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[Morroian]

At the end of a 50+ hour game, yes there is.

 

Plus with a probable 4 year wait until the next game, needless to say I agree, I hate cliffhangers where the resolution is a long time away, its cheap and needless.

[HiroVoid]

Yeah, agree that they should have announced her (and Cullen's) orientations right from the start. Needlessly allowing people to get their hopes up only made the decision hit harder later on. Bioware definitely could of handled it better.

Yeah.  While I agree I would have rather had the confirmations earlier, I wish they would have done it sooner before all the hopes, fanart, communities sharing hopes, etc. was all gathered up.  I know that ultimately romances are a only a small part of the game with a lot of the devs saying so as well, but its still basically where the biggest amount of conect from the fan community goes to.

[Allan Schumacher]

Again, I just wish they they had announced she was straight when they announced her as a LI, would have probably saved a lot of pain. When Sera was revealed as a lesbian she had just barely been revealed as a companion and a LI, so it's not like the same expectations where there, the reveal was immediate.

 

It's important to remember the context by which she was announced too.  Now you could argue that it wasn't well thought out on our part, but I don't think (I'm not in marketing) that our plan was to announce that stuff then.  I don't think it's a surprise that of the two that were announced at that PAX, one was pretty much already confirmed by an enthusiastic voice actor a few days earlier.  I view it more as a reaction reveal, but maybe I'm just biased towards my friends/coworkers (which I likely am).

 

Admittedly I didn't really see it as something that would get a group of individuals more hopeful than they already were (I know Cass as a f/f pairing was already coming up), so maybe others did too?  Sure it's an example of me perhaps being somewhat daft/blind to it all (whoops) and failing in having perspective.  So yeah, maybe it was the wrong person to choose from who was known at the time.  It's pretty clear that some felt we were dragging them along, unfortunately.

[SnakeCode]

Yeah.  While I agree I would have rather had the confirmations earlier, I wish they would have done it sooner before all the hopes, fanart, communities sharing hopes, etc. was all gathered up.  I know that ultimately romances are a only a small part of the game with a lot of the devs saying so as well, but its still basically where the biggest amount of conect from the fan community goes to.

Agreed, although to an extent I don't think the disappointment could have been avoided. I think Cass and Cullen were always going to hit harder than most though, due to being returning characters. People have been pining after Cass since DA2, and for those who have wanted a Cullen romance, even longer. 

[Ailith Tycane]

It's important to remember the context by which she was announced too.  Now you could argue that it wasn't well thought out on our part, but I don't think (I'm not in marketing) that our plan was to announce that stuff then.  I don't think it's a surprise that of the two that were announced at that PAX, one was pretty much already confirmed by an enthusiastic voice actor a few days earlier.  I view it more as a reaction reveal, but maybe I'm just biased towards my friends/coworkers (which I likely am).

 

Admittedly I didn't really see it as something that would get a group of individuals more hopeful than they already were (I know Cass as a f/f pairing was already coming up), so maybe others did too?  Sure it's an example of me perhaps being somewhat daft/blind to it all (whoops) and failing in having perspective.  So yeah, maybe it was the wrong person to choose from who was known at the time.  It's pretty clear that some felt we were dragging them along, unfortunately.

 

Well more than just your guys' poor choice of timing for her orientation reveal, I mostly just wish you had made her bi, but alas, haha. 

 

I don't think you guys were intentionally leading anyone on, but unfortunately that's what happened with a lot of people, so I understand why some people are as upset and angry as they are right now. That being said, no one can foresee the future or whether groups of people will react positively or negatively to a character. It's just...Ugh. 

[aaarcher86]

 
Sure it's an example of me perhaps being somewhat daft/blind to it all (whoops) .

"Ya daft t*t" - Sera

[In Exile]

Nothing wrong with a cliff-hanger ending.

 

A cliff-hanger ending is unsatisfying. It doesn't provide any resolution, and it makes the journey feel incomplete. It would be like ending the game halfway through. 

[aaarcher86]

The flip side of this coin is that BW also can't formulate marketing around the fan desires and hopes.

I think it's a rough row to hoe on both ends.

[Lady Nuggins]

All I want is for Bioware to offer players like me an attractive androgynous/butch woman to romance as a woman, and I really wanted that to be Cassandra. Also as people have said there's the fact that she plays a much more major role to the game, and the DA series in general. I'm really not sure why Bioware has this trend of their "leading ladies" always being straight, I'd really like to know if it's intentional or just coincidental, because it's happened in literally all of their games up to this point. 

 

I've been trying to examine why I'm still so broken up about Cass being straight, and I think this is it.  We've never really gotten an androgynous female LI for women before.  She's a particular "type" that really appeals to me, that we've never seen as a romance option for female players.  

[azarhal]

 

All I want is for Bioware to offer players like me an attractive androgynous/butch woman to romance as a woman, and I really wanted that to be Cassandra. Also as people have said there's the fact that she plays a much more major role to the game, and the DA series in general. I'm really not sure why Bioware has this trend of their "leading ladies" always being straight, I'd really like to know if it's intentional or just coincidental, because it's happened in literally all of their games up to this point. 

 

Technically, not all their games. Jade Empire story lead is Silkfox and she is bisexual. I think deep down they just can't avoid the "straight male first" perspective, especially when the majority of the leads are males and probably mostly straights. It's just always at the back of their mind even if they don't think about it. Romance is not even where this show up the most, although the DA games are much better at it than the ME trilogy is.

 

I do think the writers have issues moving outside certain comfort/design zone (not sure how to call it) regarding character and even romance I guess. You always end up seeing quite similar characters in every of their games and that goes across series.

