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It's essentially religious.

 

The military force wasn't part of it at first. It might be something worth letting go. It's run it's course. Originally, the military elements were the Inquisition. After Andraste died, there were various Andrastian factions running around. The Chantry and the Inquisition were two of them. But the Inquisition were zealots when it came to hunting mages. The Chantry believed mages deserved dignity and could still contribute to society. 

 

The Chantry eventually managed to quell the Inquistion and incorporate them -- and they channeled that hatred into forming the Circles. They thought it was a compromise to protect mages and keep the mage hunters from acting like jackasses. This eventually became the Templar order.

 

It's kind of like a company merger.. but now the company has split up again into it's original elements. What the Chantry is now is back to it's original form.. a religious organization.

 

It's still political, though. The Chantry's denouncement of the Inquisitor is described as "politics" by Mike Laidlaw. Furthermore, Cullen and Josephine argue about the Chantry's diplomatic capacity (in that same link).

 

Divine Justinia, whom Cassandra trusted more than anyone else, was a political moderate who tried to negotiate peace between the mages and the templars. With her death (and those of thousands of others), the Chantry is experiencing political infighting. Cassandra no longer believes in the Chantry's ability to attend to the concerns of Thedas, especially the existential threat posed by the Breach. She spent over 20 years devoting herself to the Chantry.

 

The new Inquisition is decidedly political and areligious (and young), but Cassandra is part of it because it was planned by justinia. However, the uncertainty surrounding the organization (in the absence of the Divine) and the mysterious nature of the Inquisitor will presumably challenge her (political) beliefs.



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The Templars need to go back to the Chantry and the mages back to the Circle. There really is no other efficient solution to that particular problem besides killing upon discovery of magical talent. I'll take the former. 

 

I'd rather see the Templars done away with and the Seekers taking over the job. The Seekers are what the Templars should be (at least before they sided with Templars lol. Their original mission statement was better though).

 

I suppose they needed the least restrictive recruiting process and a lot of numbers, but it's hurt the Chantry in the longrun. Anyone with a hate on for mages can be a Templar it seems.. which isn't what they were supposed to do.



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The new Inquisition is decidedly political and areligious

 

I think the "areligious" depends on you. Whether you embrace the Herald title and all. 


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The Templars need to go back to the Chantry and the mages back to the Circle. There really is no other efficient solution to that particular problem besides killing upon discovery of magical talent. I'll take the former. 

 

The only solution is to have Tevinter Imperium come in and take all of Thedas back under its benevolent care. Chantry and templars will be abolished and mages will take their rightful place at the top of the society as new Magisters. Hail Imperium!



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nah, screw tevinter... its time for robot jesus


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I just wonder how strong her beliefs actually are if she is suddenly questioning them. She's nearly 40 years old and has spent much of her life surrounded by the teachings of Chantry. I can't help but think that she believes more in the structural power of the Chantry (having essentially been Thedas' hegemon and having maintained order for centuries), than its actual teachings. This would explain why she is questioning her beliefs in the absence of the Chantry's stabilizing influence. The Chantry's decline is a tangible representation of how her beliefs might be ill-conceived. The Inquisition is something new upon which she must place her faith.

 

I'm just hoping that Cassandra's "Believer" moniker represents something more complex than just religious faith, given David Gaider's talk of order and justice involved in Cassandra's character arc.

 

Speaking as a person who holds very firm religious convictions, and knows a lot of people who are similar, I can tell you that struggles with your faith can come just as easily when you're forty as when you're twenty. I see people in their fifties and sixties still struggling in their walks with faith. To me, it's never a sign of weak faith. It's a sign of faith being tested. And it hits each of us differently. Quite a few people experience a crisis upon the birth of their first child. Others when they first ponder the Big Questions, such as the Problem of Evil, or the Free Will vs. Predestination.

 

If Cassandra's faith is being tested, I am curious as to what aspect. I don't think it's going to be about whether or not the Maker exists or Andraste's teachings were true. Options I consider more likely include "Where did the Chantry/Templars/Seekers go wrong? How/why did we fail?", "Why do we even deserve the chance the Maker is giving us?", or "Can magic ever truly be ruled by man, and not rule over him?". None of these questions have an easy answer, but each of them can lead to the growth of Cassandras character. But I don't think any of them will involve her questioning her core beliefs in the Maker, order or justice. To her, I think those three things intertwine. They reinforce one another. To stop believing in one, to Cassandra, would be to throw out her foundation for the other two. At least, that's my view of what we know of her so far.


