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[o Ventus]

*Sigh*  Andraste's ****....I mean I actually like writing romance in my stuff.  Almost all of mys tuff has a romantic element either taking a front seat or a very serious back seat.  But usually its just an attraction and rarely is it smutt...for the sake of smut.  

Same here. My favorite fic that I've written so far is basically a romance piece between Shepard and Miranda post-ME3, but I never make it explicit or go into any weird detail about their sex lives. 

 

That's why it's a "romance" and not just word porn. They really should just create a new genre for things like 50 Shades and the weird slashfics that infest the internet. They aren't "romance" when it's 300 pages of awkwardly-described sex of questionable validity and integrity.

[Siha]

Well, yeah. Anything that isn't weird softcore porn doesn't sell because it's not as provocative and doesn't appeal to the childish fantasies of hormonal girls. If Call of Duty is the attention-grabber for boys and men age 18-35, then weird softcore porn is the female analogue for the same age group.

 

That seems about right. BUT fantasy does go pretty well after all. Or romance (even without sex), just for the lot of feelz and stuff. 

I guess, it comes down to women reading more (fan)fic than men and to that audience Cass is less appealing.

I further assume that this is why shipping Cass with another character is so popular; you still get your Varric/Cullen/Solas/whatever fic and simply put Cass instead of some generic female inquisitor. Then again, I could be all wrong.

 

*Sigh*  Andraste's ****....I mean I actually like writing romance in my stuff.  Almost all of mys tuff has a romantic element either taking a front seat or a very serious back seat.  But usually its just an attraction and rarely is it smutt...for the sake of smut.  

 

Well, you could still try to post it. I mean... go to a thread that's known for being fanfic friendly and tell them, "Hey, I wrote this about ........ It's not XYZ, but I'd be happy if there was somebody here who'd still like to read it. I would appreciate honest reviews". Worst thing to happen is no-one of them reads it. So basically same situation as before.

[AWTEW]

Yaoi only appeals to the annoying 13 year old Tumblr weebs who spend all of their time talking about how Ichigo or Sasuke or whoever bishonen character they're on about would look in skinny jeans.

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's because I'm a guy and I don't want to be even tangentially associated with people who read that garbage, but I disagree. Slashfic (as a concept) was practically invented for women.

 

Oh, if only it were simply 13 yo.Sadly, it is not. Yaoi fangirls have been around long before tumblr, and those girls are now women who still read yaoi. They just tend to stick to the most explicit versions of it..or the ones heavy on romance. Not teen yaoi.

 

Hence why Iremoved that comment, Irealised it was a stupid comment. 

[Siha]

Yaoi only appeals to the annoying 13 year old Tumblr weebs who spend all of their time talking about how Ichigo or Sasuke or whoever bishonen character they're on about would look in skinny jeans.

 
I wish you were right. But you aren't in this case. Yaoi is super popular just around the BSN and that's not 13 year olds I see go nuts about it.

[Al Foley]

Same here. My favorite fic that I've written so far is basically a romance piece between Shepard and Miranda post-ME3, but I never make it explicit or go into any weird detail about their sex lives. 

 

That's why it's a "romance" and not just word porn. They really should just create a new genre for things like 50 Shades and the weird slashfics that infest the internet. They aren't "romance" when it's 300 pages of awkwardly-described sex of questionable validity and integrity.

 

Indeed.  Shards the romance did not get going until like 30 chapters in.

That seems about right. BUT fantasy does go pretty well after all. Or romance (even without sex), just for the lot of feelz and stuff. 

I guess, it comes down to women reading more (fan)fic than men and to that audience Cass is less appealing.

I further assume that this is why shipping Cass with another character is so popular; you still get your Varric/Cullen/Solas/whatever fic and simply put Cass instead of some generic female inquisitor. Then again, I could be all wrong.

