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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree. And I think that Cassandra and Cullen are the most likely of all possible LIs(with the possible exception of Solas, if he is a LI) to go that route. Heck, maybe both will. Who knows?

 

Contrary to how sex is portrayed on TV and in movies, these days, one's desires can be controlled, if one has made the commitment to do so. I know several people(both male and female) who waited to lose their virginities well into their thirties. And they were perfectly happy with this, because they ended up giving themselves to the right person. And that is key for Cassandra, I think. If she's a closet romantic, I think she'll wait for the right person. If that means she wait until she's in her forties, then I don't think she'll bat an eyelash. To some people, sex isn't a very big requirement, and wont get into a physical relationship just for the sake of sex.

 

I also think Cassandra is *channels his inner feminist* "A strong, independent woman, who don't need no man." *ends channeling* So this would be a very good indication of that aspect of her character. She never needed to be with a man, because she was a self-sufficient human being, capable of occupying herself just fine, thank you very much.

 

Doesn't mean that she'll say no to the right one, though, if he comes along. It's certainly possible that she's run into the right one before, but something happened. And if that's the case, I think we'll be hearing about if from her at some point. That, or the writers will simply leave if ambiguous. Doubt it, though, If Cassandra truly is the Thedosian 40-yr-old Virgin, I think she'd be upfront about it. Oooh, give me a minute to work out the dialogue for that.

 

 

Gotta disagree here. I think Cullen is the other one most likely to have never popped his cherry. That's right, I think both of the straight, religious LIs are the most likely to be virgins in DA:I. Call me crazy.

Very well said. 

 

As for Cullen, he is my third pick for being the virgin romance.  

[Former_Fiend]

I agree. And I think that Cassandra and Cullen are the most likely of all possible LIs(with the possible exception of Solas, if he is a LI) to go that route. Heck, maybe both will. Who knows?

 

Contrary to how sex is portrayed on TV and in movies, these days, one's desires can be controlled, if one has made the commitment to do so. I know several people(both male and female) who waited to lose their virginities well into their thirties. And they were perfectly happy with this, because they ended up giving themselves to the right person. And that is key for Cassandra, I think. If she's a closet romantic, I think she'll wait for the right person. If that means she wait until she's in her forties, then I don't think she'll bat an eyelash. To some people, sex isn't a very big requirement, and wont get into a physical relationship just for the sake of sex.

 

I also think Cassandra is *channels his inner feminist* "A strong, independent woman, who don't need no man." *ends channeling* So this would be a very good indication of that aspect of her character. She never needed to be with a man, because she was a self-sufficient human being, capable of occupying herself just fine, thank you very much.

 

Doesn't mean that she'll say no to the right one, though, if he comes along. It's certainly possible that she's run into the right one before, but something happened. And if that's the case, I think we'll be hearing about if from her at some point. That, or the writers will simply leave if ambiguous. Doubt it, though, If Cassandra truly is the Thedosian 40-yr-old Virgin, I think she'd be upfront about it. Oooh, give me a minute to work out the dialogue for that.

 

 

Gotta disagree here. I think Cullen is the other one most likely to have never popped his cherry. That's right, I think both of the straight, religious LIs are the most likely to be virgins in DA:I. Call me crazy.

 

I agree that one's desires can be controlled. I just don't think they should be denied entirely.

 

Intimacy - not just sex, but close, passionate, physical intimacy- is a hugely important part of the human experience. It's part of having a healthy mind, it's part of having a healthy soul. It's part of our growing and learning experience.

 

Locking that off, shutting it down, and denying it to ourselves, that's not healthy.

[steelfire_dragon]

is it all right If I want to kill Cassandra?

