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The Chantry's been nothing but unpleasant to the Dalish; I see no reason why my Inquisitor would want to bring Cassandra back into that. At least Leliana in Origins was a heretic who didn't seem that fond of the Chantry.
And you don't think people like Cass and Leliana would want some things to change?
I beg to differ. Miranda in Mass effect strongly believed what Cerberus was doing was an good cause, however, she didn't thought twice before quitting and giving them the finger when she realized they were douches hiding behind good intentions.
Well, perhaps DAI will give us the chance to explore that particular avenue in regards to the Chantry. Some people are bad in the Chantry, yes, but I'm hardly gonna write off the entire organization.
Can't wait to see this arc in Cass. Really excited to see her character develop. I personally would like to help her strengthen her faith, cause it seems to be such a large part of who she is.
She broke ties with the royal family to go serve in an entirely foreign country. That sort of dedication deserves to be rewarded.
Hopefully, the Inquisitor will be able to do something that proves to her none of it was in vain.
And you don't think people like Cass and Leliana would want some things to change?
Indeed. Just because they support the Chantry doesn't mean that those two aren't open to more progressive ideas for the organization.
And you don't think people like Cass and Leliana would want some things to change?
I'm not going to support any religion that claims exclusivity of worship.
I wonder if a pro-Order Inquisitor could restore her faith.
Hopefully it's not tied to that. The Templar Order has split from the Chantry. While I support mage circles, I don't want them led by the Chantry.
Hopefully it's not tied to that. The Templar Order has split from the Chantry. While I support mage circles, I don't want them led by the Chantry.
He meant Order as in: Agent of Order or Agent of Change/Chaos. Not referring to the Templars.
(I think)
But you support the Dalish?
The Dalish never claimed that the Creators were the only gods.
As far as I'm aware, the Dalish religion doesn't command followers to proselytize to the ends of the earth, let alone through violence.
The Dalish never claimed that the Creators were the only gods.
You have to worship the Elven Pantheon or you're no allowed to join them.
You have to worship the Elven Pantheon or you're no allowed to join them.
Do you? I think they'd let atheists join. Andrastians are more problematic, because a declaration of allegiance to the Chantry is a declaration of opposition to all other faiths. In addition to the whole history of imprisoning mages.
He meant Order as in: Agent of Order or Agent of Change/Chaos. Not referring to the Templars.
(I think)
Yes. Some time back, there was some twitter posts hinting that the dichotomy in DAI would be between supporting Order and Stability or Change and Revolution; or something to that effect, I can't find the threat right now.
I'm hoping a Pro-Order Inquisitor will be able to restore Cass' faith.
Do you? I think they'd let atheists join. Andrastians are more problematic, because a declaration of allegiance to the Chantry is a declaration of opposition to all other faiths. In addition to the whole history of imprisoning mages.
And how do letting atheists join hurt my point? Since atheists don't believe in gods, they have nobody to say there are other gods anyway, so they still have exclusivity of worship.
Besides that, I've never seen a Dalish that talks also not mention the Creators at least once.
You have to worship the Elven Pantheon or you're no allowed to join them.
What is your evidence of that? They take on a lot of city elves, too, who are mostly Andrastians.
Even assuming that is true,
1. I doubt all of the clans are unanimous about that.
2. Clans not accepting them =/= religion commanding them not to accept them.
3. That is still different from what the Chantry has been doing (proselytizing and invading the territories of non-believers to forcibly convert them).
And how do letting atheists join hurt my point? Since atheists don't believe in gods, they have nobody to say there are other gods anyway, so they still have exclusivity of worship.
Besides that, I've never seen a Dalish that talks also not mention the Creators at least once.
Well, the Maker calls all other gods false, the Old Gods helped destroy Arlathan, and the various human tribal gods are in many cases not so different from the Creators themselves; other faiths are either outright hostile or already overlap.
The Dalish never claimed that the Creators were the only gods.
Yes, they do. Their legends specifically state it was their gods who created the world.
If you don't think that is an indirect claim that their gods are the real ones then do keep in mind that the Chantry acknowledges the existence of the Stone and it's creationist powers by giving birth to the dwarven race.
Do you? I think they'd let atheists join.
You have to tatoo your face with symbols of the gods before you're considered an adult.
What is your evidence of that? They take on a lot of city elves, too, who are mostly Andrastians.
Even assuming that is true,
1. I doubt all of the clans are unanimous about that.
2. Clans not accepting them =/= religion commanding them not to accept them.
3. That is still different from what the Chantry has been doing (proselytizing and invading the territories of non-believers to forcibly convert them).
Where is your evidence that they don't? I have examples like every City Elf who joins them is either converted(ex. Lanaya) or in the process of converting(ex. Pol).
And no, the Dalish religion permanently shuns humans from them so they can reclaim their immortality. That's much nicer. 
Also, no proof the Chantry invades. Dalish started the war by invading Orlais.
Well, the Maker calls all other gods false,
The Chantry claims that the Maker is the one true god from which everything originates. However, it also acknowledges the existence of divine beings like the Stone and the Old Gods who are simply below the Maker.
This is not so different the Dalish faith which claims their gods created the world and yet also acknowledges the existence of the Stone.
Yes, they do. Their legends specifically state it was their gods who created the world.
If you don't think that is an indirect claim that their gods are the real ones then do keep in mind that the Chantry acknowledges the existence of the Stone and it's creationist powers by giving birth to the dwarven race.
Actually, the elves don't claim that the Creators made the world itself. David Gaider explicitly said that the Dalish believe that the Creators were created by the world first.
You have to tatoo your face with symbols of the gods before you're considered an adult.
And yet the correlation from a certain vallaslin pattern to worshiping any specific god appears to be nil. It's more an endurance test than anything.
Actually, the elves don't claim that the Creators made the world itself. If you have a source saying otherwise, please cite it.
I hover somewhere between agnostic and atheist, myself, but I'd honestly feel more than a bit weirded out if a part of Cassandra's personal questline involved possibly "convincing" her to abandon her beliefs.
Like, "I want no part in this" weirded out.
I hover somewhere between agnostic and atheist, myself, but I'd honestly feel more than a bit weirded out if a part of Cassandra's personal questline involved possibly "convincing" her to abandon her beliefs.
I don't know, I think a deconversion storyline would be rather interesting.
Cassandra: "At this moment, *sword to Inquisitor's throat* YOU are the only threat I see!"
Me: That's right girl. Talk dirty to ME!
Weird, as I was reading this, I was listening to that song 
Mind is blown!
Actually, the elves don't claim that the Creators made the world itself. David Gaider explicitly said that the Dalish believe that the Creators were created by the world first.
You're right on that aspect.
And yet the correlation from a certain vallaslin pattern to worshiping any specific god appears to be nil. It's more an endurance test than anything.
They're tatooting the symbols of gods in their skin so as to preserve the old ways.
It is, undeniably, a religious rite and incompatible with the worship of any other gods.
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