 

 

Well, you could still try to post it. I mean... go to a thread that's known for being fanfic friendly and tell them, "Hey, I wrote this about ........ It's not XYZ, but I'd be happy if there was somebody here who'd still like to read it. I would appreciate honest reviews". Worst thing to happen is no-one of them reads it. So basically same situation as before.

True.  I knock my fic around, posted it here...well in four different threads. 

[o Ventus]

 
I wish you were right. But you aren't in this case. Yaoi is super popular just around the BSN and that's not 13 year olds I see go nuts about it.

The only time I've seen Yaoi brought up on the BSN is when it's being made fun of, so I'll take your word for it.

 

Then I wouldn't know about the BSN, I stick to topics related to the actual games and the off-topic section. The only character threads I look at are this one and Sera's (and I've never seen any kind of weird porn there).

[Hunter111]

That seems about right. BUT fantasy does go pretty well after all. Or romance (even without sex), just for the lot of feelz and stuff. 
I guess, it comes down to women reading more (fan)fic than men and to that audience Cass is less appealing.
I further assume that this is why shipping Cass with another character is so popular; you still get your Varric/Cullen/Solas/whatever fic and simply put Cass instead of some generic female inquisitor. Then again, I could be all wrong.
 

TBH, I hate almost all Inky fics because you have to be a very good author to develop an original character that isn't a shameless self-insert and that I care about and have an affection for.

Whereas you can be a merely decent author, and still produce a decent Varric/Cass or Cullen/Cass fic, because those characters are already developed for you in game. You just need to move the pieces around and come up with the story.

[Al Foley]

TBH, I hate almost all Inky fics because you have to be a very good author to develop an original character that isn't a shameless self-insert and that I care about and have an affection for.

Whereas you can be a merely decent author, and still produce a decent Varric/Cass or Cullen/Cass fic, because those characters are already developed for you in game. You just need to move the pieces around and come up with the story.

I suddenly want you to read Shards.  Considering same thing happens with Shepard.  

[o Ventus]

TBH, I hate almost all Inky fics because you have to be a very good author to develop an original character that isn't a shameless self-insert and that I care about and have an affection for.

Whereas you can be a merely decent author, and still produce a decent Varric/Cass or Cullen/Cass fic, because those characters are already developed for you in game. You just need to move the pieces around and come up with the story.

I'd say you need to be better as a writer if you plan on using all established characters. I know that fic authors like to play fast and loose with established character traits.

[Siha]

The only time I've seen Yaoi brought up on the BSN is when it's being made fun of, so I'll take your word for it.
 
Then I wouldn't know about the BSN, I stick to topics related to the actual games and the off-topic section. The only character threads I look at are this one and Sera's (and I've never seen any kind of weird porn there).

 
If you care to look at the Elven Pantheon thread (and the tumblr of the women who are active there)....
Seriously, I was surprised myself, I've never understood why it's so popular, but the woman I see, who are into it, are in their (later) 20s and older.
And the Sera thread is a nice place. But it consists in big parts of men and lesbian women, so I assume Yaoi has too little audience there.
 

TBH, I hate almost all Inky fics because you have to be a very good author to develop an original character that isn't a shameless self-insert and that I care about and have an affection for.

I agree about the quality of writing required. But what is so bad about self-insert?

[Hunter111]

I'd say you need to be better as a writer if you plan on using all established characters. I know that fic authors like to play fast and loose with established character traits.

Well, yeah, most of the people on ff.net and AO3 do need to be better writers.

[Hunter111]

I agree about the quality of writing required. But what is so bad about self-insert?

For me personally? I'm a woman in my 30s and don't care much for reading about teenagers and early 20-somethings, which is what 90% of them are.

I've read a few interesting quizzies. Its not impossible. Just...rare.

[Qun00]

Did you do Cassandra's side quest at Caer Bronach yet? I don't know about this scene in particular, but I know for some of the other cut scenes for some of the other companions, you need to do their side quest to get them, irrespective of their like/dislike for you.

