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Cassandra's features aren't what I would consider butch, even compared to the other female characters.  The word that comes to my mind is practical.  She doesn't have anything more than what is necessary for her to do her job.

 

Butch is about physical presentation, though. Haircut, make-up, clothes, etc. That's what can make one more or less butch, not just facial structure. 



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I can't believe I'm still this upset she's straight. I don't think I'm gonna get over this, haha.

 

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It was a poor choice that Bioware made, to be sure.



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I can't believe I'm still this upset she's straight. I don't think I'm gonna get over this, haha.

Cheer up? :( 

 

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Cheer up? :(

 

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Wrath is frequently more useful for eliciting change.



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I can't believe I'm still this upset she's straight. I don't think I'm gonna get over this, haha.

 

 

You and me both, heh.

 

*hugs and fist bumps*

 

Right now, I just want them to release the game so I can play it and get it all out of my system.


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It was a poor choice that Bioware made, to be sure.

 

Why?


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It was a poor choice that Bioware made, to be sure.

 

Why was it a "poor choice"? That implies that Cassandra's character is somehow lessened by her being straight. A person is defined by more than just their sexuality. And who knows, maybe the friendship with Cassandra will be really rewarding.

 

Lots of people opted out of romancing Morrigan and instead chose the friend route. They usually speak pretty highly of it.


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Wrath is frequently more useful for eliciting change.

 

Absolutely, but Ailith is super cool and I want her to cheer up. 

 

I'm happy to join in on any wrath-appropriate move if it would help, but right now I'm in the frown-upside-down business. 


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I can't believe I'm still this upset she's straight. I don't think I'm gonna get over this, haha.

 

 

I find baby sloths to be good therapy for a wounded heart.


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Why?

Boning the gay fanbase that had been clearly evident since DA2. And don't try to claim that Bioware had written Cassandra as straight in DA2 either; her sexual orientation never had any sort of relevance.



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It was a poor choice that Bioware made, to be sure.

 

in the same way that making Sera a lesbian was a poor choice - it wasn't.


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Why was it a "poor choice"? That implies that Cassandra's character is somehow lessened by her being straight. A person is defined by more than just their sexuality. And who knows, maybe the friendship with Cassandra will be really rewarding.

 

Lots of people opted out of romancing Morrigan and instead chose the friend route. They usually speak pretty highly of it.

 

It's a poor choice because Cassandra had a substantial fanbase of women who wanted to romance her, women to get their hopes up about the romance, who for IRL reasons would have really appreciated that romance, and who in the end were essentially dismissed (regardless of whether Bioware did it in a nice way). 

 

Whether or not friendship was rewarding, the fact that Cassandra was such a hot ticket item - especially since DA2, where she built up this fanbase - is what makes this a poor choice by Bioware.

 

The same with Cullen, actually, and his M/M fanbase.  


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Boning the gay fanbase that had been clearly evident since DA2. And don't try to claim that Bioware had written Cassandra as straight in DA2 either; her sexual orientation never had any sort of relevance.

 

There's basically one situation where we see a bit of a difference and that's in the line she uses for Hawke depending on gender if you pick the duel with the Arishok or not, but the people who cling to that as proof are like the people who look to Ander's talking about women in DA2 as proof he wasn't super into dudes. 



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Boning the gay fanbase that had been clearly evident since DA2. And don't try to claim that Bioware had written Cassandra as straight in DA2 either; her sexual orientation never had any sort of relevance.

 

I would never make that claim because I agree. However, sometime after DA2 Gaider (or Hepler) decided that she was straight.



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Boning the gay fanbase that had been clearly evident since DA2. And don't try to claim that Bioware had written Cassandra as straight in DA2 either; her sexual orientation never had any sort of relevance.

 

They also hadn't written her as gay in DA2, either. Her sexuality wasn't at issue.

 

Saying that Bioware "boned the gay fanbase" is just a tad over the top.


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There's basically one situation where we see a bit of a difference and that's in the line she uses for Hawke depending on gender if you pick the duel with the Arishok or not, but the people who cling to that as proof are like the people who look to Ander's talking about women in DA2 as proof he wasn't super into dudes. 

Worse, as it's not even anything Cassandra says.

 

 

I would never make that claim because I agree. However, sometime after DA2 Gaider (or Hepler) decided that she was straight.

