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[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Actually, lots of anime have what is actually a white person as the main. Mostly because they set a bunch of their stories in basically Europe. Like how JE had an Asian PC. Not a majority, but way, way more than western media has an Asian lead.

 

Even the ones that aren't and are set in Japan can be disturbingly white and European.

 

I love how Yugioh Abridged made a joke about that.

 

Yami: "I give you our sexy ancient Egyptian ancestors."

Kaiba: "Why are they white?"

Yami: "What?"

Kaiba: "I mean, they are Egyptian, right? Why are they white?"

Yami: "Why would you choose to focus on that?"

Kaiba: "And for that matter, aren't we supposed to be Asian? Why are we white?"

Yami: "Kaiba, stop activating the race card and listen." 

[Clockwork_Wings]

I wanna like that title so much!

[Dean_the_Young]

I love how Yugioh Abridged made a joke about that.

 

Yami: "I give you our sexy ancient Egyptian ancestors."

Kaiba: "Why are they white?"

Yami: "What?"

Kaiba: "I mean, they are Egyptian, right? Why are they white?"

Yami: "Why would you choose to focus on that?"

Kaiba: "And for that matter, aren't we supposed to be Asian? Why are we white?"

Yami: "Kaiba, stop activating the race card and listen." 

 

You laugh, but it can be pretty disconcerting. I had a haircut from an asian woman not to long ago, and she told me that where she was from I would have been considered very attractive and how people would try to dye their hair or try to alter their skin to look more like me.

 

It was incredibly awkward, not only because I'm not used to being called attractive but because I felt like a huge racist even though I didn't do anything.

[Maria Caliban]

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[Eveangaline]

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[Urazz]

In Exile, I agree with you about FFXII, though if we are to pretty much keep things the same without changing things too much, then Basch would be more likely the main character followed by Ashe and Balthier.

 

Vaan, felt like he was just a tag-along character along with his little girlfriend Penelo.  I really didn't see those two really contribute much of anything to the plot truth be told.

 

As it stands, I don't think DA:I will have that problem with any character being pretty much useless to the plot.  While some, like Cole, are optional, I still think they are all going to contribute something to the plot in some fashion.

[Who Knows]

I'm pretty sure it matters who the player controls even if another character technically has more story importance.

[In Exile]

I'm pretty sure it matters who the player controls even if another character technically has more story importance.

 

I think a lot of players want to be the character who has more story importance. 

[Who Knows]

I think a lot of players want to be the character who has more story importance. 

Sure. And if that character is female, why are so many developers NOT using them as the playable character? Because of biases.

[In Exile]

Sure. And if that character is female, why are so many developers NOT using them as the playable character? Because of biases.

 

Oh, I totally agree with you on that point. I only meant to say that if the plot-central character is a woman then she should be the player character, not some random slob who happens to tag along with her. 

[Ailith Tycane]

Oh, I totally agree with you on that point. I only meant to say that if the plot-central character is a woman then she should be the player character, not some random slob who happens to tag along with her. 

 

This was my main problem with the inclusion of Regalyan in DOTS. It felt like he was just thrown in for the sake of making sure Cassandra didn't have to carry the film herself, even though she was entirely capable. It was just contrived and meh. The token "beard" if you will. 

[In Exile]

This was my main problem with the inclusion of Regalyan in DOTS. It felt like he was just thrown in for the sake of making sure Cassandra didn't have to carry the film herself, even though she was entirely capable. It was just contrived and meh. The token "beard" if you will. 

 

He was the dude she chaste kissed, right? He was basically the comic relief side-kick without the comic relief. 

[Joe25]

Sure. And if that character is female, why are so many developers NOT using them as the playable character? Because of biases.

For starts DA stresses female importance since day one. The Chantery is governed by women. Women even in today do not govern any religion, and those who do are made to feel unwelcomed. Meredith, Anora, Elthina, Marethari all female power houses. And in DAI you have Cass and Vivienne to add to the list. How can a woman not feel important in this game when the world is built on powerful women.     

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He was the dude she chaste kissed, right? He was basically the comic relief side-kick without the comic relief. 

He served a plot purpose. Cassandra's interactions with him changed her opinions on mages. She used to think they were all like the blood mages that killed her brother, but now she sees more shades of grey. 

[In Exile]

For starts DA stresses female importance since day one. The Chantery is governed by women. Women even in today do not govern any religion, and those who do are made to feel unwelcomed. Meredith, Anora, Elthina, Marethari all female power houses. And in DAI you have Cass and Vivienne to add to the list. How can a woman not feel important in this game when the world is built on powerful women.     

