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#11301
Jaison1986

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In my opinion, writing someone like Cassandra, when she may have the Templar spec, off as a mere 'drug addict' is doing a huge disservice to not only her character, but also BioWare's writing. 

 

Cassandra is an servant of the Chantry. It's only expected for something like this to happen. And there is no disservice. Once you become an templar, you become an addict, simple as that. So when you say "disservice", what I see is you asking for special treatment.



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Hellion Rex

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And to the Templar Order it self.

 

It isn't like they take that **** to get high.

As much as I have issue with some of their practices, I believe the Order represents an ideal of Sacrifice, somewhat similar to the GWs in my opinion. The Templars exist as a way to regulate magic as well as to protect the common population from its misuse.



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Cassandra is an servant of the Chantry. It's only expected for something like this to happen. And there is no disservice. Once you become an templar, you become an addict, simple as that. So when you say "disservice", what I see is you asking for special treatment.

 

Asking for special treatment? What? I don't really follow.

 

What I meant was is that saying "drug addict" is painting the mental image of a junkie, completely consumed by his/her drug addiction and taking the 'stuff' to get high. 


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AresKeith

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Cassandra is an servant of the Chantry. It's only expected for something like this to happen. And there is no disservice. Once you become an templar, you become an addict, simple as that. So when you say "disservice", what I see is you asking for special treatment.

 

How is it asking for special treatment when there are already characters who have complete control over the addiction?  :huh:


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How is it asking for special treatment when there are already characters who have complete control over the addiction?  :huh:

 

She would be a functioning user more than anything. Cass strikes me as too mentally focused to get lost in such an addiction.



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How is it asking for special treatment when there are already characters who have complete control over the addiction?  :huh:

people seem to forget what alistar said/ u dont really need lyrium it just makes ur abilities more effective or something along those lines



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people seem to forget what alistar said/ u dont really need lyrium it just makes ur abilities more effective or something along those lines

That was retconned.


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Asking for special treatment? What? I don't really follow.

 

What I meant was is that saying "drug addict" is painting the mental image of a junkie, completely consumed by his/her drug addiction and taking the 'stuff' to get high. 

 

I say special treatment because you find the notion of showing Cassandra as an addict due to her nature as an templar an disservice to her character, when all others templars that were shown before in the series are exactly like that. Lyrium addicts that either quit taking it and suffer withdrawns or eventualy suffer mental degeneration. So it's not an disservice. It's the cold truth. I'm not saying I expect her to go around freaking out because she didn't got her daily dose. But if she is an templar, she will have an addiction, and that will likely affect her to some extent.



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That was retconned.

 

Like a long time ago.



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That was retconned.

seriously?! when?



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seriously?! when?

 

Years ago, like a month or three after DAO released.



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TheLittleBird

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I say special treatment because you find the notion of showing Cassandra as an addict due to her nature as an templar an disservice to her character, when all others templars that were shown before in the series are exactly like that. Lyrium addicts that either quit taking it and suffer withdrawns or eventualy suffer mental degeneration. So it's not an disservice. It's the cold truth. I'm not saying I expect her to go around freaking out because she didn't got her daily dose. But if she is an templar, she will have an addiction, and that will likely affect her to some extent.

 

I don't find the notion of her being shown as someone who needs lyrium to be a disservice to her character, not at all. What I meant was that fans of the games writing her off as a mere "drug addict" is a disservice to BioWare's writing and Cassandra's character, because she's not at all like the mental images conjured up by the use of such terminology to describe someone.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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This, Cassandra possibly having Templar abilities doesn't detract from her awesome character

The implications of being a Templar entails however does. 

 

And to the Templar Order it self.

 

It isn't like they take that **** to get high.

Samson does. 

 

seriously?! when?

Before DA2 came out. 



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I don't find the notion of her being shown as someone who needs lyrium to be a disservice to her character, not at all. What I meant was that fans of the games writing her off as a mere "drug addict" is a disservice to BioWare's writing and Cassandra's character, because she's not at all like the mental images conjured up by the use of such terminology to describe someone.

 

Well, then think I misunderstood what you originally said. My mistake.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I don't find the notion of her being shown as someone who needs lyrium to be a disservice to her character, not at all. What I meant was that fans of the games writing her off as a mere "drug addict" is a disservice to BioWare's writing and Cassandra's character, because she's not at all like the mental images conjured up by the use of such terminology to describe someone.

Here's a question though: Do you know this? Do you know it will be different than the mental images that are conjured up(which by the way are subjective)? Until you do, you really have no more stable footing than I do. 



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The implications of being a Templar entails however does. 

 

No it still doesn't

 

 

Samson does. 

 

Samson is an ex-Templar and doesn't represent the entire Order



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whelp, i feel stupid



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TheLittleBird

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Well, then think I misunderstood what you originally said. My mistake.

No problem :) I see why it might cause some confusion.

 

Though I don't think Cassandra needing lyrium will be something shown on the foreground in her character arc, because as others have said there are quite a few characters that seem to be having control over it very well.


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No problem :) I see why it might cause some confusion.

 

Though I don't think Cassandra needing lyrium will be something shown on the foreground in her character arc, because as others have said there are quite a few characters that seem to be having control over it very well.

 

I believe the lore says only SOME templars have debilitating effects from long term lyrium use. So its not a guarantee, its like allergic reactions, some have it and others don't. And the degree of reaction varies greatly among those that do.



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Here's a question though: Do you know this? Do you know it will be different than the mental images that are conjured up(which by the way are subjective)? Until you do, you really have no more stable footing than I do. 

 

I don't know that, no. And you don't either.

Judging from the information we've gotten so far, I think I can say I have a fairly good impression of her character by now. And lyrium addiction has never been mentioned as relating to her before, which for me increases the likelihood that it's not such big of a topic.

 

So right now, you saying Cassandra has "been reduced to a drug addict" seems to me be a disservice to who Cassandra really is in the game. 


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I believe the lore says only SOME templars have debilitating effects from long term lyrium use. So its not a guarantee like wardens and their taint.

The wiki makes it sound more universal: 

 

In its processed form, lyrium may be handled by anyone, but long term exposure or a single mistake while working with it can lead to serious side effects. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. The effects of lyrium addiction for templars include paranoia, obsession, and dementia.[3] Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation.[1]
 
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All templars are addicted to lyrium, which is officially used to help develop their anti-mage skills and unofficially used as a control mechanism by the Chantry. A lack of lyrium causes the templar to lose touch with reality and suffer from delusions within 1-2 months.[8] The effects of lyrium addiction for templars include paranoia, obsession, and dementia.[9] Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours.[10]
 
It is confirmed that lyrium does have effective benefits for templars, as it builds a resistance to magic in them over time, as well as increasing the effectiveness of their magic abilities, such as being able to shut off a mage's abilities entirely. Some people think that templars are conditioned to be dependent on this mineral for its attributes and that the Chantry knows of its addictiveness. BothAlistair and Evangeline claim that "the Chantry controls the supply of lyrium, and thus they control the templars."[8]

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Spoiler

 

Source: http://twitch.tv/bioware

 

:wub:

Is it bad of me to think that this was Kirito  from Sword Art Online when I first saw this? 

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#11323
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I believe the lore says only SOME templars have debilitating effects from long term lyrium use. So its not a guarantee, its like allergic reactions, some have it and others don't. And the degree of reaction varies greatly among those that do.

That's false. They all are prone to the side effects, it's just that some are better at controlling them.



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The wiki isn't exactly the same as official lore.



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Cass could still well be a Champion spec, calm your t*ts guys.


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