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[Master Warder Z_]

Seriously we are Cass fans.

 

We should be better then this.

 

I mean we aren't frigging Dorian fans! Come on!

[Zu Long]

I do believe his point was that regardless of what the "majority" believes Bioware can change something if they wish to change it.

 

Their product and all.

 

And my point is that I am unconcerned at the remote chance that they will change their decision to something I am not okay with. I am fairly easy to please.

[Master Warder Z_]

And my point is that I am unconcerned at the remote chance that they will change their decision to something I am not okay with. I am fairly easy to please.

 

Good i guess then?

 

Now shoo.

[Master Warder Z_]

Seriously. All this fuss, because a dev tweet implied that she might have been updated aesthetically. But apparently the people pushing for change are the 'vocal minority'. Right.

 

Fix the chin! Fix the Chin! Fix the Chin!

 

Maybe i should make a banner!

[Shadow Fox]

If this statement that many straight male find a woman like Cassandra attractive, then there would be some form of result we can expect. The result being that there would be a lot more men in a relationship with women that look like Cassandra and Cassandra's phenotypical features (muscular, scarred, old, short haired) would be the standards of beauty.

 

However, this is not the case. This has never been the case and this will most likely not be the case. For the simple reason of biology.

 

Typically straight males prefer women with longer hair, body with more curves, younger because she makes a better mate and typically straight females prefer the protector and provider male, the tough and good looking guy who can defender her because he makers for a better mate.

 

Most straight humans instinctively follow this and this is why we see the sexual preferences that we do in the average straight human being of both sexes. 

 

As such the notion that this is the loud cry of a small minority is an intellectually dishonest one.

 

It certainly does not invalidate your choice to prefer the non-typical woman.

 

I myself like intelligent, rational women who are not fat, race, ethnicity, hair length, hair color, skin complexion be damned. Intelligence is not a quality that is a high priority for mate selection. However, I have the sense to know that my preference are not the norm and to not shame those who like women who look cute and pretty as a "vocal minority" or "man-child". 

 

Cheers. 

And about 2-3 centuries ago fat people were the standard of beauty because it meant you were well off if you could stuff yourself like that.

 

Also Cassandra isn't old you have a weird definition of old if you think 30s-early 40s is old.

[Br3admax]

Right, so that's where we disagree. You have a different understanding of "the norm" than I do.

I still think that your understanding of "the norm" is not, in fact, normal, because it relies on undefined ostensible stereotypes. I don't think that the things you think are "stereotypical" are, in fact, "stereotypical", because there are plenty of people on this forum who, unlike Br3admax, prognosticator of prognosticators, did not successfully determine the various companions' sexual orientations prior to their reveals. There was an avalanche of complaints from disappointed men when Sera turned out to be lesbian (I say "was" even though the rockslide hasn't really stopped yet); there were also groups that thought Dorian would be interested in women and Blackwall interested in men. If these stereotypes were broadcasting their sexualities so clearly, then surely such things wouldn't have happened. And there were people who correctly guessed Cassandra would be straight, too: how did they do that, if the Signs pointed somewhere other than her being straight?

 

Cassandra already was established as a straight character before this game, so really no point to this overly long paragraph. And stereotypes are there for a reason. A lot of them are outdated now, but all of them have grounds in reality. 

In my field of study, there are a lot of academics with crappy reasoning who make sweeping generalizations about norms and stereotypes and Cultural Traits and suchlike things. They then use these generalizations to build bad arguments about the way stuff works. I don't disagree that norms and stereotypes exist; I do disagree with using them for the basis of an argument without adequately demonstrating that they exist. Otherwise, they become logic clay, able to buttress any wild claim. And there are a lot of such wild claims out there. I don't expect anybody in this thread, least of all myself, to adhere to academic standards of proof. But it would have been nice to have seen some demonstration of why these things are supposedly stereotypical in a meaningful way and therefore why Cassandra is the only non-bisexual love interest that does not adhere to these stereotypes. I haven't seen anything like that. I've seen a bunch of personal opinions and sweeping generalizations, and that's it.

Woman, most of them, don't look like Cassandra. That isn't a sweeping generalization, that's a fact. That's like saying that woman having broader hips and narrower shoulders is a broad generalization. Or that men being more muscular is a broad generalization. It's more like a fact of human anatomy. 

 
I can say whether I think a complaint is reasonable or not, can't I? It's an opinion that isn't actionable. I'm not going around censoring or deleting his posts or anything, not that I have the capability to do so in the first place. I'm not talking about "right". "Unwarranted" means "there is no warrant for it", i.e. there is no logical reason supporting it. I'm not a native speaker of English, so I may have to defer to you on this, but that is what that word means, right? And if so, that's a pretty accurate description of the way I've been talking so far, no? Have I said anything like "stfu"?
 

