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[Wolfen09]

One of the reasons I enjoy RPGs and Bioware RPGs in particular is that I do not need to play a man.

Assasins' Creed, the Witcher, Farcry, BioShock, Grand Theft Auto series, The Walking Dead (though I hear you play a woman in S2), Dishonored, and Batman series are all games I enjoy, but the main character is a man and only a man.

BioWare games don't only let me play a woman, but a queer woman. Having a queer woman as the main character is awesome and is something I don't get out of the majority of games, books, films, comics, etc. It's one of the biggest reasons I'm a fan of BioWare's games and one of the things I look forward to when I play.

As for Cassandra specifically being bisexual, it would please me greatly, but I'm not as devoted her as Ailith is. Cassandra is Ailith's favorite and I know a number of other lesbians who are keeping their fingers crossed.

 

as far as assassin's creed is concerned, there has been one female protagonist, Assassin's creed liberation had one, though it was for the psp or vita (dont remember), but it has since been released on the 360 (dont know about the other consoles or computers though).  And If  you count bioshock infinite, elizabeth is kind of the main protagonist.  As for the rest of the games, it would be interesting to see a possible female protagonist, but sometimes the developers want to tell a specific story and a female protagonist might not be a part of that.

[Who Knows]

You play as a preteen girl in Walking Dead Season 2.

 

 

 

but sometimes the developers want to tell a specific story and a female protagonist might not be a part of that.

It isn't coincidental or accidental that the majority of the "specific" stories have male protagonists.

[Maria Caliban]

Elizibeth being a major character with impact on the plot doesn't make her a protagonist. She literally does nothing but wait for you to rescue her from the tower, you control Booker throughout the game, and the story itself is based around his sins and redemption.

Being cute, following you around, and tossing you ammo does not a main character make.

[Eudaemonium]

It isn't coincidental or accidental that the majority of the "specific" stories have male protagonists.

 

I think this is a point that often gets elided in defences of these games' narratives. The problem is not that the devs want to tell a "specific story" (whatever that even means, since any story is a specific story) but that nearly every "specific story" is about a usually white and always heterosexual male. There are cultural reasons why this has become the default "specific story" and it has very little to do with the developers' creative freedom and far more to do with systems of oppression and representation that dominate in our society (sexism, racism, homophobia, etc). I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this is something that's always bugged me about this form of defence.

[drome34]

I think this is a point that often gets elided in defences of these games' narratives. The problem is not that the devs want to tell a "specific story" (whatever that even means, since any story is a specific story) but that nearly every "specific story" is about a usually white and always heterosexual male. There are cultural reasons why this has become the default "specific story" and it has very little to do with the developers' creative freedom and far more to do with systems of oppression and representation that dominate in our society (sexism, racism, homophobia, etc). I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this is something that's always bugged me about this form of defence.

Why dont you diveristy people ever realise that anyone who does something usually does it for profit, not for diversity or whatever. Profit drives everything, including why stories are usually white male here in the west. I bet in Japan they dont have white male protagonists in a majority of their stories etc. I could be wrong, but it seems logical that in different parts of the world where the main consumers are different, then so would the product. Oh wait, im not wrong. Its the way of the world. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The most likely scenario is that the companion romances break down as follows:

 

2 straight

2 bisexual

2 gay

 

The gay companions have already been cofirmed - Sera and Dorian. My instincts tell me that the straight companions will be Cullen and Cassandra.

 

Bisexual? hmm..... I would say Vivienne and either Solas or Iron Bull.

Um, Cullen is an adviser, not a companion. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Its pretty clear she just likes Cass, and wants to play a female Inquisitor.

 

Can't fault her for that.

Thank you for answering. I was just curious what she was saying no to but she decided to be cheeky(her word, not mine).

[The Elder King]

I still think that with the race gating we'll get more then 6 romances overall.

[WildOrchid]

Kind of tangential, but I would argue that the main protagonist of Bioshock Infinite is Elizabeth and that Booker is just along for the ride. I get what you're saying, though,

 

And Ellie is the main protagonist of Last of Us... Maria was talking about playable characters and in both Bioshock and Last of Us, we played a dude (except the latter, there were scenes were we played as Ellie, and having her own DLC).

 

 

Edit: i forgot the Burial at Sea dlc as well.

[Zandilar]

Why dont you diveristy people ever realise that anyone who does something usually does it for profit, not for diversity or whatever. Profit drives everything, including why stories are usually white male here in the west. I bet in Japan they dont have white male protagonists in a majority of their stories etc. I could be wrong, but it seems logical that in different parts of the world where the main consumers are different, then so would the product. Oh wait, im not wrong. Its the way of the world. 

 

Bioware is not hurting for including male and female protagonists in their games, and they've been doing it for years now. I really don't think it's hurt their profits one bit.

[SnakeCode]

Bioware is not hurting for including male and female protagonists in their games, and they've been doing it for years now. I really don't think it's hurt their profits one bit.

I think you missed his/her point. S/he's saying that the main reason you usually see a straight white male character (the horror!) as the protagonist in video games is because it's a tried and tested formula and it makes money. It's the "safe" option, if you will. 

 

Game developers aren't sat around saying "Right, time to make a new game. Let's make sure we continue to oppress and not represent, women, different races and the LGBT community."

