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With multiple races, having all "playersexual" romances would be incredibly expensive (in terms of cinematic design and writing). Read Allan Schumacher's OP on the official romance thread.
I've read it. Doesn't mean I can't keep being a wishful thinker.
After this disappointment I think I am firmly back into the playersexual companions camp, haha
I personally was always flying that banner. To me it always felt like the "best" solution (if such a thing even exists).
While I didn't feel quite as upset when it was announced that there were going to be gender locked romances or when Sera and Dorian were revealed, I was still kinda saddened by it. The reveals for Cullen and Cass (mostly Cass) really, really bummed me out.
I'm still confident I'll like DAI, but I know that if I do, it won't be as much as it could have been.
We've never had a lesbian character period.
Juhani does count, as invisible as she was in the end. Though in DA, yes, she is the only lesbian.
I've read it. Doesn't mean I can't keep being a wishful thinker.
Fair enough, but wishing that some of us had FEWER options (admittedly just what I personally inferred from your previous statement) doesn't seem fair to me at all.
The point is that, if you played a female character, and you wanted to romance a female character, your only options were some type of rogue or some times of mage. Every. TIme.
That's true, but that's not the same as saying all the lesbians were rogues. To be fair, though, Cassandra is the first romanceable female warrior in all of Dragon Age. No one ever had the option to romance a female warrior before her, regardless of orientation.
Juhani does count, as invisible as she was in the end. Though in DA, yes, she is the only lesbian.
No she doesn't. I played KOTOR multiple times and I never knew she was a "romance" until years and years later, and I'm not the only one.
That's true, but that's not the same as saying all the lesbians were rogues. To be fair, though, Cassandra is the first romanceable female warrior in all of Dragon Age. No one ever had the option to romance a female warrior before her, regardless of orientation.
You know what I'm dreading now, post release. Some of the people who are sad now will go and try the Cassandra romance with a guy and will come to the conclusion that there was no real reasons to make Cassandra's straight beside writer's fantasies and will complain about it...a lot.
This already happened with Morrigan. I recall one particular poster's very elaborate theory on why Morrigan had to be a lesbian, because something something her past relationship with men. Edit: It happens with Alistair. It will happen with everyone, straight or gay.
The basic reality is that for any character, there'll never be a particular necessary reason for them to be a certain orientation other than the fact that, for whatever reason, their writer felt/believed they should be that orientation.
Well a persons sexual orientation doesn't define who they are as a person. As far as fiction is concerned you could probably realistically swap characters sexualities and never deviate from what's potentially possible in real life anyway. Everyone is so varied, there isn't one type of straight guy or gay guy, etc etc.
I've been trying to examine why I'm still so broken up about Cass being straight, and I think this is it. We've never really gotten an androgynous female LI for women before. She's a particular "type" that really appeals to me, that we've never seen as a romance option for female players.
It is funny though because I definitely don't consider Cass to be androgynous. I look at her and pretty clearly see a woman. I don't know if there's some bias there though.
No she doesn't. I played KOTOR multiple times and I never knew she was a "romance" until years and years later, and I'm not the only one.
LucasArts forced them to remove a great deal of content. Regardless, Bioware's intention was for her to be a lesbian, there are parts of that content still left in game (which, if you approach it with foreknowledge, you can see), and she was a confirmed lesbian within Star Wars cannon (in fact, I believe she is the first lesbian character).
It was executed in an absolutely horrid way, but she still counts as a lesbian character for Bioware, despite their eventual surrender to their corporate overlords.
Which to me just means it would have made more sense for them to have made her bi, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do.Maybe next game I'll be able to have what I really wanted, but for now, meh. I may not even romance anyone during my first playthrough.
I don't see why making her bi would have made more sense than making her a lesbian. I understand the accessibility argument. I have no idea why they invested resources in Josephine and not Cassandra. There may be some particular reason for it that we'll see in-game.
My guess, though, is that it comes down to the writer.
I hope that for DA4 the marketing department and writing staff keeps who is available to who a complete mystery until release. That way people can get to find out by actually playing the game. I know I'm probably in the minority, but I sure would get a kick out of it.
Lol actually at times I wouldn't mind this. Some folk just seem to get too caught up in the romance aspect of the game they tend to block/ignore the greater picture. Feels like Dragon Age is becoming a dating simulator at times, honestly! 
Back to the Cass reveal, I get that some female players are disappointed but really we're not being ignored/forgotten about as a whole. Sera female romance only, Scribbles bi option and I'm prob forgetting someone I'm not keeping track of this as well as others here. Bioware is waaaaaaaaaay ahead of other companies in how they cater for the LGBT community. I for one am very grateful to them for creating so many great story experiences with past characters be it the DA universe or ME that were gay friendly. For years we had NOTHING, now we are getting somewhere and folk are still complaining. It's true you really can't please everyone.
I'm still not really excited about any of the potential LI's in the game, I was disappointed that Leliana wasn't available to me but I'm still going to enjoy the game regardless. The romance aspect of Bioware games, I do enjoy them but having certain characters available to me not available to me this isn't a deal breaker. There is more to these games than that.
Juhani does count...