[Chari]

Urrgh, please don't use the term 'popped his cherry' it is so wrong, Also here have some facts:

Myth #2: Valuing virginity protects girls and women. In fact, valuing virginity puts girls and women at risk of violence, abuse, and assault by members of a society that believes a woman’s worth lies in her sexual behavior. As I discussed on my panel, “Virginity: A Historical and Cultural Primter,” violations of girls’ and women’s sexual and reproductive rights and health occur every day in the name of preserving and protecting girls’ virginity, delaying sexual activity, or controlling the circumstances under which girls and women lose their virginity. From forced child marriage, female genital cutting, and breast ironing to ****-shaming to the deliberate withholding of information on reproductive and sexual health, the emphasis on preserving virginity has pernicious consequences for girls in the West and beyond. I can do without that kind of “protection” thanks very much.

Myth #5: Sex within marriage is the “healthiest” kind. Unfortunately, a marriage license isn’t a magical key to a “healthy” and pleasurable sex life. In fact, sex within marriage is not even always consensual, and sadly, rape occurs within the institution of marriage every day. Remaining a virgin until marriage doesn’t guarantee a “healthy” sex life any more than having sex before marriage does.

What these facts have to do with anything he/she said?
Do you think that Cassandra or Cullen being a virgin puts them at risk or waiting for a "right" person means that their relationship with the Inquisitor will be abusive?
Some people don't consider sex a necessary thing in daily life and there is nothing wrong with them

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Urrgh, please don't use the term 'popped his cherry' it is so wrong, Also here have some facts:

 

Myth #2: Valuing virginity protects girls and women. In fact, valuing virginity puts girls and women at risk of violence, abuse, and assault by members of a society that believes a woman’s worth lies in her sexual behavior. As I discussed on my panel, “Virginity: A Historical and Cultural Primter,” violations of girls’ and women’s sexual and reproductive rights and health occur every day in the name of preserving and protecting girls’ virginity, delaying sexual activity, or controlling the circumstances under which girls and women lose their virginity. From forced child marriage, female genital cutting, and breast ironing to ****-shaming to the deliberate withholding of information on reproductive and sexual health, the emphasis on preserving virginity has pernicious consequences for girls in the West and beyond. I can do without that kind of “protection” thanks very much.

 

Myth #5: Sex within marriage is the “healthiest” kind. Unfortunately, a marriage license isn’t a magical key to a “healthy” and pleasurable sex life. In fact, sex within marriage is not even always consensual, and sadly, rape occurs within the institution of marriage every day. Remaining a virgin until marriage doesn’t guarantee a “healthy” sex life any more than having sex before marriage does.

And this has anything to do with what Caston said...how? 

[Former_Fiend]

Personally I think that a person should wait until their ready to have sex, and they should wait for someone they're comfortable with. I certainly don't think anyone should run off and try and lose it as soon as they can; it needs to be at the right time and with the right person.

 

Thing is, the right person isn't the person you're going to spend your life with. You shouldn't save yourself for that because the fact is you don't know who you're going to spend your life with until it's already done.

 

And anyone who hasn't found someone they're comfortable with enough to give their virginity to by the time they're forty has either been locked up in a dungeon or a tower or some such since they were a very young age, or not only have they not been looking for that person, they've been actively avoiding it. 

 

In any event, what attracts me about Cassandra is she's confident, she's strong, she's been around the world and has accumulated a good deal of life experience.

 

A virginity story throws all that out the window. Now she's someone who's spent her life overcompensating in her work by sacrificing any semblance of a personal life for it. She's someone so socially detached that in forty odd years she's never met anyone she's trusted and been comfortable enough with to share a bed with. The theme of her romance isn't about her experience but her lack there of. It's not her strength that's being highlighted, but her vulnerability. 

 

I don't want to go through an emotional journey with Cassandra that she should have gone through twenty years ago, give or take.

[KC_Prototype]

is it all right If I want to kill Cassandra?

No! You mustnt! 

[HK-90210]

Urrgh, please don't use the term 'popped his cherry' it is so wrong, Also here have some facts:

 

Myth #2: Valuing virginity protects girls and women. In fact, valuing virginity puts girls and women at risk of violence, abuse, and assault by members of a society that believes a woman’s worth lies in her sexual behavior. As I discussed on my panel, “Virginity: A Historical and Cultural Primter,” violations of girls’ and women’s sexual and reproductive rights and health occur every day in the name of preserving and protecting girls’ virginity, delaying sexual activity, or controlling the circumstances under which girls and women lose their virginity. From forced child marriage, female genital cutting, and breast ironing to ****-shaming to the deliberate withholding of information on reproductive and sexual health, the emphasis on preserving virginity has pernicious consequences for girls in the West and beyond. I can do without that kind of “protection” thanks very much.

