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Débuté par Maria Caliban , mars 26 2014 12:53

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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 03:51

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http://www.uesp.net/..._and_the_Dunmer

 

This book was written by an unknown scholar as a guide for foreign visitors to Morrowind shortly after the Armistice was signed. Many of these practices have since fallen into disfavor. The most obvious changes are those regarding the practice of Necromancy and the Great Ghostfence. Dunmer today regard Necromancy upon any of the accepted races as an abomination. 

 

Okay book published right after the war between the Empire and Morrowind in the early days of the 3rd Era.

 

Those practices were still evident into Dummner occupied Solstheim in the Fourth Era.

 

o.o

 

LOL It was always practiced. The Armistice went like this.

 

Tiber Septim: I'm the Dragonborn. I'm going to become a God and **** you up.

Vivec: I know because I'm already a God and It's your destiny.

Tiber Septim: So what do we do?

Vivec: I give a you Dwemer Robot God, you let us rule ourselves, and we become part of your Empire in name. 

Tiber Septim: Deal.

 

Morrowind was always autonomous. After Martin Septim died the Empire stopped giving a **** completely. 


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#16577
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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 03:56

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LOL It was always practiced.

 

Explain the Dummner Catacombs where the practice of cremation is employed for veneration of Ancestor worship in place of Necromancy. Seriously Dummner settlement for centuries by this point.

 

A handful of houses not giving a **** about their traditions falling into disfavor doesn't mean that the entirety of the Dummner feel that way.

 

Especially considering the oblivion crisis which Morrowind was involved in; I honestly can't see them going back to Veneration of Daedra, it would about be like the Altmer doing it.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:02

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Morrowind seceded from the Empire they'll be practicing the old ways more fervently than ever.

Not true. The Empire never signed any treaties to release it. They never ruled it anyway. Otherwise, Skyrim would never be able to give away sovereign territory to it. 


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Explain the Dummner Catacombs where the practice of cremation is employed for veneration of Ancestor worship in place of Necromancy. Seriously Dummner settlement for centuries by this point.

 

A handful of houses not giving a **** about their traditions falling into disfavor doesn't mean that the entirety of the Dummner feel that way.

 

Especially considering the oblivion crisis which Morrowind was involved in; I honestly can't see them going back to Veneration of Daedra, it would about be like the Altmer doing it.

 

The Dunmer has always and will always practice Velothi traditions including Daedra worship. Expecting them not to is like expecting Nords not to worship Shor/Ysmir/Talos or whatever aspect of the Serpent happens to be popular.

 

The Dunmer don't call their Ancestral Worship necromancy, because it was officially outlawed by the Empire. But necromancy is precisely what Ancestral worship in Morrowind means. Now the Empire can pretty it up in their pamphlets all they want, but it doesn't stop it from being true.

 

At this point nobody cares about Morrowind anymore except for maybe the Argonians looking for revenge for eons of slavery. So I doubt anyone's going to go knocking anytime soon to tell them to knock it off. Especially since the Empire itself is in decline/rebuilding (depending on view point).


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:05

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Necromancy isn't outlawed by the Empire. Only the Dunmer outlawed it, as well as the Mage's Guild banning its members from performing it. Talos needs to smite the lot of you. 


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Not true. The Empire never signed any treaties to release it. They never ruled it anyway. Otherwise, Skyrim would never be able to give away sovereign territory to it. 

 

There was an Armistice. Morrowind was officially part of the Septim Empire, but Vivec bargained for it's autonomy. After the Red Year the Empire all but abandoned Morrowind. After the Great War the Empire wasn't in a position to strong arm them.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:08

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Necromancy isn't outlawed by the Empire. Only the Dunmer outlawed it, as well as the Mage's Guild banning its members from performing it. Talos needs to smite the lot of you. 

 

Necro's legality has fluctuated with the reigning Emperor/ress. Traven outlawed it in the Mage's Guild, that's on point. Necromancy is 'illegal' in Morrowind, but is still practiced as Ancestral Worship. As long as it's used for that it isn't illegal.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:09

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There was an Armistice. Morrowind was officially part of the Septim Empire, but Vivec bargained for it's autonomy. After the Red Year the Empire all but abandoned Morrowind. After the Great War the Empire wasn't in a position to strong arm them.

