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[Maria Caliban]

In Mass Effect I always wanted to use Commander Privilages to turn down the thermostate to a nice, chill 50 F. That would have improved the scenery of ME2's Normandy to my liking.

I would die.

You'd find my frozen body curled up near a radiator.

[Alan Rickman]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

 

I'm more than fine with it. What puzzles me though is while that is extremely common, the few times you come across the same phenomenon but with gay characters, it's more or less always met with vociferous hate.

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I am crushed by not being able to romance Cassandra as a female Inquisitor, but I've never used mods to bypass gender restrictions on romances, and even if it were available in DA:I I wouldn't use it...because I want to play as a woman and experience romances written for female characters as a woman, and mods can't change that.

 

I definitely don't blame others who have used them in the past, though, and I don't think feeling disenfranchised as a player who wants a homosexual romance option is comparable to someone creating a mod to make a character "prettier" by making them lighter skinned.

Perhaps, but a straight player who isn't disenfranchised creating a mod to make someone bisexual definitely is.

 

 

I'm more than fine with it. What puzzles me though is while that is extremely common, the few times you come across the same phenomenon but with gay characters, it's more or less always met with vociferous hate.

Because, while the former has no real-life counterpart, the latter is darkly reminiscent of attempts to cure gays IRL. Also, there are too few gay characters as it is.

[Dean_the_Young]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

 

It amuses me and I generally ignore it if I find the premise aggrevating (like bitter, hated rival yaoi), but then I'm not much into fandom these days. The shipping wars of my childhood series were amusing. I could never take the vast majority of them seriously when most shipping is people taking two characters who may or may not have the most superficial of interactions, and then make them kiss like Ken dolls.

 

About the only same-sex shipping I ever though made perfect sense even in the context of its series was Kingdom Hearts. I totally saw a love triangle of sorts at play between the two boys (Sora and Riku) and the girl (Kairi), but not in terms of fighting over the girl. But it was more in the framework of adolescense and coming of age and insecurities of losing close friends and such.

[Master Shiori]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

I don't mind them personally. The only thing that can put me off fan fiction is bad writing or a bad case of characters acting out of character. Same goes for fan art, minus the part about writing.

[Ianamus]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

 

That's a good question. 

 

I don't know. If I saw an image of Dorian making out with a woman or Sera with a man I wouldn't be particularly impressed, but I am guilty of enjoying slash fanfiction of presumably straight characters in other media, so... 

 

I suppose the difference is that in shows or games with no "canon" homosexual or bisexal character or where the characters are ambiguous it is more acceptable, as it allows people who like that kind of thing to find extra enjoyment in media that otherwise does not provide that for them. In the more ambiguous cases or shows with a lot of homoerotic subtext it's even expected. 

 

But when it is a series like Dragon age where there are  characters of all orientations it's more of a case of 'If you want to draw two women together or write about a female couple why not use the companion who is a lesbian?'. In those instances I'm not sure I would approve of such fanart or fanfiction. It reminds me a bit of the white-washed Vivienne images. 

[Dean_the_Young]

In this case, I'll agree with you. Not about drama or anime or fan fiction, none of which I've seen (floating in a bubble of social obliviousness in high school had its upsides), but on your last paragraph; while polyamory does specifically interest me, I definitely want it to be about "everyone loves each other;" that seems to be the only way it's healthy or sensical.

 

I once knew a close group of friends that tried open loving between them.

 

Then there was a disagreement, sex (and the withholding of it) was used as a weapon, the availability of other partners suddenly became an issue, and it burned in flames.

 

I would die.

You'd find my frozen body curled up near a radiator.

I wear a blouse to work as part of the dress code. Long sleeves suck during the summer, but during the winter I didn't even bother to wear gloves and a winter jacket until it was almost already snowing.

 

Then again, in high school I would walk to school in short sleeves when it was in the 40s, and that was in a place with 90% humidity and regular winds. 

[The Elder King]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

I don't see a problem with it.

[Sylvianus]

So because a very small percentage of people are racist homophobes or just pining for one specific character, nobody should get things like difficulty overhauls, custom specializations, reskinned weapons or utility mods?

