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[The Elder King]

I think it's still possible for some to not experience and have control over it
(Evangeline and possible Lambert from Asunder)

Gregoir is fine after decades. Alistair in the comics didn't suffer either, though we don't know when he started re-using lyrium.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Gregoir is fine after decades. Alistair in the comics didn't suffer either, though we don't know when he started re-using lyrium.

 

I kind of got the scene that Alistair took lyrium because he need the boost to his templar abilities, and in that case he really did need the boost.

[Icy Magebane]

How so? The side-effects are generally present when you stop using it. There's nothing that say that assuming lyrium will definitely Lead to side-effects, since Gregoir, Lambert and comic Alistair don't suffer from assuming lyrium. Sure.

Greagoir and Lambert would have been rather ineffective as characters had they been in even the early stages of lyrium addling, and Alistar is far too young.  Because these three are integral to the plots of their respective storylines, I don't think that they are good examples that the long-term effects of lyrium can somehow be avoided... the Templar in Denerim seemed pretty out of it to me.  I don't know why they would have even included such a character if he was meant to be an exception to the rule.  It seems to me that at some point they would have clarified that either he was an exception or that these other characters were.  I think it's like the Calling... it hits Templars at different times due to different factors, but it's inevitable.

 

(edit... phrasing...)

[b10d1v]

The interview/interrogation of Varric was a nice touch in DA2 and probably the best part of the game story wise. DA2 was somewhat weak otherwise. Cassandra starts out as a tyrant and slowly warms up to Garrus and the characters he describes, no doubt Garrus could charm just about anyone after pulling that off.  We see Cassandra develop into a seeker of truth now enlightened knowing that even the most devout can be corrupted.  

 

Cassandra joining Garrus to hunt for the others is a good start for Inquisitions.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

The interview/interrogation of Varric was a nice touch in DA2 and probably the best part of the game story wise. DA2 was somewhat weak otherwise. Cassandra starts out as a tyrant and slowly warms up to Garrus and the characters he describes, no doubt Garrus could charm just about anyone after pulling that off.  We see Cassandra develop into a seeker of truth now enlightened knowing that even the most devout can be corrupted.  

 

Cassandra joining Garrus to hunt for the others is a good start for Inquisitions.

 

Garrus was in DA 2?! Holy ****, DA 2 just because 10x more awesome!

[Icy Magebane]

Garrus was in DA 2?! Holy ****, DA 2 just because 10x more awesome!

Didn't you know?  He was a Deluxe Edition bonus character... xD  That sniper rifle absolutely owned Revenants.  "Head-shot!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Greagoir and Lambert would have been rather ineffective as characters had they been in even the early stages of lyrium addling, and Alistar is far too young.  Because these three are integral to the plots of their respective storylines, I don't think that these are good examples that the long-term effects of lyrium can be somehow avoided... the Templar in Denerim seemed pretty out of it to me.  I don't know why they would have even included such a character if he was meant to be an exception to the rule.  It seems to me that at some point they would have clarified that either he was an exception or that these other characters were.  I think it's like the Calling... it hits Templars at different times due to different factors, but it's inevitable.

 

(edit... phrasing...)

Yeah, that guys sole purpose was "This is what will happen to Templars". 

 

Garrus was in DA 2?! Holy ****, DA 2 just because 10x more awesome!

Oh, you mean you didn't get the Superspecialawesome Edition? 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Greagoir and Lambert would have been rather ineffective as characters had they been in even the early stages of lyrium addling, and Alistar is far too young.  Because these three are integral to the plots of their respective storylines, I don't think that these are good examples that the long-term effects of lyrium can be somehow avoided... the Templar in Denerim seemed pretty out of it to me.  I don't know why they would have even included such a character if he was meant to be an exception to the rule.  It seems to me that at some point they would have clarified that either he was an exception or that these other characters were.  I think it's like the Calling... it hits Templars at different times due to different factors, but it's inevitable.

 

(edit... phrasing...)

 

I take it the templar in denerim was just old and unlucky. Its not made clear if such addling happens to all templars after a long enough period of time. Even if so, it would be similar to the calling as you say.

 

It then would be a question of would you date Cassandra if she was a grey warden, doomed to go on her calling eventually?

 

The choice is clear to me, enjoy it while it lasts. YOLO! (I'm a terrible motivational speaker)

 

 

 

 

Oh, you mean you didn't get the Superspecialawesome Edition?

 

Clearly I did not drink enough to get that special edition.

[Icy Magebane]

I take it the templar in denerim was just old and unlucky. Its not made clear if such addling happens to all templars after a long enough period of time. Even if so, it would be similar to the calling as you say.

 

It then would be a question of would you date Cassandra if she was a grey warden, doomed to go on her calling eventually?

 

The choice is clear to me, enjoy it while it lasts. YOLO! (I'm a terrible motivational speaker)

Well, it's not like we have that many options, so my decision is pretty simple.  lol

[Milan92]

Well, this thread got alot more active

[Icy Magebane]

Yeah, that guys sole purpose was "This is what will happen to Templars".

Exactly how I saw it...

[Exaltation]

After saving the world my Inquisitor and Cassandra gonna live far away from civilization.
We gonna have 5 kids,and a Nug pet,Varric will be the godfather.
Am i thinking too far ahead? xD

[Tevinter Rose]

She would be a functioning user more than anything. Cass strikes me as too mentally focused to get lost in such an addiction.

