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#26
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When I say stop posting about a particular topic, it doesn't mean keep posting about it (including responding to other people that are talking about it).

 

Take it to PMs, as instructed.

 

 

EDIT: There's no need to apologize to me if you've done it either (since I'm actively trying to avoid implicating people).  If you feel compelled to apologize, send it as a PM! ;)



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I thought he did?

 

I did.


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#28
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As note, coming in and making statements about how obvious it was is really just ostensibly rubbing salt in the wounds and telling those that were hopeful that they were foolish for even thinking so.

 

Which isn't necessary.  Please don't do it.  Thanks.


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#29
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Some posts removed.

 

When I make a post effectively saying to not come into the thread and tell people how obvious it was that Cassandra would be heterosexual, it doesn't mean come in and make a post saying exactly that.


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#30
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Adviser. New character without previously established fanbase. Better choice.

 

This would actually create a bias towards returning characters being bisexual simply because by nature of their existence, they would build up some level of following amongst all types of people while a person doesn't.

 

The thing is, there's going to be some that would actually prefer to have had Josephine instead of Cassandra - they just didn't realize it yet.  So in my eyes it mostly comes out as a wash.


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#31
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I don't think it's that there "needs to be" a specific orientation among the companions.

Cullen is straight because way back in DA:O, Sheryl wrote him as a straight man. Cassandra is straight because in DA II, David or Jennifer wrote her as a straight woman. Sera is gay because Luke wanted to write her that way.

 

By extension, this also applies to Anders (even if many wish to disregard it) given David's impressions while writing him.

 

 

(In general I agree with your point)


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#32
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Maybe a combo  :whistle:

 

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On Cassandra and her sexual orientation...  anyone else think it might be somewhat related to how involved she was in a religious institution?  I mean, look at Alistair, he was a young brother in the Templar Order...  straight.  Cassandra is much the same with being a member of the Seekers.

 

I think people are reading a bit too much into this.  Leliana existed in the first game as a devout servant of the Chantry and she was bisexual.


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#34
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Why not? Unless you're advocating a model where all the LIs are bisexual.

 

But once it was confirmed that the devs weren't going that route,  it was only fair that some of the LIs should be straight as well as homosexual. Straight & gay players should have an equal amount of options IMO.

 

She's right that there is no need for a companion to be of a particular orientation, though.



#35
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Such a bias isn't so unacceptable to me, but hopefully those who've gotten ganked out of the Cassandra option will find something elsewhere...

 

The bias is only acceptable until we do something with a returning character that is what you are looking for that you don't appreciate us doing, though.  There's no guarantee that you'd like where a romance with Cassandra goes, so it's still on some level a Schrodinger's Romance.

 

 

Cassandra once held the position of Sera and Josephine: characters that are new that people have yet to meet and see in action.  Making Cassandra bisexual ensures that those that would have preferred Josephine would likely have not gotten the romance that they enjoy.  So, as stated, it ends up being a wash.


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#36
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If there are gay characters and bisexual characters why can't there be straight characters? It makes perfect sense to me at least.

 

No one is arguing that there should be no straight characters.



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Mod all you want. Just don't quit the game. There's so much to be interested in. If you don't, I'll hunt you down and force you to play ;)

 

I'm wouldn't be too worried about Maria skipping on the game.


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#38
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He probably just picked the name we knew to make a point, being that making one character bisexual just disappoints another audience that would prefer a different character, either way. I wouldn't take it as confirmation of anything. 

 

Yup.



#39
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Nah, sorry. I'm not going to link to people's posts on an entirely different website without their permission even if they are public.

Suffice it to say, accusing the writers of not caring about lesbian/bisexual women is probably crossing a line or two.

 

I appreciate your discretion.

 

It's also important to remember it's the more extreme responses (valid or otherwise) tend to be the ones that go the most viral.  I've seen plenty of people that were hoping for Cass (or Cullen) be okay with the way things went.


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#40
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Again, I just wish they they had announced she was straight when they announced her as a LI, would have probably saved a lot of pain. When Sera was revealed as a lesbian she had just barely been revealed as a companion and a LI, so it's not like the same expectations where there, the reveal was immediate.

 

It's important to remember the context by which she was announced too.  Now you could argue that it wasn't well thought out on our part, but I don't think (I'm not in marketing) that our plan was to announce that stuff then.  I don't think it's a surprise that of the two that were announced at that PAX, one was pretty much already confirmed by an enthusiastic voice actor a few days earlier.  I view it more as a reaction reveal, but maybe I'm just biased towards my friends/coworkers (which I likely am).