 

Ok.

 

, I'm just not sure why I should feel bad if people can't mod and why I shouldn't hope that. I'm dealing with my own griefs, why they should less matter ? We have people without mods, all those players on console, they are fine, you'll live too and you'll deal with some important things in the game. It appears much more acceptable to me, to be honest.

[Maria Caliban]

I find it difficult to see an image like this as the same as a white-washed Vivienne or Isabela mod.

Fantasizing about a female character you like being attracted to you is not the same as fantasizing about a female character being of a different race.

I wear a blouse to work as part of the dress code. Long sleeves suck during the summer, but during the winter I didn't even bother to wear gloves and a winter jacket until it was almost already snowing.

Then again, in high school I would walk to school in short sleeves when it was in the 40s, and that was in a place with 90% humidity and regular winds.

As I noted in another thread, I haven't seen snow for a couple of years. I've acclimated to the heat here so well, my blood is literally thinner than it was.

[RobRam10]

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[Xilizhra]

I once knew a close group of friends that tried open loving between them.

 

Then there was a disagreement, sex (and the withholding of it) was used as a weapon, the availability of other partners suddenly became an issue, and it burned in flames.

Well, then, let's just hope part of the PC package includes emotional maturity.

[Alan Rickman]

 

Because, while the former has no real-life counterpart, the latter is darkly reminiscent of attempts to cure gays IRL.

 

I feel it comes down to presentation, and that it is a very tricky and sensitive subject to get right. I do feel it's possible to write a gay character in an unlikely scenario where there's an attraction and even a relationship with someone of the opposite sex without it coming across as the author "curing" the gay character, it's just difficult.

 

I've been toying around with an idea where several years post-ME3, a friendship between a male Shepard and Traynor unexpectedly develops into something more, much to both of their confusion. I've just decided to not actually ever write it because I know it would receive such hate.

 

Granted, I, myself am not gay.

[Ianamus]

I find it difficult to see an image like this as the same as a white-washed Vivienne or Isabela mod.

Fantasizing about a female character you like being attracted to you is not the same as fantasizing about a female character being of a different race.

 

Would you feel the same way if it was an image of Sera with a male Inquisitor?

 

I agree it is probably harmless for the most part, but I can't agree with it on principle. I wouldn't say that fantasizing about a pale Vivienne is wrong either, but drawing images of it and posting them on the forums is just asking for trouble. 

[ParagonPunk]

How do you guys feel about fan fiction and fan art with same-sex pairings for straight characters?

 

It is what it is; Fan fiction. I see no harm in it as long as the writer/artist is respectful towards the character they are writing/drawing.

Isabela "pretty" mods insinuate that white skin is preferable to dark skin. Which is infuriating.

 

Edit: So as long as fan fiction and fan art isn't saying one sexuality is better that the other then it's fine.

[Tenebrae]

I find it difficult to see an image like this as the same as a white-washed Vivienne or Isabela mod.

Fantasizing about a female character you like being attracted to you is not the same as fantasizing about a female character being of a different race.

 

Ethnicity, race is a misnomer.

[Xilizhra]

I feel it comes down to presentation, and that it is a very tricky and sensitive subject to get right. I do feel it's possible to write a gay character in an unlikely scenario where there's an attraction and even a relationship with someone of the opposite sex without it coming across as the author "curing" the gay character, it's just difficult.

 

I've been toying around with an idea where several years post-ME3, a friendship between a male Shepard and Traynor unexpectedly develops into something more, much to both of their confusion. I've just decided to not actually ever write it because I know it would receive such hate.

It's like shooting apples off of someone's head with a shotgun: certainly possible, but I would never recommend anyone try it.

 

 

It is what it is; Fan fiction. I see no harm in it as long as the writer/artist is respectful towards the character they are writing/drawing.

 

Isabela "pretty" mods insinuate that white skin is preferable to dark skin. Which is infuriating.

And in my mind, utterly baffling, because facial features matter far more than skin tone to me, and mods like that just make them look like albino black people.