That doesn't really mean they get to leave the Empire more than anyone else. Skyrim gave Imperial Territory away, before the Ebony mines went dry. 

 

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Indeed. 


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That doesn't really mean they get to leave the Empire more than anyone else. Skyrim gave Imperial Territory away, before the Ebony mines went dry. 

 

I agree. But might makes right and if the Empire can't keep the human races from in-fighting there's no point to trying to reconquer elves. Especially the most badass ones on the continent. 


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:13

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Necro's legality has fluctuated with the reigning Emperor/ress. Traven outlawed it in the Mage's Guild, that's on point. Necromancy is 'illegal' in Morrowind, but is still practiced as Ancestral Worship. As long as it's used for that it isn't illegal.

I've seen nothing to suggest necromancy was ever outlawed my the Empire itself. Great House law also supersedes Imperial law, as per term of the Armistice. This is something the Dunmer did themselves. 


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I've seen nothing to suggest necromancy was ever outlawed my the Empire itself. Great House law also supersedes Imperial law, as per term of the Armistice. This is something the Dunmer did themselves. 

 

I'll need to check up on that. But like I've said numerous times necromancy and ancestral worship are the same thing by different names for different purposes.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:15

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Only in BSN can you read about Cass Tatas in the morning and be talking about Eldar scrolls in the same thread in the evening...


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:17

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The Dunmer has always and will always practice Velothi traditions including Daedra worship. 

 

I know, i just don't get it personally.

 

Why worship the creatures that attempted to obliterate you?

 

That said; I usually have my PC's revere a far more sinister force of destruction and inversely creation then  any Daedara so they aren't overly judgemental about it.

 

Also i will point a Dummner said that; not an imperial.

 

Disfavor; Indication that the evidence seems to favor, the only people who embraced Necromancy in Dummner Society were pretty sick bastards.

 

(In so far as what they did in Morrowind)

 

 

Especially since the Empire itself is in decline/rebuilding (depending on view point).

 

The world is better off without it.


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I know, i just don't get it personally.

 

Why worship the creatures that attempted to obliterate you?

 

Because the Daedra represent change. And by embracing change as opposed to stasis they can know their limitations and how to overcome them which is the point of Lorkhan's experiment. 

 

That and Boethiah, Mephala, Azura guided them from Summerset to Morrowind and taught them how to survive.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:23

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Only in BSN can you read about Cass Tatas in the morning and be talking about Eldar scrolls in the same thread in the evening...


The first one of those things is on-topic and interesting. The second one is neither.

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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:30

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The first one of those things is on-topic and interesting. The second one is neither.

agreed and i like TES

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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:34

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Did you just say boobs, pixilated boobs, are more interesting than the history of the Empire of Man? Get out. 


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:36

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Did you just say boobs, pixilated boobs, are more interesting than the history of the Empire of Man? Get out.

if it had pixilated boobs id pay more attention but im redguard.. i dont care lol
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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:39

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...What even about this is Necromancy?

 

F*ck, and I'm STILL going to pick it because of the name.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:42

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if it had pixilated boobs id pay more attention but im redguard.. i dont care lol

 

Random Imperial i never end up following:"Captain! What about him? He's not on the list..."

 

Imperial Captain i immensely enjoy gutting: "Forget the list he goes to the block."


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:46

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Random Imperial i never end up following:"Captain! What about him? He's not on the list..."
 
Imperial Captain i immensely enjoy gutting: "Forget the list he goes to the block."

i was so pissed when i go sent to the chopping block for nothing. Since when is hopping the border into skyrim a crime XD i want my advocate

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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:47

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i was so pissed when i go sent to the chopping block for nothing. Since when is hopping the border into skyrim a crime XD i want my advocate

 

Well the Altmer, Dummner, Argonians  and alike i can understand...

 

Drug dealers and uppity elves *shudders*

 

Not in my Skyrim!


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:48

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i was so pissed when i go sent to the chopping block for nothing. Since when is hopping the border into skyrim a crime XD i want my advocate

Sorry, the lawyer's running a bit late.  They should be here in an hour or so.  Anyways, off to the ax.


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Posté 12 novembre 2014 - 04:51

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I agree. But might makes right and if the Empire can't keep the human races from in-fighting there's no point to trying to reconquer elves. Especially the most badass ones on the continent. 

Pretty sure the Altmer and Bosmer outrank them. :P


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