 

Admittedly I didn't really see it as something that would get a group of individuals more hopeful than they already were (I know Cass as a f/f pairing was already coming up), so maybe others did too?  Sure it's an example of me perhaps being somewhat daft/blind to it all (whoops) and failing in having perspective.  So yeah, maybe it was the wrong person to choose from who was known at the time.  It's pretty clear that some felt we were dragging them along, unfortunately.


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#41
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I've been trying to examine why I'm still so broken up about Cass being straight, and I think this is it.  We've never really gotten an androgynous female LI for women before.  She's a particular "type" that really appeals to me, that we've never seen as a romance option for female players.  

 

It is funny though because I definitely don't consider Cass to be androgynous.  I look at her and pretty clearly see a woman.  I don't know if there's some bias there though.


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#42
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 Agreed but while I can see how this may not have been planned it is hard to imagine that the marketing team (or others in BioWare) wouldn't know that it would upset quite a few people when they chose to hold the orientation information away when they were so clear with Sera, Dorian and Josephine. 

 

I do have a predisposition in assuming ignorance over malevolence.  Speaking personally, I know a lot of us were pretty stoked that our first confirmed orientations were Sera and Dorian.  I thought that that was a pretty cool beat.  It gets lost if we reveal Cullen and Cassandra's when they were announced, and may even have people feeling that the gay romances were second fiddle to those two because they were announced so much later.

 

 

You know what I'm dreading now, post release. Some of the people who are sad now will go and try the Cassandra romance with a guy and will come to the conclusion that there was no real reasons to make Cassandra's straight beside writer's fantasies and will complain about it...a lot.

 

Inevitable.  Though I think it's a wash... you'll get people that think that about Sera, Dorian and so forth.  Any character that they'd like to romance.  You'll get it for some that aren't even available to romance by anyone.



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I agree with the sentiment that Juhani doesn't really count either.


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#44
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Just because she's recognizable as female doesn't mean she's not androgynous/butch also. 

 

Evidently I misunderstood as I though androgynous meant (simplified) a sort of inability to determine if someone was a man or a woman via physical features.  Not so much a function of masculine and feminine features.

 

I'm still not sure I would consider her androgynous because I think I classify a lot of things as gender neutral that many don't, but at the same time if I'm going to use my definition for myself then I must concede that what you consider masculine and feminine is just as valid for yourself.  So in that sense I apologize if I came across unnecessarily dismissive with my statement.


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#45
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You weren't dismissive, it's just semantics and not especially important. I think we can agree she's not as traditionally feminine as someone like Isabella for example and that's more what I meant.

 

I find most of Isabela's femininity comes from her appearance and less so from her personality.  Looks aside, how do you think Cassandra and Isabela differ?


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#46
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This is why you should hire gay women Bioware, haha. 

 

I'm reasonably confident we have some that work here.  But I mean, I didn't realize David was gay until very recently myself, so I suspect they fit the "look like a human being" to me so....


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#47
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Hmm, good question.

 

Well their looks obviously but you already addressed that. Isabella is fundamentally selfish in a lot of ways, at least until the very end of the game depending upon Hawkes choices. Cass doesn't come off that way. I'd imagine Isabella is the kind of person who would trip and old lady with an arm full of oranges in a market place to slow down someone chasing her (random mental image but there you go.)

 

Cassandra seems to have a moral compass or honor code that Isabella lacks, Cassandra seems willing to put others before herself. I'm sure there are more differences and similarities even but that's all the brain power I can muster at the moment. 

I agree that the moral code of the two is pretty opposite.  Though I think that while their "end goals" are pretty different, some of their means of getting there aren't so different maybe.  I hadn't given it too much thought before seeing your post earlier, but both seem to be pretty opinionated, aggressive, and headstrong as well.

 

 

I do hope that Sera and Josephine are still able to blow your mind however! :)


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#48
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She totally undressed the inquisitor with her eyes.

 

That or shot lasers through the Inquisitor. >.>


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#49
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Oghren says that there's a rich wall of lyrium that's effecting everything in the temple when he provides an alternative suggestion to Leliana's assumption that the ashes are divine. And I think it's fairly easy to understand why someone wouldn't believe in a god or a higher power if he or she was exposed to a particular religion that they didn't believe in, for one reason or another.

 

Oghren knows that by being there and feeling it.  Most don't have that luxury.

 

 

But as someone hinted at earlier, lets not derail this thread into a religious discussion.  You've been a part of the discussions a lot in the past and rehashing it again will likely just derail the thread further.  Bring it back to Cassandra.



#50
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It's not a competition.  Please don't try to inflate the post count of this thread (or any others).