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[Obvious_Shining]

[Br3admax]

Just thinking about those immature twerpy teenager terrorists blowing up that beautiful murder machine is depressing as ****

*_* it was so pretty

It was a pointless waste of resources that served literally no purpose. The rebels did Palpatine a favor. Too bad he was too stupid to learn his lesson. 

[o Ventus]

The original Death Star was hilariously inefficient as a weapon anyway. It could only fire the planet-killing shots, what, every 24 hours? Plus it could only fire at really big targets, like planets or asteroids. And yet, in less than 2 years, the second Death Star was able to cut that time down to every 3 minutes, because science, and could shoot at much smaller targets.

 

The Empire kind of s**t the bed with the first Death Star, but they amped up on the second one. Too bad they kind of s**t the bed again by building a single shield generator and not eliminating the ewoks and never bothering to issue camouflaged armor to the troops stationed on Endor.

 

How Palpatine managed to take the position of Supreme Chancellor and NOT colossally **** up Order 66 is beyond me.

[Merela]

 

 

Spoiler

[Master Warder Z_]

It was a pointless waste of resources that served literally no purpose. The rebels did Palpatine a favor. Too bad he was too stupid to learn his lesson.

It was a mobile fortress, super weapon and flagship.

Beyond it's obvious immense military applications, you have the obvious psychological implications as well.

Rebels that would gladly die for their cause would be horrified that their actions might warrant the destruction of their world.

The Tarkin doctrine wasn't inaccurate.

[Master Warder Z_]

The original Death Star was hilariously inefficient as a weapon anyway. It could only fire the planet-killing shots, what, every 24 hours?

19 hours for the hyper matter reactors to provide sufficient charge.

That's a planet ****** note, it could still fire shots that would vaporize seas or destroy any ship in the galaxies.

Also the original could fire at targets as small as capital ships.

[AWTEW]

*shrugs*

Could be Krem....

I hereby dub this ship cremkst, and it shall be da best otp ever

[Br3admax]

It was a mobile fortress, super weapon and flagship.

Because the Empire didn't already have several of all of those things. 

Beyond it's obvious immense military applications, you have the obvious psychological implications as well.

The ones that inspired a rebellion?

 

 

Rebels that would gladly die for their cause would be horrified that their actions might warrant the destruction of their world.

Dude, really? Alderaan was blown up and they still attacked the Death Star, specifically because it could destroy their planets. 

The Tarkin doctrine wasn't inaccurate

 

It was incredibly inaccurate. That's why it backfired. Twice. He should have spent that money consolidating control over the empire and building his entire galactic navy. Not one moon-sized space station. Twice. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I mean the Death Star negated the need for massive fleets of warships needed for a base delta zero.

It could act independently and without support.

In premise it's ingenious.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I hereby dub this ship cremkst, and it shall be da best otp ever

 

She just wants some of the creme de la creme.....   

[o Ventus]

19 hours for the hyper matter reactors to provide sufficient charge.

That's a planet ****** note, it could still fire shots that would vaporize seas or destroy any ship in the galaxies.

Also the original could fire at targets as small as capital ships.

19 hours is still once a day, unless the Emperor literally never sleeps or can issue the kill orders while unconscious.

 

And anything called the "Death Star" that can't withstand simple fighters isn't deserving of the name. It's turbolasers have worse accuracy than the Stormtroopers do in the movies. At least the Stormtroopers managed to kill a few rebels. Vader and the TIE fighter pilots racked up the most kills during the final battle in episode 4.

[Master Warder Z_]

It was incredibly inaccurate.

It removed the chief financial infrastructure of the rebellion and removed a political dissenting voice from the Empire.

That it led to some suicidal attack from the remnants of the rebellion isn't proof the doctrine is flawed.

You had zealots attacking that had attacked it before it was even complete because they knew it was a game changer.

[Master Warder Z_]

19 hours is still once a day, unless the Emperor literally never sleeps

Well actually...

[o Ventus]

It removed the chief financial infrastructure of the rebellion and removed a political dissenting voice from the Empire.