Not yet, no.

It's probably too late to change anything, but I'll give it a shot.

[Andres Hendrix]

Far more than that. The entire legal system is based on fundamental principles from that book, implemented by fundamentalists. Would you rather have a law system built from a religious book, that says its okay for little children to be raped?

"This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's!"


 

[o Ventus]

For me personally? I'm a woman in my 30s and don't care much for reading about teenagers and early 20-somethings, which is what 90% of them are.

I've read a few interesting quizzies. Its not impossible. Just...rare.

 

I always RP my Inquisitor as being in the same age group as Cassandra, maybe 1 or 2 years younger then she is (so 35 or 36 years old). Some of his personality traits are more or less mine (he's a bit of a sarcastic d*** with a heart of gold like I am IRL), but I try to avoid shamelessly self-inserting.

 

That said, I'd take self-inserting over the Mary Sue/Gary Stu perfect protagonists who are incapable of doing any wrong and are totally super awesome and all the other characters love them.

 

Whenever I write a piece and the main character is one of the PCs (usually Shepard, though I do plan on doing a DAI piece), I always use my canon interpretation of that character, the one I RP with. It feels strange to me to play one character and then write about another one, who is supposed to be the same (as far as name and general background go), but behaves totally different. Probably not the only one who does this though.

[Hunter111]

That's a great movie. Outstanding. Haven't watched it in years, though.

[Andres Hendrix]

That's a great movie. Outstanding. Haven't watched it in years, though.

I think more people need to watch it, if not the movie, the play. Or at least just watch that one scene. XD lol

[Hunter111]

I always RP my Inquisitor as being in the same age group as Cassandra, maybe 1 or 2 years younger then she is (so 35 or 36 years old). Some of his personality traits are more or less mine (he's a bit of a sarcastic d*** with a heart of gold like I am IRL), but I try to avoid shamelessly self-inserting.
 
That said, I'd take self-inserting over the Mary Sue/Gary Stu perfect protagonists who are incapable of doing any wrong and are totally super awesome and all the other characters love them.
 
Whenever I write a piece and the main character is one of the PCs (usually Shepard, though I do plan on doing a DAI piece), I always use my canon interpretation of that character, the one I RP with. It feels strange to me to play one character and then write about another one, who is supposed to be the same (as far as name and general background go), but behaves totally different. Probably not the only one who does this though.

I've never read your fic, but in general, if you're 18 or 19, even if you're making your Inquisitor 38 or 39, chances are you don't have the mentality and life experiences of a 38 or 39 year old, and therefore can't write an entirely convincing 38 or 39 year old.

So even though technically I'm not reading about a teenager, I still am, in the sense that a lot of the reactions and world views are of a younger person.

There's a reason they tell beginning writers to write what they know.

Again, is that true for every author and every fic? No. But a lot.

Although now that I think about it, I'd actually read a well-written fic about a 19 year old Quizzy having a May-Uh....September romance with Cass, if the author could make it believable.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Huh never heard of it. Just seems most people read but do not review. But...I am very greedy. lol. I want reviews but when someone reviews they go: I like it and I am like: Lovely, WHAT did you like, DETAILS man.

I have invites for Ao3, if you want one.

[o Ventus]

I've never read your fic, but in general, if you're 18 or 19, even if you're making your Inquisitor 38 or 39, chances are you don't have the mentality and life experiences of a 38 or 39 year old, and therefore can't write an entirely convincing 38 or 39 year old.

So even though technically I'm not reading about a teenager, I still am, in the sense that a lot of the reactions and world views are of a younger person.

There's a reason they tell beginning writers to write what they know.

Again, is that true for every author and every fic? No. But a lot.

Although now that I think about it, I'd actually read a well-written fic about a 19 year old Quizzy having a May-Uh....September romance with Cass, if the author could make it believable.