 

She'd only do it on the weekends.

[Tevinter Rose]

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[The Elder King]

Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore characters that clearly weren't affected by lyrium. That's ridicolous. That's on the same level as people thinking that Morrigan could've done the OGB anyway, Ignoring that the Warden's Death in US means that Urthemiel is dead.
Also, ser Otto in DAO seems quite old, and yet he was will lucid. Those templars are present in the story. I'm bot going to ignore them.
Though I Should point out that I didn't say that the majority of the templars don't ultimately suffer from the side effects. I think most of the templars will. That Doesn't change the fact that some won't, for whatever reason (Willpower might be relevant).
Unless a Bioware dev said that every templar will suffer from the side-effects before his/her natural death, I'll stick with what the games and books shown.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore characters that clearly weren't affected by lyrium. That's ridicolous. That's on the same level as people thinking that Morrigan could've done the OGB anyway, Ignoring that the Warden's Death in US means that Urthemiel is dead.
Also, ser Otto in DAO seems quite old, and yet he was will lucid. Those templars are present in the story. I'm bot going to ignore them.
Though I Should point out that I didn't say that the majority of the templars don't ultimately suffer from the side effects. I think most of the templars will. That Doesn't change the fact that some won't, for whatever reason (Willpower might be relevant).
Unless a Bioware dev said that every templar will suffer from the side-effects before his/her natural death, I'll stick with what the games and books shown.

So out of curiosity, other than a Bioware dev enacting a WoG, what would convince you? Because the wiki and Codex entries have already been shown I believe. 

 

Edit: I was wrong about the Codex. Here is the relevant part:

Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours.

 

So it seems the only part that isn't universal is the paranoia. 

[The Elder King]

So out of curiosity, other than a Bioware dev enacting a WoG, what would convince you? Because the wiki and Codex entries have already been shown I believe.

I don't recall that the codexes said definitely that all templars will suffer from side effects before their natural death. The lyrium codex entry stated that prolonged use causes the side-effects, but the templar codex stated that some templars suffer from those side-effect. So it isn't clear If every templar suffers those effects.
And I probably need WoG, since there are examples of old templars who still don't suffer from those side-effect.
Though to be clear, I don't care much of WoG confirms every templar will 100% suffer from those effects before their death.

[Milan92]

I don't think for a second that Cassandra would take lyrium out of need because she is addicted.

 

Hell, she is a Seeker. Do they even use lyrium at all?

 

People seem to take these specs way too seriously.

[The Elder King]

I don't think for a second that Cassandra would take lyrium out of need because she is addicted.
 
Hell, she is a Seeker. Do they even use lyrium at all?
 
People seem to take these specs way too seriously.

If she has templar abilities, she will use lyrium. Unless Seekers have a ritual that make them use those without lyrium, there's no way They can use those abilities without lyrium.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think for a second that Cassandra would take lyrium out of need because she is addicted.

 

Hell, she is a Seeker. Do they even use lyrium at all?

 

People seem to take these specs way too seriously.

The Seekers who were formerly Templars still do. Though Cassandra was a Seeker without being a Templar. Hence why I think she should be the Champion. 

 

Well, why shouldn't we take them seriously considering Bioware said specializations will affect the game?

[Milan92]

 

Well, why shouldn't we take them seriously considering Bioware said specializations will affect the game?

 

Because we will never see a scene where Cassandra is snorting lyrium or whatever way they consume it.

 

And I seriously doubt she would turn into a lyrium crazed lunatic that can't live without it at the end of the game.

 

I also believe Bioware said that only the specs of the inquisitor can change certain dialogue. They didn't say anything about the companions.

[The Elder King]

The Seekers who were formerly Templars still do. Though Cassandra was a Seeker without being a Templar. Hence why I think she should be the Champion. 
 
Well, why shouldn't we take them seriously considering Bioware said specializations will affect the game?

Well, Lambert didn't possess those abilities in TEvinter, so he learnt them after he joined the white Chantry. Cassandra might've learnt them in the years between DotS and DA2/DAI.

[The Elder King]

Because we will never see a scene where Cassandra is snorting lyrium or whatever way they consume it.
 
And I seriously doubt she would turn into a lyrium crazed lunatic that can't live without it at the end of the game.

That doesn't change the fact that WoG said lyrium is necessary.
I don't think either, but templars That don't stop assuming lyrium don't generally suffer from this, there are other side-effects That They might have.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because we will never see a scene where Cassandra is snorting lyrium or whatever way they consume it.

 

And I seriously doubt she would turn into a lyrium crazed lunatic that can't live without it at the end of the game.

We never see Isabela sleep around with other people either, yet we know she does it. And that really ruined my romance with her to the point that I don't do it. 

I'm afraid a similar situation will occur here, which is why I'm angry because I like really like Cassandra.

 

 

Well, Lambert didn't possess those abilities in TEvinter, so he learnt them after he joined the white Chantry. Cassandra might've learnt them in the years between DotS and DA2/DAI.

I know. That's what worries me.

[Milan92]

We never see Isabela sleep around with other people either, yet we know she does it. And that really ruined my romance with her to the point that I don't do it. 

I'm afraid a similar situation will occur here, which is why I'm angry because I like really like Cassandra.

 

But even if she does take lyrium? So what?

 

What is really the problem here? That she will become crazy?