 

DA does that... in theory. In practice, we don't really see these supposed powerful women. Anora isn't even powerful in-game - she's a damsel in distress at first, then she sells you out at the first sign of trouble, then she (pitifully) tries to bargain with you to give her some political power. Elthina is paralyzed, and Marethari is kind of incompetent. 

DA has actually good and complex female characters - Aveline, Morrigan, Leliana - but the setting doesn't live up to its promise in terms of female NPCs. 

[Wolfen09]

Sure. And if that character is female, why are so many developers NOT using them as the playable character? Because of biases.

 

You call it biases, most people call it marketing.  The ratio of female to male gamers is atrocious, its more business smarts marketing to the bigger consumer than focusing on a minority.  I dont agree with it, but if people want their games to sell, they got to go with what has been working for them and that shows up as unintended biases.

[In Exile]

You call it biases, most people call it marketing.  The ratio of female to male gamers is atrocious, its more business smarts marketing to the bigger consumer than focusing on a minority.  I dont agree with it, but if people want their games to sell, they got to go with what has been working for them and that shows up as unintended biases.

 

And yet Tomb Raider managed just fine without having us play Lara's sidekick Lars Crofter. 

[KC_Prototype]

The word no does not answer any of my questions. 

It never does. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can we drop the "Women Protagonists in Gaming" discussion please? It has nothing to do with Cassandra. 

[KC_Prototype]

One of the reasons I enjoy RPGs and Bioware RPGs in particular is that I do not need to play a man.

Assasins' Creed, the Witcher, Farcry, BioShock, Grand Theft Auto series, The Walking Dead (though I hear you play a woman in S2), Dishonored, and Batman series are all games I enjoy, but the main character is a man and only a man.

BioWare games don't only let me play a woman, but a queer woman. Having a queer woman as the main character is awesome and is something I don't get out of the majority of games, books, films, comics, etc. It's one of the biggest reasons I'm a fan of BioWare's games and one of the things I look forward to when I play.

As for Cassandra specifically being bisexual, it would please me greatly, but I'm not as devoted her as Ailith is. Cassandra is Ailith's favorite and I know a number of other lesbians who are keeping their fingers crossed.

Can't fault you that but all those games have great protagonists regardless of gender.

[Ailith Tycane]

You call it biases, most people call it marketing.  The ratio of female to male gamers is atrocious, its more business smarts marketing to the bigger consumer than focusing on a minority.  I dont agree with it, but if people want their games to sell, they got to go with what has been working for them and that shows up as unintended biases.

 

No. No no no. 

 

There is a difference between causation and correlation, and it's not an accident that female lead video games don't sell as well, and it's not because there is no interest or demand, it's because they don't get as much money for marketing, because of sexism in the industry and society as a whole. You can't disguise it as "marketing." and ignore the sexism involved. 

[Joe25]

And yet Tomb Raider managed just fine without having us play Lara's sidekick Lars Crofter. 

Well I'm sure if Lars backside was as lager as Lara's front the story would be different.  

[KC_Prototype]

1) Neither Scribbles nor Vivienne is Cassandra. (Nor is Sera, for that matter.)

2) I don't play male characters because I don't really relate all that well to them. It would not be the same romancing Cassandra with a character I won't like as much (male!quizzy).

And I feel the same way about Sera's romance.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

No. No no no. 
 
There is a difference between causation and correlation, and it's not an accident that female lead video games don't sell as well, and it's not because there is no interest or demand, it's because they don't get as much money for marketing, because of sexism in the industry and society as a whole. You can't disguise it as "marketing." and ignore the sexism involved.

Metroid, Portal and Tomb Raider have done well, and Bioware isn't exactly hemmorhaging funds, either. Nothing wrong with having female leads. Women at the very least, should have proportional representation. Could it be that there are more male gamers because games are made by male developers with a male audience in mind? Talk about selection bias! To those who don't get that logic, try this: I'd rather stare at a girls butt for 40 hours than a guy's.

[KC_Prototype]

The fact that Elizabeth and Ellie were both the real main characters of both of those games and the devs still felt it was necessary to have the player be a man actually just goes to show the original problem.

 

Those games both could have been just as amazing if they had allowed players to just BE Elizabeth or Ellie, and I think you can see they somewhat realized their mistake because they both included DLC where you could play as Elizabeth and Ellie that did very well, especially the Last of Us DLC. Again though, that should have just been the default when the games first came out. The Naughty Dogs Devs had to fight tooth and nail just to get the publishers to agree that Ellie should be featured on the cover of the game...

I can feel for for and I understand women fought all those years for equality. But I feel the story made most since for the PC to Joel and Booker. But for The Last of Us I feel the sequel should have Ellie as the protagonist just how like The Walking Dead past the torch from Lee to Clementine.