That it led to some suicidal attack from the remnants of the rebellion isn't proof the doctrine is flawed.

You had zealots attacking that had attacked it before it was even complete because they knew it was a game changer.

 

It was also destroyed later on by 1 man in a starfighter. A force-sensitive Jedi-to-be, but still 1 man up against the high amount of turbolasers, enemy TIE fighters, and Vader himself.

 

Also, "suicidal"? The rebellion was still in full swing by the end of episode 4 and really only in danger of failing after the battle of Hoth (where there was no Death Star to worry about), and that was fixed in episode 6 when the Empire became incompetent again.

[Br3admax]

I mean the Death Star negated the need for massive fleets of warships needed for a base delta zero.

Except it obviously didn't...

It could act independently and without support.

In premise it's ingenious.

It could not act independently without a fleet. It solved no problems, 

 

It removed the chief financial infrastructure of the rebellion and removed a political dissenting voice from the Empire.

And made a ton more.

That it led to some suicidal attack from the remnants of the rebellion isn't proof the doctrine is flawed.

"The remnants of the rebellion." Ooookay, son. If "the remnants of the rebellion" can destroy your "independent" giant space station, what is the point in having it? And it's not like it had to be Luke that did it. It would have happened regardless. 

You had zealots attacking that had attacked it before it was even complete because they knew it was a game changer.

I don't think you're supporting your argument here. 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

I'll need more then "it's not this way" in terms of rebuttal please note in the future.

Firstly.

Independence of the fleet.

It housed it's own work force, staff and garrisons, it's personal were independent of the regular navy, it provided for them on it's own on board stores, it housed it's own space going forces and even planetary forces.

It didn't require replenishment for upwards of half of a solar year.

Second: the aftermath of Alderean.

The collective display of the power of the empire actually discouraged several future member states of the rebel alliance from joining including but not limited to Corellia, Mon Calamari and the Hapes Cluster.

Mon Calamar later donated those pretty capital ships you see in episode 6 for those who aren't versed in the EU.

Third: closing arguments.

The Death Star ultimately was a victim of plot nesscity and not poor design or planning. Some of the greatest minds in the galaxy designed it and created it.

It had flaws but it wasn't poorly designed or implementated.

In truth if you want to look at a poorly designed super weapon look upon the Hutt Cartels doomed "Darksaber" which was based upon the Death Star.

[Master Warder Z_]

I have a penchant for Star Wars ^.^

[Kinsz]

Speaking of what Cass would do to Bela if she'd met her makes me wonder of what she'd do to Solas if she'll find out what he did.

Cass did threaten to execute Solas when they first met because she thought he may have been involved with the breach somehow, now though after traveling together they have deep respect for each other so who knows.

[Master Warder Z_]

I like to think Cassandra kills monsters.

[Kinsz]

I like to think Cassandra kills monsters.

Solas is a special kinda monster though

[Master Warder Z_]

Solas is a special kinda monster though

He needs to die

[The Elder King]

I like to think Cassandra kills monsters.

Do you think he's one for whatever he is or for what he did?  

He needs to die

Well, Regardless if he should die or not I prefer to know before everything he knows about Old Gods and elven Gods.

[Master Warder Z_]

Do you think he's one for whatever he is or for what he did?

Both.

[Andres Hendrix]

Cass did threaten to execute Solas when they first met because she thought he may have been involved with the breach somehow, now though after traveling together they have deep respect for each other so who knows.

There was a joke in game with Solas where you can ask him, who didn't Cassandra threaten to kill concerning the breach. XD



"Please don't put me on the rack Lady Cassandra."

Cassandra: "You're a talking cat, cat + talking = magic of some kind, magic of some kind caused the breach...You're going on the rack! Justinia FTW!!!

[Kinsz]

He needs to die

Maybe, he might yet turn out to be one of the good guys though I never got the feeling that he was evil. Yes he fucked up by giving the orb to Corypheus but is he anymore guilty of the disaster that ensued than Varric's lady friend Bianca for example.