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The only solution is to have Tevinter Imperium come in and take all of Thedas back under its benevolent care. Chantry and templars will be abolished and mages will take their rightful place at the top of the society as new Magisters. Hail Imperium!

 

If they want it, they only need to try.

 

People don't just give into a system like that though. You have to conquer them.

 

"Sure! Let me just bend over the table here. Rule my body. Rule my life. This is so cool!!"



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I think the "areligious" depends on you. Whether you embrace the Herald title and all. 

 

Whether religious or areligious, the Inquisition is still a political organization trying to fill the power vacuum caused by the Chantry's decline.



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Whether religious or areligious, the Inquisition is still a political organization trying to fill the power vacuum caused by the Chantry's decline.

 

Sure, it's political.. but to say this isn't religious either.....Well, I'm not convinced.

 

In any case, my only point earlier was disputing the nature of the Chantry's military wing. Not necessarily politics. Just about everything in life is political.



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nah, screw tevinter... its time for robot jesus

Agreed. 

 

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The only solution is to have Tevinter Imperium come in and take all of Thedas back under its benevolent care. Chantry and templars will be abolished and mages will take their rightful place at the top of the society as new Magisters. Hail Imperium!


Yeah, Because every mage is a Magister in the Imperium. It's not like a lot of them still live in the Circles, which still apply the Harrowing, the Tranquility and the Annulment :whistle:.

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just gonna leave this here


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Cassandra does not approve of her thread turning to things that are not her.

Spoiler

 

:P

 

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Cassandra does not approve of her thread turning to things that are not her.

Spoiler

 

:P

 

source: http://vaahlkult.deviantart.com/

The coloring in that artwork is absolutely perfect. 



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Cassandra does not approve of her thread turning to things that are not her.

Spoiler

 

:P

 

source: http://vaahlkult.deviantart.com/

I like how the eye on the shield seems to be glaring too. :D



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I like how the eye on the shield seems to be glaring too. :D

Shield of Disapproval +5, sees much use when Cass is in the same party with Sera and Iron Bull :P



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Shield of Disapproval +5, sees much use when Cass is in the same party with Sera and Iron Bull :P

 

great my inquisitor's inner masochist is coming out, he wants cass to glare at him like trash some more



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Agreed. Notice the little (Cassandra Disapproves) thing at the tail end of that segment. Cassandra disagreed with something the Inquisitor said or did. And since the only thing they really said was that they weren't "the Herald of anything, especially not Andraste", I looked to me like Cassandra either believes that the Inquisitor had a divine encounter, or wants her to embrace it to encourage the troops. I'm leaning towards the former.

 

Cassandra might not disagree directly with the renouncing of the title. The answer given slight Andraste and Cassandra wouldn't be a fan of that. I doubt that Leliana and Cullen were that happy to hear "especially not Andraste" too (no idea about Josie, I don't know her yet).



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nah, screw tevinter... its time for robot jesus

 

It's always time for robot jesus!


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I laughed out loud at work. I'm in so much trouble (not really). Thanks for that.



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Cheery Cassandra is just so out of place, but that it very funny.

 

I'm still wondering why Leliana was trying to avoid using the term spymaster though.



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I'd rather see the Templars done away with and the Seekers taking over the job. The Seekers are what the Templars should be (at least before they sided with Templars lol. Their original mission statement was better though).

The Seekers already had control over the Templar Order, if not technically, in practice. Seekers oversee Templars. They always have. 

 

 

 
I suppose they needed the least restrictive recruiting process and a lot of numbers, but it's hurt the Chantry in the longrun. Anyone with a hate on for mages can be a Templar it seems.. which isn't what they were supposed to do.

That's actually not how Templar recruitment works at all. Also, as most Seekers come from the Templar Order, what exactly would this do?



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Cheery Cassandra is just so out of place, but that it very funny.

 

I'm still wondering why Leliana was trying to avoid using the term spymaster though.

I just think she was trying to sound smooth and Cassandra went and cramped her style.

 

I think her whole line would have been 'My position requires a degree of discretion and subterfuge', or something like that.



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I just think she was trying to sound smooth and Cassandra went and cramped her style.

 

I think her whole line would have been 'My position requires a degree of discretion and subterfuge', or something like that.

 

Technically, Leliana cramped Cassandra's style first. Cassandra is the one who bluntly described the position of the other two advisors.