 

Myth #5: Sex within marriage is the “healthiest” kind. Unfortunately, a marriage license isn’t a magical key to a “healthy” and pleasurable sex life. In fact, sex within marriage is not even always consensual, and sadly, rape occurs within the institution of marriage every day. Remaining a virgin until marriage doesn’t guarantee a “healthy” sex life any more than having sex before marriage does.

 

I use that term, and will continue to use that term, because my very favorite episode of Firefly uses it in reference towards a man losing his virginity. Ever since, it has become my go-to term for it. I know the scientific inaccuracy of the phrase. I just don't care.

 

Suffice to say I admire virginity in other people because I am one. As a male who has been on this earth 23 years, I've never done the deed. And believe me, I've received an endless amount of flak for it. But I'm rather proud of it. And I admire anyone who does likewise, because I know EXACTLY how hard it is to do. To make that kind of commitment and stick by it. And I value that. So pardon me if I don't think that makes me a party to female genital mutilation.

 

And yes, i do think that sex within the confines of loving, committed marriage is the safest form. Do I judge people who make the decision to have sex before marriage? No. I've never walked a mile in their shoes, and it's not my place to judge them.

 

So frankly, I think your 'Myths' are bunk. I doubt there is very much related to human sexuality that you and I will agree on.

[Former_Fiend]

I use that term, and will continue to use that term, because my very favorite episode of Firefly uses it in reference towards a man losing his virginity. Ever since, it has become my go-to term for it. I know the scientific inaccuracy of the phrase. I just don't care.

 

Suffice to say I admire virginity in other people because I am one. As a male who has been on this earth 23 years, I've never done the deed. And believe me, I've received an endless amount of flak for it. But I'm rather proud of it. And I admire anyone who does likewise, because I know EXACTLY how hard it is to do. To make that kind of commitment and stick by it. And I value that. So pardon me if I don't think that makes me a party to female genital mutilation.

 

And yes, i do think that sex within the confines of loving, committed marriage is the safest form. Do I judge people who make the decision to have sex before marriage? No. I've never walked a mile in their shoes, and it's not my place to judge them.

 

So frankly, I think your 'Myths' are bunk. I doubt there is very much related to human sexuality that you and I will agree on.

 

Question; why does it need to be a loving, committed marriage? Why not just a loving, committed relationship? Does putting on a big show for people the relationship has nothing to do with(otherwise known as a wedding) really improve anything? Do two bands of metal really strengthen the personal bond between two people in love?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Question; why does it need to be a loving, committed marriage? Why not just a loving, committed relationship? Does putting on a big show for people the relationship has nothing to do with(otherwise known as a wedding) really improve anything? Do two bands of metal really strengthen the personal bond between two people in love?

Well, it could improve both people's confidence, trust, and other feelings in the other person since they are willing to show the world that you are the person they want to spend their life with. 

[Former_Fiend]

Well, it improves both people's confidence, trust, and other feelings in the other person since they are willing to show the world that you are the person they want to spend their life with. 

 

Horsesh*t.

 

If a person's word isn't enough, then nothing is. If one person doesn't trust the other before, then they probably shouldn't trust them after.

 

And to hell with what the world thinks. There are two people it concerns; the people in the relationship. So long as those two love each other, and are committed to each other, and want to spend the rest of their lives with each other, that's all that matters.

 

None of the circus, none of the show, none of the song and dance that get's put on because society expects it of us. That's all static. White noise distracting from the things that matter.

 

Alright, rant over. Very hot-button topic for me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thing is, the right person isn't the person you're going to spend your life with. You shouldn't save yourself for that because the fact is you don't know who you're going to spend your life with until it's already done.

I'm curious about this part. Can you explain? 

[Former_Fiend]

I'm curious about this part. Can you explain? 

