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I doubt Cassandra particularly cares whether or not the Dalish or the Chantry began a war 700 years ago. What would that have to do with the current crisis?
Considering Cassandra's likely role in placing the protagonist as the leader of the Inquisitor, and most probably serving as the mandatory companion who will remain until the end, I'm doubtful Cassandra will have an issue with the protagonist following a different religion.
What was it Morrigan said when Leliana brought up spirits and magic? She said, "The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure." And since atheism existed for centuries in our world (long before Richard Dawkins was born), I can see the parallel in fictional Thedas.
Morrigan's one of the five, obviously.
The point I was trying to make back there was that The atheistic worldview was super rare in the real world's Middle Ages. A version of the Middle Ages with Magic, Demons, and holy warriors who call of divine flames makes maintaining pure, modern-thought resultant atheism ridiculously rare. For characters that aren't basically avatars of us.
I wasn't critiquing anyone's desire to play an atheist character. I was critiquing people not recognizing it and expecting characters in the setting to agree with them.
im almost certain that we cannot turn cassandra from the chantry, however at most i can see us saying "hey its either i do this to save the world and the chantry is destroyed, or we save the chantry and the world is destroyed" kind of scenario. She might give up on saving the chantry, but she wont give up on the maker or his teachings... we may shake her faith in the chantry, but we cannot shake her faith in the maker
Tapesties don't have enough substance to be really satisfying to stab. But I could see her going into the kitchen to shank a ham or a loaf of bread.
Oooo, hadn't thought of food. Can you imagine Team Fabulous(Vivienne, Dorian and Josephine) all decrying her choice of food to stab?
Rogue!Inquisitior: *sneaks up behind Cassandra* THINK FAST! *throws a cookiee from a nearby serving dish*
Cassandra: *swiftly draws her blade and brings it down on the pastry, pinning it to the Inquisitor's chest in a moment of badassery*
Dorian: *throws his dramatic hands in the air* Do you have any idea what you've done?!
Josephine: That was a gift from the Qunari Arishok's personal cook!
Vivienne: It's the sweetest brand of cookiee outside of Montsimarde! How could you?!
Cassandra: *glares at Team Fabulous, who quickly make themselves scarce, then turns back to the Inquisitor, still holding the cookiee to his chest with her blade*
Inquisitor: *grins nervously*
Cassandra: At this moment, you are the only sweet thing I see. *kiss*
Oooo, hadn't thought of food. Can you imagine Team Fabulous(Vivienne, Dorian and Josephine) all decrying her choice of food to stab?
Rogue!Inquisitior: *sneaks up behind Cassandra* THINK FAST! *throws a cookiee from a nearby serving dish*
Cassandra: *swiftly draws her blade and brings it down on the pastry, pinning it to the Inquisitor's chest in a moment of badassery*
Dorian: *throws his dramatic hands in the air* Hey, that was mine!
Josephine: That was a gift from the Qunari Arishok's personal cook!
Vivienne: It's the sweetest brand of cookiee outside of Montsimarde! How could you?!
Cassandra: *glances at Team Fabulous, turns back to the Inquisitor, still holding the cookiee to his chest with her blade*
Inquisitor: *grins nervously*
Cassandra: At this moment, you are the only sweet thing I see. *kiss*
Nice.... Can't really imagine Cassandra doing that in front of the others but still cool!
Nice.... Can't really imagine Cassandra doing that in front of the others but still cool!
A fair point. Hadn't thought of that. Edited.
I don't understand how someone in the world of Thedas could not believe in the Maker, or some sort of god. I mean theirs magic, dragons, ungodly mosnters. The magical ashes of the Makers bride.
I don't understand how someone in the world of Thedas could not believe in the Maker, or some sort of god. I mean theirs magic, dragons, ungodly mosnters. The magical ashes of the Makers bride.
The same way anyone IRL doesn't believe in some sort of deity, I suppose.
hell, anders hated the chantry, but still somewhat believed in its teachings (though he was b*tching it wasnt real during legacy, only to flip the hell out when we faced corypheus)
if they can make him believe, hell, im inclined to believe
I don't understand how someone in the world of Thedas could not believe in the Maker, or some sort of god. I mean theirs magic, dragons, ungodly mosnters. The magical ashes of the Makers bride.
Oghren says that there's a rich wall of lyrium that's effecting everything in the temple when he provides an alternative suggestion to Leliana's assumption that the ashes are divine. And I think it's fairly easy to understand why someone wouldn't believe in a god or a higher power if he or she was exposed to a particular religion that they didn't believe in, for one reason or another.