[Sporothrix]

I feel it comes down to presentation, and that it is a very tricky and sensitive subject to get right. I do feel it's possible to write a gay character in an unlikely scenario where there's an attraction and even a relationship with someone of the opposite sex without it coming across as the author "curing" the gay character, it's just difficult.

 

I've been toying around with an idea where several years post-ME3, a friendship between a male Shepard and Traynor unexpectedly develops into something more, much to both of their confusion. I've just decided to not actually ever write it because I know it would receive such hate.

 

It's actually a scenario that is used very often in movies and TV shows, but only for lesbian characters, not gay men. For example, since the end of last year, recently 6th TV show introduced "lesbian sleeping with a man" trope. Overall I think it happened to majority of all lesbian characters that weren't in shows or movies specifically catered to lesbians.

[syllogi]

 

But when it is a series like Dragon age where there are  characters of all orientations it's more of a case of 'If you want to draw two women together or write about a female couple why not use the companion who is a lesbian?'. In those instances I'm not sure I would approve of such fanart or fanfiction. It reminds me a bit of the white-washed Vivienne images. 

 

The answer would be because even if someone is of the "correct" sexual orientation, it doesn't mean that I'm necessarily attracted to them.  I drew FemShep/Miranda fanart because Miranda was the only character in ME2 I wanted as a love interest, and I couldn't have that.  It was more like wishful thinking, or a tribute to what could have been, in my mind.

 

I'm really not seeing how that's comparable to art that whitewashes a black character.

[azarhal]

That's a good question. 

 

I don't know. If I saw an image of Dorian making out with a woman

 

I've seen a fan art of Cassandra making out with Dorian, sorta.

 

In retrospect, it was both hilarious and fortunetelling because the premise of the cartoon was "What if Cassandra is straight and Dorian is gay?!!" (it was done before either were confirmed and Dorian was officially Dorian) with Dorian teaching Cassandra, GoT style, how to please the Inquisitor.

[Ziggy]

Would you feel the same way if it was an image of Sera with a male Inquisitor?

 

I agree it is probably harmless for the most part, but I can't agree with it on principle. I wouldn't say that fantasizing about a pale Vivienne is wrong either, but drawing images of it and posting them on the forums is just asking for trouble. 

 

The difference is this:

 

Making a lesbian character be into your male pc doesn't necessarily imply that you have anything against their homosexuality, just that you like that character

 

But making a black character white does imply that you have a problem with their blackness, and that is not ok and should not be promoted through modding/fanfic/fanart etc.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, then, let's just hope part of the PC package includes emotional maturity.

If telling a story about some random people you knew going through a relationship fail indicates the dynamic is doomed inherently, I can't say monogamy is looking to be a great foundation, either. 

[Tenebrae]

The answer would be because even if someone is of the "correct" sexual orientation, it doesn't mean that I'm necessarily attracted to them.  I drew FemShep/Miranda fanart because Miranda was the only character in ME2 I wanted as a love interest, and I couldn't have that.  It was more like wishful thinking, or a tribute to what could have been, in my mind.

 

I'm really not seeing how that's comparable to art that whitewashes a black character.

 

Objectively Its just modification therefor all mods are the same, finding it offensive or not is a matter of personal perspective and a quite redundant one at that, people will keep making these mods if they want to, and they wont stop just because a certain group finds it offensive.

 

Mods will appear like it or not, we always find a way, it may take us longer then it did on DA II but we will get there...hell if we finally found a way of modding Bloodlines then we can mod anything ( i am talking about modding in general not a specific type of mod).

[Xilizhra]

The difference is this:

 

Making a lesbian character be into your male pc doesn't necessarily imply that you have anything against their homosexuality, just that you like that character

 

But making a black character white does imply that you have a problem with their blackness, and that is not ok and should not be promoted through modding/fanfic/fanart etc.

I don't really see that following. How is modding someone in a way that makes you feel that they're more attractive, different from modding them to be more available? Hell, the latter might be worse, as the former doesn't actually change anyone's character.

[Milan92]

I don't feel this is exactly character assassination

 

 

Lies! Isabela would never wear pants!