 

Everything in it's time, essentially

 

I don't have a problem with commitment, but I understand what a big deal it is. And I think that the time in a person's life when they become comfortable enough with themselves and their sexuality to the point where they're ready to give up their virginity and the time in a person's life when they're ready to understand what a lifelong commitment to someone else means are two very different times, likely to be separated by many years.

 

I don't believe a person's first should be their last. I believe a person should experience life, because the ability to make mature decisions, the kind of decisions involved in a life long commitment, that comes from experience. It comes from making mistakes and learning from them, it comes from not making mistakes and having the endeavor not work out anyway due to forces beyond your control and learning from that. 

 

A person who makes the decision that the first person they experience intimacy with is going to be the only person they are intimate with is not making a mature decision, in my opinion.

[HK-90210]

Question; why does it need to be a loving, committed marriage? Why not just a loving, committed relationship? Does putting on a big show for people the relationship has nothing to do with(otherwise known as a wedding) really improve anything? Do two bands of metal really strengthen the personal bond between two people in love?

 

I'd prefer not to hijack the Cassandra thread with a debate on marriage vs. relationships. If you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to PM.

 

On-Topic:

 

Edit: Damn picture fail. Can't find an alternate source for it right now. Here's one of Varric blowing a raspberry at Cass. Cause he's a **ck. All things considered, she was pretty patient with the dwarf.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Everything in it's time, essentially

 

I don't have a problem with commitment, but I understand what a big deal it is. And I think that the time in a person's life when they become comfortable enough with themselves and their sexuality to the point where they're ready to give up their virginity and the time in a person's life when they're ready to understand what a lifelong commitment to someone else means are two very different times, likely to be separated by many years.

 

I don't believe a person's first should be their last. I believe a person should experience life, because the ability to make mature decisions, the kind of decisions involved in a life long commitment, that comes from experience. It comes from making mistakes and learning from them, it comes from not making mistakes and having the endeavor not work out anyway due to forces beyond your control and learning from that. 

 

A person who makes the decision that the first person they experience intimacy with is going to be the only person they are intimate with is not making a mature decision, in my opinion.

Ah, okay. 

 

I can see your viewpoint, but I disagree with it entirely.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In any event, what attracts me about Cassandra is she's confident, she's strong, she's been around the world and has accumulated a good deal of life experience.

 

A virginity story throws all that out the window. Now she's someone who's spent her life overcompensating in her work by sacrificing any semblance of a personal life for it. She's someone so socially detached that in forty odd years she's never met anyone she's trusted and been comfortable enough with to share a bed with. The theme of her romance isn't about her experience but her lack there of. It's not her strength that's being highlighted, but her vulnerability. 

 

I don't want to go through an emotional journey with Cassandra that she should have gone through twenty years ago, give or take.

This doesn't have to be the case. She can be very confident and strong in her wanting to wait until she's met the right person. Not all virgins are vulnerable, socially detached people. 

[Former_Fiend]

I'd prefer not to hijack the Cassandra thread with a debate on marriage vs. relationships. If you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to PM.

 

On-Topic:

 

Here's an early Cassandra concept art, right along with a grey-haired Varric. My how our characters change in their infancy, eh?

 

 

Fair enough, though I'll decline the PM invitation as honestly it's a debate I've had too many times.

 

 

Ah, okay. 

 

I can see your viewpoint, but I disagree with it entirely.  

 

Also fair enough, and the feeling is mutual.

 

 

This doesn't have to be the case. She can be very confident and strong in her wanting to wait until she's met the right person. Not all virgins are vulnerable, socially detached people. 

 

I'm just not comfortable with the story that in twenty years, the "right person" hasn't appeared in her life. That in twenty+ years of her coming into her adult hood, out of all the people she's met in that time, she's never found anyone that she's respected enough, that she's trusted enough, that she's comfortable enough with, and that she's attracted to. 