They had every right to do so. I have every right to make my opinion known, and I will continue this for an indefinite time period.



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It's a poor choice because Cassandra had a substantial fanbase of women who wanted to romance her, women to get their hopes up about the romance, who for IRL reasons would have really appreciated that romance, and who in the end were essentially dismissed (regardless of whether Bioware did it in a nice way). 

 

Whether or not friendship was rewarding, the fact that Cassandra was such a hot ticket item - especially since DA2, where she built up this fanbase - is what makes this a poor choice by Bioware.

 

The same with Cullen, actually, and his M/M fanbase.  

 

I'm not sure if a characters' sexuality should be dictated by their popularity.


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I'm not sure if a characters' sexuality should be dictated by their popularity.

It's going to be dictated by the whim of writers either way; popularity is just one form of artistic stimulus. One that matters to many people, conveniently enough.



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Why was it a "poor choice"? That implies that Cassandra's character is somehow lessened by her being straight. A person is defined by more than just their sexuality. And who knows, maybe the friendship with Cassandra will be really rewarding.

 

Yup and it's kinda insulting to say if she was gay somehow she'd be far more interesting, this is silly.


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I'll bring up a DA:O example.

Leliana is slim and slender. She has a graceful dancer's body. Morrigan even notes that she could be mistaken 'for a boy.'

Morrigan is voluptuous and has a pleasantly curvy figure.

But they have EXACTLY THE SAME BODY.

If I have to go only by what's on screen, Dragon Age: Origins has no fat women, no women with sagging breasts, no skinny women, no muscular women, and no short or tall women. All human women come in exactly one shape. There's even a joke comic about Wynne that's based around this.

So when we're talking about how Cassandra is butch, we're probably filling in a bunch of details. The way she walks and moves is probably not feminine. She is probably more muscular than the average woman. If she were wearing suit of armor, it would be easy to mistake her for a short man at a distance because short (human) men exist, even if you never see them in game.
 

Butch is about physical presentation, though. Haircut, make-up, clothes, etc. That's what can make one more or less butch, not just facial structure.


Right. Most butch women can be quite femme if they put on a dress, make-up, and heels, and carry a purse.

Though you sometimes have to remind them to put their knees together.
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"Until the lion has his historian, the hunter will always be the hero."

 

Clearly this just means I need to be a writer for Bioware or another gaming company in the future so I can be the one making the kind of content I desperately miss in games. Wanna see my pathetically short resume Bioware? lol.


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Yup and it's kinda insulting to say if she was gay somehow she'd be far more interesting, this is silly.

 

Thumbs up for that, and the fact that I really like your BSN profile pic. Almost as good as the Nicolas Cage/Solas one that I came across.


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So when we're talking about how Cassandra is butch, we're probably filling in a bunch of details. The way she walks and moves is probably not feminine. She is probably more muscular than the average woman. If she were wearing suit of armor, it would be easy to mistake her for a short man at a distance because short (human) men exist, even if you never see them in game.

 

Also I would like to point out that her character traits are traditionally masculine. I'm not condoning heteronormative character stereotypes about whats male and whats female behavior, but generally being seen as a headstrong, opinionated, aggressive leader are all "male" traits, and these are all traits Cassandra seems to have an overabundance of. 


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I'll bring up a DA:O example.

Leliana is slim and slender. She has a graceful dancer's body. Morrigan even notes that she could be mistaken 'for a boy.'

Morrigan is voluptuous and has a pleasantly curvy figure.

But they have EXACTLY THE SAME BODY.

If I have to go only by what's on screen, Dragon Age: Origins has no fat women, no women with sagging breasts, no skinny women, no muscular women, and no short or tall women. All human women come in exactly one shape. There's even a joke comic about Wynne that's based around this.

So when we're talking about how Cassandra is butch, we're probably filling in a bunch of details. The way she walks and moves is probably not feminine. She is probably more muscular than the average woman. If she were wearing suit of armor, it would be easy to mistake her for a short man at a distance because short (human) men exist, even if you never see them in game.

 

Interestingly, we do know that in DA:I characters are getting unique models. So at least Cassandra's build - obscured though it may be by her armour - may well be indicative of her physique. In the same way that Anders in DA2 was actually much slimmer than the beefcake baseline body for everyone else.