Oghren says that there's a rich wall of lyrium that's effecting everything in the temple when he provides an alternative suggestion to Leliana's assumption that the ashes are divine. And I think it's fairly easy to understand why someone wouldn't believe in a god or a higher power if he or she was exposed to a particular religion that they didn't believe in, for one reason or another.
Oghren knows that by being there and feeling it. Most don't have that luxury.
But as someone hinted at earlier, lets not derail this thread into a religious discussion. You've been a part of the discussions a lot in the past and rehashing it again will likely just derail the thread further. Bring it back to Cassandra.
hell, anders hated the chantry, but still somewhat believed in its teachings (though he was b*tching it wasnt real during legacy, only to flip the hell out when we faced corypheus)
if they can make him believe, hell, im inclined to believe
Anders believed in the fable of the Golden City in Awakening and vanilla Dragon Age II. He even berated Merrill because she didn't think spirits were Spirits and Demons, the First Children of the Maker and those who turned their backs on the Maker in jealousy over humanity to embody different "sins". I'm not certain why Legacy depicted him so inconsistently to his previous characterization since it didn't contribute anything to his character arc.
Given how some view the Andrastian Chantry, and the high number of Andrastians comprising the Inquisition, I suppose I can see why some might be concerned about Cassandra's Andrastian views. As long as she doesn't try to push her Andrastian views on the protagonist like Anders did with Merrill, I don't think it will be a problem.
shes warming up those laser eyes
shes warming up those laser eyes
I'm pretty sure they're cooling down from having just fired, hence the fire.
im almost certain that we cannot turn cassandra from the chantry, however at most i can see us saying "hey its either i do this to save the world and the chantry is destroyed, or we save the chantry and the world is destroyed" kind of scenario. She might give up on saving the chantry, but she wont give up on the maker or his teachings... we may shake her faith in the chantry, but we cannot shake her faith in the maker
I expect Cassandra to turn away from the Chantry all by herself personally (going by what I read of the start of the game). The Chantry is just an organization build around the Andrastian faith. It is not needed for the Andrastian faith to exist.
I really doubt we can turn her away from the Maker though. The shape and form of her faith might change depending of what happen in the game though.
New banter for Cassandra fans.
*Artificer Inquisitor super focused on trap plans*
Cullen: Hmf, he does like his traps, doesn't he?
Cassandra: He is an artificer. That is what they do.
Cullen: I know that, it's just... I'm not sure how to say it.
Cassandra: What is it?
Cullen: Well, he sneaks about, plants his traps and then lures ennemies to them instead of engaging them. It seems... cowardly to me.
Cassandra *gets in Cullen's face*: What?! Perhaps you should try running around hostile territory to set traps all by yourself with no one to back you up if you are caught. Or maybe you would like to be outnumbered 5 to 1 by demons in close combat. Those of us on the field with him appreciate his striving to keep us alive. *storms off*
Cullen: *speechless*
Varric: I think she's sweet on him.
As for Cassandra's religiosity, I have my own viewpoints on it. I am of the opinion that Cassandra, while a believer in the idea of the Maker, the Andraste and the Chantry, is in no way a zealot or a fundamentalist. She is Andrastian because of circumstances in her life. Her brother was killed by a blood mage and ever since then, she has devoted her life to the Chantry and eventually, to the upper echelons of the Chantry like the Divine.
In many ways, her religiosity reminds me of both Leliana's and Sebastian's religiosity. Leliana was a carefree bard until she was betrayed by Marjolaine upon which she became religious. Sebastian was a happy-go-lucky prince of Starkhaven at a point and eventually became a brother of the Chantry.
Religiosity via circumstance is neither new nor abnormal. Even as an atheist, I can somewhat understand why someone would turn to religion, especially in order to deal with significant life events. However, that also means that the said person's viewpoint on a religion can change if necessary circumstances make it so.
So I don't think it would be far fetched to see Cassandra having a to evolve herself from a belief perspective in DA:I, especially from what we have seen so far with the Breach and the whole end of the world thing.
Anyway, enough of that. Back to Cassandra appreciation.
Btw, Bluedrake89 :- Nice banter ! Need moar ! Could you do one for a mage Inquisitor ? 
Yeah, I think part of Cassandra's personal quest will probably involve losing faith in the Chantry itself but she'll probably realize that the Chantry is just an organization and isn't required for her belief of the Maker and Andraste.
I think at the most though, we can just weaken the Chantry and take away a lot of it's political power and military power.
That's bloody absurd.
I like her pants.
Wait...
Chinese Heroes of Dragon Age
That's bloody absurd.
It's actually quite close to her Dawn of the Seeker look. Just with a even shorter "skirt armor".
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