[Urazz]

I think those pissed off at Cassandra being straight (it seems likely) shouldn't have gotten their hopes up to the point that they got upset over it.  Was I disappointed that Sera was a lesbian so that my male elf in a future playthrough wouldn't be able to romance here?  Yes, but I didn't get pissed over it and luckily I'm flexible so that male elf playthrough will be a female elf playthrough now.

[Ailith Tycane]

I've been trying to examine why I'm still so broken up about Cass being straight, and I think this is it.  We've never really gotten an androgynous female LI for women before.  She's a particular "type" that really appeals to me, that we've never seen as a romance option for female players.  

 

She is absolutely my type, that's one reason why it sucks.

 

To be honest this cycle has happened to me before and it generally ends happily. For Mass Effect I was sad Ashley was unavailable, but enjoyed Liara's romance a lot throughout the entire series. In DAO I was dissapointed Morrigan wasn't available, but ended up liking Leliana way more anyway. This time around I don't doubt Scribbles or Sera will be fun romances for me. Hell who knows, Bioware might even manage to write a straight male romance I really enjoy (That isn't voiced by Carth please, sweet Jesus please...) but since my preference for women is way stronger I doubt it. But even in those past instances, the disappointment wasn't this pronounced. I'm not sure what's so different this time, I just really wanted Cass. 

[Ailith Tycane]

I think those pissed off at Cassandra being straight (it seems likely) shouldn't have gotten their hopes up to the point that they got upset over it.  Was I disappointed that Sera was a lesbian so that my male elf in a future playthrough wouldn't be able to romance here?  Yes, but I didn't get pissed over it and luckily I'm flexible so that male elf playthrough will be a female elf playthrough now.

 

Well then you're lucky you can have that kind of flexibility.

 

I've been playing video games since I was 2 years old and am now into my 20's and am at a point where I can barely stand to play any male characters in a video game anymore. The fact that we have come so far in regards to graphics and technical innovation and the default settings for characters is still buzzed head white male just makes me unhappy and angry in a lot of ways for a lot of different reasons. 

 

Also as I said before, Seras orientation was revealed basically at the same time as her reveal in general, so you and people like you didn't have months of swooning to get over, haha. 

[In Exile]

I've been trying to examine why I'm still so broken up about Cass being straight, and I think this is it.  We've never really gotten an androgynous female LI for women before.  She's a particular "type" that really appeals to me, that we've never seen as a romance option for female players.  

 

We've also never gotten an androgynous male LI. Though I would not say that Cass is at all androgynous. 

[ToxicNightshade]

Did anyone have a problem with Cass possibly being bi? I don't recall so.

 

Both sides practically begged for Cass to be romancable to them. I'm positive everyone at Bioware was aware of how popular she was.

 

With Cassandra being a well known figure by now, and clearly playing a big role in the story, I really think she should have been the exception to this 2/2/2/2 or whatever rule taking place.

 

And the fact that ALL of the female/female romances in bioware games all have the same types of characters is really getting annoying. If I have to see one more freaking Rogue-type character be the lesbian I'm gonna scream.

 

I've been playing video games since I was 2 years old and am now into my 20's and am at a point where I can barely stand to play any male characters in a video game anymore. The fact that we have come so far in regards to graphics and technical innovation and the default settings for characters is still buzzed head white male just makes me unhappy and angry in a lot of ways for a lot of different reasons. 

 

 Also, this.

 

I cannot play male characters in RPGs. I've tried, but I get bored and end up not having fun. It's why I've been unable to play the Witcher series (also because I simply don't like Gerralt as a character).

[In Exile]

And the fact that ALL of the female/female romances in bioware games all have the same types of characters is really getting annoying. If I have to see one more freaking Rogue-type character be the lesbian I'm gonna scream.

 

To be fair, aside from Sera we never had a lesbian rogue character. Isabella and Leliana were both bi. 

[Ailith Tycane]

To be fair, aside from Sera we never had a lesbian rogue character. Isabella and Leliana were both bi. 

 

We've never had a lesbian character period. 

[ToxicNightshade]

To be fair, aside from Sera we never had a lesbian rogue character. Isabella and Leliana were both bi. 

 

The point is that, if you played a female character, and you wanted to romance a female character, your only options were some type of rogue or some times of mage. Every. TIme.

[SnakeCode]

To be fair, I don't think there's been a female warrior LI for straight gamers before Cass either.

[TheJediSaint]

The point is that, if you played a female character, and you wanted to romance a female character, your only options were some type of rogue or some times of mage. Every. TIme.

 

Just curious, but what does class have to do with this?

[aaarcher86]

To be fair, I don't think there's been a female warrior LI for straight gamers before Cass either.

Yeah, no female warrior one way or the other.

[Gwydden]

Also as I said before, Sera's orientation was revealed basically at the same time as her reveal in general, so you and people like you didn't have months of swooning to get over, haha. 

I'm more than willing to make a trade 

 

I doubt the people at BioWare would approve, though 

 

Just curious, but what does class have to do with this?

Haven't you heard about ye mighty warrior fetish?

 

Not that I want to get judgemental. My favorite female characters for each game happen to be rogues. Pretty sure it's just a coincidence, or rather, BioWare keeping the rogues more along the lines of the sort of stuff I like.

[Larask]

 

Admittedly I didn't really see it as something that would get a group of individuals more hopeful than they already were (I know Cass as a f/f pairing was already coming up), so maybe others did too?  Sure it's an example of me perhaps being somewhat daft/blind to it all (whoops) and failing in having perspective.  So yeah, maybe it was the wrong person to choose from who was known at the time.  It's pretty clear that some felt we were dragging them along, unfortunately.

 Agreed but while I can see how this may not have been planned it is hard to imagine that the marketing team (or others in BioWare) wouldn't know that it would upset quite a few people when they chose to hold the orientation information away when they were so clear with Sera, Dorian and Josephine.