Another essay, for some reason, either way, the complaint isn't unwarranted. He wants Cassandra to look attractive to him.  

You're not going to change my opinion on how hot Cassandra is, obviously. I neither expect nor desire to change anybody else's opinion about that, either. The only thing that's really at issue is this thing about unfairness, something none of us in this thread have the power to change. And either way, I'm still not going to think it's unfair - it's just the difference between me expressing he personal opinion "okay, I don't think it's unfair but I understand why you think so" and expressing the personal opinion "okay, I don't think it's unfair and you're being silly". I elect to stick with the latter.

What's unfair is that the only heterosexual female LI for some reason has to go against the norm, which like it or not, is the norm. Do I care about fairness? No. Does BioWare? No. Does that change that it's "unfair?" No. Is it a valid complaint? Absolutely.           

[Zu Long]

So are we actually just going to keep going like this until a mod comes in warning everyone to stop, lock the thread and clean it up, and then hands out warnings/bans to everyone involved for not following the first rule?

 

Point. In review, I'm not particularly helping, so I shall call it an evening. I would suggest certain others do the same, but I know better than to think they'll do it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Also Cassandra isn't old you have a weird definition of old if you think 30s-early 40s is old.

 

I think i'm old somedays *sighs*

 

Sure ain't getting any younger...

[SmilesJA]

Why are people complaining about Cassandra's lack of femininity? She's a kick-ass warrior who fiercely loyal to her cause. That is what drew me to her character.

 

 

And her lovely accent.   

[PrinceofTime]

Woh wasn't expecting people to lose their **** over a simple tweet.

[Br3admax]

As opposed to the three Antivans you base your Josephine is bisexual on?

I was joking. 

 

Man, how foolish all of us in the Josephine topic must feel. Here we were when only had her picture speculating whether she would be Antivan or not, an you knew it the whole time

It was obviously all speculation, but it seemed obvious enough to me. And not just me, but cool underhandedness. 

 

Polls provide a basis for making decisions. Around 50% of the people who buy your game won't finish it, but that doesn't mean you skimp on the ending, as they found out in ME3. While those who desire more options might make up a minority of the people who buy the game generally, they make up a bigger chunk of the people who care deeply about it enough to buy DLC and other merchandise. Thus, through the magic of polling, Bioware can determine that appealing to that group will increase revenue. I'll let Professor Unikitty explain the fine details:

 

Thanks for ignoring the point. the point is that claiming a poll represents anything more than itself is invalid. BioWare releases polls to know what their core, vocal fanbase wants, not what everyone wants. To say that most people are okay with something because a noncommittal poll says so is foolish. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Why are people complaining about Cassandra's lack of femininity?

 

I'm complaining about her freakish chin.

 

I'm sure she has nice hips and a decent bosom.

[Jaison1986]

Why are people complaining about Cassandra's lack of femininity? She's a kick-ass warrior who fiercely loyal to her cause. That is what drew me to her character.

 

 

And her lovely accent.   

 

Personal taste pal. Just because you feel that way about her, doesn't mean everyone else will. Everyone has their own different standards of what they find pretty.

[Master Warder Z_]

Warder, seriously, every comment you make is the most subtle troll in the world and yet you still somehow manage to be transparent.

 

.-. I don't consider stating an opinion to be trolling.

 

I never do anything beyond stating an opinion, well that isn't entirely true.

 

Sometimes i state facts and lore.

[Br3admax]

.-. I don't consider stating an opinion to be trolling.

 

I never do anything beyond stating an opinion, 

Too bad it wasn't the correct one that a real man would have. 

[Shadow Fox]

Why are people complaining about Cassandra's lack of femininity? She's a kick-ass warrior who fiercely loyal to her cause. That is what drew me to her character.

 

 

And her lovely accent.   

Same reason people complained about Ashley's lack of femininity I'd reckon.

[Master Warder Z_]

Too bad it wasn't the correct one that a real man would have. 

 

I fought in a war, i served my country, i was wounded in action, i have a stake in the business i work for, i have own several firearms, i own my vehicle, i have a decanter of Tennessee whisky in the parlor.

 

...I'm not a man?

[Master Warder Z_]

Nope. I was actually one of the 'fix that hair, it's impractical as ****' people.

 

You could never cram that **** into a helmet.

[Br3admax]

I fought in a war, i served my country, i was wounded in action, i have a stake in the business i work for, i have own several firearms, i own my vehicle, i have a decanter of Tennessee whisky in the parlor.

 

...I'm not a man?

Not if you don't fantasize about having that chin cutting into your flesh for the rest of your life. 

[Merela]

...seriously guys, can we stop that discussion that isn't heading anywhere nice and just, I don't know, hold hands and pray for the next video to be about Miranda Raison instead? And if really you need to continue it, just pm each other. To get the Cass topic locked by a mod is the last thing we all want, isn't it?

[shit's fucked cunts]