 

The mentality one has isn't determined by how old they are (it's certainly influenced by their age, but age is not the sole deciding factor). One does not need to be something to be able to portray that something. On paper, anyway. On screen or on audio, it's a bit of a prerequisite to actually be the age of the character, or at least close enough to look or sound like them.

 

If we locked it down to "well, I'm a straight, white, 35 year old male who's been working in a cubicle for the past decade, so I should only write about that", we'd be losing out on a great deal of valuable art and potential insight on different subjects. A younger person's outsider perspective can be just as valuable as a veteran's (arguably more so in certain situations, since it's less likely that the younger person would be as jaded or disillusioned as the older person).

 

Of course, that's not to discount the experienced people and their view on things. I value them just as much and appreciate what they have to say as well.

 

It also helps that I have a vocabulary that includes words longer than 5 or 6 letters, unlike most people my age, so I can at least pass as smart. One of the more common bits of praise I've seen for my pieces is that I don't "dumb down" (for lack of a better term) the writing with caveman language. Like, I don't purposely use big words to be pretentious, but I don't write under the assumption that the reader is a 5-year old. Indubitably and impeccably.

 

I've actually been mistaken for being older than I actually am from my writings, but I just laugh those comments off.

 

edit: what is AO3?

[Hunter111]

Right, and I see you may have taken my comments personally, which wasn't my intention. My apologies. Certainly a lot of great literature was written by people who didn't necessarily share the life experiences of their characters.

Just from my perspective as a fanfic consumer, it is often easy to tell who has experienced "X" and who hasn't when authors try to write about them. But I'm not saying there aren't exceptions.

And AO3 is a site for hosting fanfic that, in my opinion, is better than ff.net.

[o Ventus]

Right, and I see you may have taken my comments personally

No, just making a statement and offering my opinion.

 

Just from my perspective as a fanfic consumer, it is often easy to tell who has experienced "X" and who hasn't when authors try to write about them. But I'm not saying there aren't exceptions.

 

I will concede this though. I don't read many other fanfics, but I do acknowledge that a lot of them are written by people "pretending" (for lack of a better term). 50 Shades, for example. I've never engaged in BDSM, but by all accounts I've seen and heard from people who do, that trash is a gross misrepresentation of what BDSM actually is.

[Merela]

TBH, I hate almost all Inky fics because you have to be a very good author to develop an original character that isn't a shameless self-insert and that I care about and have an affection for.

Whereas you can be a merely decent author, and still produce a decent Varric/Cass or Cullen/Cass fic, because those characters are already developed for you in game. You just need to move the pieces around and come up with the story.

 

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that. How is making already established character to act OOC a way to produce "decent" fics?

[Siha]

I will concede this though. I don't read many other fanfics, but I do acknowledge that a lot of them are written by people "pretending" (for lack of a better term).

 
Why don't you link your fic now? Hunter asked about new Cass fic earlier (if I don't confuse her with someone else now) and maybe you can surprise her. You do seem to write well from what I've gathered in this thread, though I never saw work of yours.
 

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that. How is making already established character to act OOC a way to produce "decent" fics?

 
She means, I assume, that the reader already has expectations of the character, so the writer does not work so hard to flesh him/her out. Also, the writer does not actually need to create a living, breathing being from his own imagination, this job was done for him already.

[Merela]

 
Why don't you link your fic now? Hunter asked about new Cass fic earlier (if I don't confuse her with someone else now) and maybe you can surprise her. You do seem to write well from what I've gathered in this thread, though I never saw work of yours.

 

Yes, I would like to read it too!

 

 

 
She means, I assume, that the reader already has expectations of the character, so the writer does not work so hard to flesh him/her out. Also, the writer does not actually need to create a living breathing, being from his own imagination, this job was done for him already.

 

But he has a job to be faithful to the original content made by Bioware, does he not? Or else the characters are not the ones from the game but OCs with the same face and the same name.