 

Unfortunately we don't yet live in a world where a game starring a transgendered lesbian of colour can thrive and sell as well as the exact same game starring a straight dude.

 

I'd say devs are far more concerned about not going under than representing everyone. It's still considered a big risk to go beyond what we normally see in games, i'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that it just is.

[Exaltation]

Isn't this Cassandra thread? lol

[azarhal]

Isn't this Cassandra thread? lol

 

It is...but people rarely talks about the character themselves in their own thread. They are talked about in other character threads.  Which means you need to bring another character in the discussion like, hmm, let say Dorian.

 

So what kind of relationship will Cassandra have with the spirit and death Tevinter Magister mage?

[Milan92]

Since he is a necromancer; she might be fascinated by that because of her culture, though it could also give her the creeps. Also, Dorian is said to be charming and having sharp wit - which is something Cass can probably get along with. 

[ParagonPunk]

I think Cassandra is the kind of person who could co-operate with almost anyone if they're fighting for the same thing. She doesn't have to be friends with them because she's not there to make friends; she's there to restore order.

 

That's what I think at least.

[MrDbow]

Cassandra will definitely be my perma-squadmate through my first playthrough of DA:I.  It's all about personal choice of course, but some characters in books, films, games you just "click" with; for me I "click" with Cassandra. 

 

Just posting to show support

 

[Ailith Tycane]

The fact that Elizabeth and Ellie were both the real main characters of both of those games and the devs still felt it was necessary to have the player be a man actually just goes to show the original problem.

 

Those games both could have been just as amazing if they had allowed players to just BE Elizabeth or Ellie, and I think you can see they somewhat realized their mistake because they both included DLC where you could play as Elizabeth and Ellie that did very well, especially the Last of Us DLC. Again though, that should have just been the default when the games first came out. The Naughty Dogs Devs had to fight tooth and nail just to get the publishers to agree that Ellie should be featured on the cover of the game...

[jtav]

I'm rooting for Cassandra to be available to both because she seems fairly grounded and mature, if hot tempered. An idealist but not a fool. I'm a straight woman, but what I really want is a LI I can imagine a future with, who I'm not going to babysit, who doesn't visit taverns at all hours, and isn't going to treat me like crap. Who has a clear opinion on how the world should be. And I'd really rather play a woman because of the VA.

[In Exile]

The fact that Elizabeth and Ellie were both the real main characters of both of those games and the devs still felt it was necessary to have the player be a man actually just goes to show the original problem.

 

Those games both could have been just as amazing if they had allowed players to just BE Elizabeth or Ellie, and I think you can see they somewhat realized their mistake because they both included DLC where you could play as Elizabeth and Ellie that did very well, especially the Last of Us DLC. Again though, that should have just been the default when the games first came out. The Naughty Dogs Devs had to fight tooth and nail just to get the publishers to agree that Ellie should be featured on the cover of the game...

It's kind of like FFXII, which as I understand it had a Asche (I think that was her name) as the  apparent lead of the story, but still chose to make the player a male. I actually dropped that game pretty early on because it just bothered me to play what amounted to a lackey instead of the actual protagonist. 

[Maria Caliban]

(Bioshock Infinite spoilers below)
 
Elizabeth's character evolves over the course of the game. The naive girl whom you first encounter in the tower is a far cry from the Elizabeth who accompanies you to the drowning. The game is as much about Elizabeth trying to break the cycle of expolitation and abuse as it is Booker gaining personal redemption.

Morrigan's character changes throughout the DA:O. That doesn't make her the main character of DA:O. It's not unusual for important characters to experience character growth within a work of fiction, yet I don't think anyone considers Mr. Darcy the protagonist of Pride and Prejudice or Darth Vader the protagonist of the original Star Wars films.

It's not impossible. Varric is the viewpoint character for DA II but Hawke is the protagonist. The Great Gatspy is narrated by Nick Carraway, but some have argued that he's just a frame for the real main character.
 

One of Irrational's lead designers (Amanda Jeffrey) spoke on the matter a while back:
  
Lastly, the series ends with Booker relegated to a foonote, and the player taking direct control of Elizabeth in Burial at Sea 2.
 
Far from being the "cute," glorified ammo dispenser that you make her out to be, she is in fact shown to be responsible for setting in motion the events of the original Bioshock.

Leliana was the main character of Leliana's Song. That doesn't make her the main character of DA:O.

In BioShock Infinate, you play a man named Booker. The game is centered on his efforts to free a young woman, escape a dying city, and find personal redemption. That makes him the protagonist of the game.

[In Exile]

Why dont you diveristy people ever realise that anyone who does something usually does it for profit, not for diversity or whatever. Profit drives everything, including why stories are usually white male here in the west. I bet in Japan they dont have white male protagonists in a majority of their stories etc. I could be wrong, but it seems logical that in different parts of the world where the main consumers are different, then so would the product. Oh wait, im not wrong. Its the way of the world.

Actually, lots of anime have what is actually a white person as the main. Mostly because they set a bunch of their stories in basically Europe. Like how JE had an Asian PC. Not a majority, but way, way more than western media has an Asian lead.

[Dean_the_Young]

Actually, lots of anime have what is actually a white person as the main. Mostly because they set a bunch of their stories in basically Europe. Like how JE had an Asian PC. Not a majority, but way, way more than western media has an Asian lead.

 

Even the ones that aren't and are set in Japan can be disturbingly white and European.