Regardless, Bioware's intention was for her to be a lesbian, there are parts of that content still left in game (which, if you approach it with foreknowledge, you can see), and she was a confirmed lesbian within Star Wars cannon (in fact, I believe she is the first lesbian character).
Well a persons sexual orientation doesn't define who they are as a person. As far as fiction is concerned you could probably realistically swap characters sexualities and never deviate from what's potentially possible in real life anyway. Everyone is so varied, there isn't one type of straight guy or gay guy, etc etc.
Right. That's what I mean. The fact that a person has a particular sexual orientation is kind of like they fact that someone has dark hair. The colour of my hair doesn't define me any more than the fact that I like women (and some men).
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It is funny though because I definitely don't consider Cass to be androgynous. I look at her and pretty clearly see a woman. I don't know if there's some bias there though.
^^^ This.
Just because she has short hair doesn't make her androgynous ...
I disagree.
I appreciate that BioWare intended to include a lesbian character, but if I play through the game and am never aware she's a lesbian, that doesn't have much meaning to me. If I play through the game specifically attempting to romance her and am unable to get any romantic lines, I'm calling that a fail.
It's cool there's a youtube video where someone managed to trigger them, but I'm not setting the bar that low.
Fair enough. I appreciate your perspective, and I do understand where you're coming from.
I've never enjoyed any male LI's from Bioware either.
She wont be. Ever.
Unless Bioware is massively trolling us, she is 100% straight.
Like I said before, I already did this crushing on straight girls thing in high school Bioware, why are you making me feel these feels again? Hahaha
Yes, my bad. I should have said "there's no chance they will make Cass bisexual."
so... hmm... sorry that I bring that up to you
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Quick question which has probably already been asked a million times (apologies in advance for that): is Cassandra only romanceable by a noble Inquisitor, or can you be a mage/rogue? I was getting conflicting reports amid the flurry of info yesterday.
^^^ This.
Just because she has short hair doesn't make her androgynous ...
Just because she's recognizable as female doesn't mean she's not androgynous/butch also.
Agreed but while I can see how this may not have been planned it is hard to imagine that the marketing team (or others in BioWare) wouldn't know that it would upset quite a few people when they chose to hold the orientation information away when they were so clear with Sera, Dorian and Josephine.
I do have a predisposition in assuming ignorance over malevolence. Speaking personally, I know a lot of us were pretty stoked that our first confirmed orientations were Sera and Dorian. I thought that that was a pretty cool beat. It gets lost if we reveal Cullen and Cassandra's when they were announced, and may even have people feeling that the gay romances were second fiddle to those two because they were announced so much later.
You know what I'm dreading now, post release. Some of the people who are sad now will go and try the Cassandra romance with a guy and will come to the conclusion that there was no real reasons to make Cassandra's straight beside writer's fantasies and will complain about it...a lot.
Inevitable. Though I think it's a wash... you'll get people that think that about Sera, Dorian and so forth. Any character that they'd like to romance. You'll get it for some that aren't even available to romance by anyone.
I agree with the sentiment that Juhani doesn't really count either.
Quick question which has probably already been asked a million times (apologies in advance for that): is Cassandra only romanceable by a noble Inquisitor, or can you be a mage/rogue? I was getting conflicting reports amid the flurry of info yesterday.
Her sexuality was locked down a long time ago. BioWare isn't going to change it this late in development because so much work has already gone into her. Writing and cinematic design are both expensive.
Yes, I know. Part of me think Devs are doing the right thing by carrying out their own concepts to the end, 'cause while making ME3 they heard many fans' feedbacks, but in the end they still can't satisfy all the fans, even didn't have enough time to implement some of their own brilliant ideas into the game.
So like I said, they know what they are doing this time. 
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If your criteria for butch is 'can be mistaken for a man' then Dragon Age has no butch women ....
I suppose that is my criteria for what I consider "butch," then.
Just because she's recognizable as female doesn't mean she's not androgynous/butch also.
I have to confess I'm having a hard time with the androgyny part (I totally see the butch). The fact that you can see feminine features, I agree, can't be enough to say that someone is not androgynous (after all, part of androgyny by definition is a mix of masculine and feminine traits). But one can have enough visible feminine (as opposed to masculine) features that one doesn't look androgynous.
And to me, Cassandra does not really have masculine features. Like I said, I can see the butch characterization because of her class and her haircut (and, I should add, the scar). I don't see what features to point to for androgyny. I suppose her jaw, being more defined? But there are many women that don't look androgynous that have similarly strong jaws.
Dumbledore is not gay.
If I can't open up the books and see the gayness, it doesn't count. I don't care what the writers, editors, or actors way.
If the audience cannot see it, it does not exist.
That's a good analogy. Point conceded.
If you look at the other women in the Inquisition - Vivienne, Sera, Josiphine, Leliana - Cassandra is comfortably butch.
If your criteria for butch is 'can be mistaken for a man' then Dragon Age has no butch women because all women have the same body time, which is visually distinct from all the men of the same species. They also all have the same sashay walk, which I'd argue is out of place on Cassandra.
Cassandra's features aren't what I would consider butch, even compared to the other female characters. The word that comes to my mind is practical. She doesn't have anything more than what is necessary for her to do her job.
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