 

To me, that says one of three things, none of which are appealing; 1: Out of all the men in all of Thedas, our inquisitor is the only one, the *only* one good enough for Cassandra, because Bioware Special Snowflake Protagonist syndrome. 2: Cassandra is an incorruptible vessel of pureness that has been preserved specifically for our Inquisitor. Or 3: She's met the right person again, and again, and again, but was either too oblivious to see it, so focused on her duty that she let it pass her by, or so guarded with her emotions that she refused to let them in. 

 

Of the first two explanations I don't like them from a writing stand point; the first is a cheap way to make a bioware protagonist more "awesome" which is about as necessary as squirting lighter fluid on a raging wild fire. The second makes Cassandra out to be a prize that spawned from the aether specifically for our character, which does the same as the first while objectifying Cassandra. And the third, well, those just aren't qualities I find attractive in a significant other, so that's my own hang up.

[HK-90210]

Ah. Found it. HERE'S the dang concept art that just didn't want to cooperate. I prefer Cassandra with short hair. I think long hair would have been a big mistake. And Varric definitely looks better now than in this concept.

 

[Urazz]

Ah. Found it. HERE'S the dang concept art that just didn't want to cooperate. I prefer Cassandra with short hair. I think long hair would have been a big mistake. And Varric definitely looks better now than in those concept.

 

I wonder if Cassandra's hair actually looks similar to that when she has that braid on the back of her hair undone.  Well, she'll obviously have bangs of course but I figure it would be similar in length.

[Sifr]

I don't know. On the one hand I wouldn't necessarily mind if they made Cassandra a virgin, but I can't really see it myself as being the case.

 

Unlike Cullen, who from all indications appears to have spent most of his life within the tightly-regulated Templars, Seekers seem to be able to play more outside the rules and have less restrictions on them, which I can imagine would extend to interpersonal relationships, both within and outside of the ranks. I suspect that if a Seeker wants to become involved with someone, there's far less tutting and disapproval from the Chantry than if they were a Templar or a member of the Priesthood.

 

Cassandra has always struck me as the sort of person who's extremely career orientated, so I can't imagine thath she's ever had that much time for romance. Whether or not that extends to the possibility of a quick fling is another thing, since she's obviously got a sex drive as shown by her subtle attraction to Galyan in Dawn of the Seeker. She's just knows how to keep her mind on the job and not... well, on the job.

 

That being said, much like Morrigan and Isabela in the first two games, regardless of (potentially) having a sex life prior to becoming involved with our protagonist, I can't see Cassandra as having been in an actual relationship before, with all the strings that come attached with one.

 

Like the virginal example stated above, Bioware also tends include either a defrosting ice queen/emotionally detached characters who develops true feelings for the protagonist despite themselves (Morrigan and Isabela in DA2, Jack and Miranda in ME, Bastila in Kotor), which I think more fits Cassandra's personality.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Like the virginal example stated above, Bioware also tends include either a defrosting ice queen/emotionally detached characters who develops true feelings for the protagonist despite themselves (Morrigan and Isabela in DA2, Jack and Miranda in ME, Bastila in Kotor), which I think more fits Cassandra's personality.

Well, Bastila was actually a combination of character types since she was as you said the ice queen/emotionally detached as well as the virgin option, since Jedi are forbidden to have those relations and Bastila was a Jedi ever since she was a child. Just felt like pointing out that being one doesn't exclude another. 

[Sifr]

Well, Bastila was actually a combination of character types since she was as you said the ice queen/emotionally detached as well as the virgin option, since Jedi are forbidden to have those relations and Bastila was a Jedi ever since she was a child. Just felt like pointing out that being one doesn't exclude another. 

 

Very true, which is why I wouldn't mind if they made Cassandra a virgin either, because as a very career-orientated woman, it's also entirely in-character for her to simply have not had the time for romance before now. And you're right, I prefer it when they play around with the archetypes rather than stick to the same ones each time.

[Wulfram]

How do people feel about the circular braid (or whatever it is) in Cassandra's hair?

[azarhal]

How do people feel about the circular braid (or whatever it is) in Cassandra's hair?

 

I find it weird because it looks very hard to braid going by its size. Otherwise I don't mind it, we barely see it anyway.