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[Gwydden]

The thing is, They DO rule.

 

Said as much in WOT.

 

I'm asking why would they depose the longest running dynasty in Thedas in a Nation where its immensely popular?

 

Seems like asking for a revolution to me, but then again people in DA tend to do stupid ****.

Well, from the wiki:

 

The current ruler of the nation is Markus Pentaghast, an old man of weak health and uncertain sanity. His rule has been condemned by those who claim his Mortalitasi advisers are ruling through him, much as Ionas's did so long ago. Pentaghast and Van Markham relatives alike are vying to replace the old king, but some say it is time for the two ruling families to cede power to a new family. Ferdinand Pentaghast, younger brother of Markus, is the next in line to rule. However he is also old and has no interest in ruling, and neither brother have any known children. The future of the Pentaghast dynasty hangs in the balance.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, from the wiki:

 

Hrm i thought they were condemning him for having Markham advisers, no idea what family Mortalitasi is.

 

Though given they have been marrying into each for a while now i suppose that wouldn't make over much sense.

 

Still I'd say the Pentaghast line has a fair chance of continuing

 

If nothing else perhaps the Inquisition can install a new ruler.

 

 

Preferably of similar spectrum

[Gwydden]

Hrm i thought they were condemning him for having Markham advisers, no idea what family Mortalitasi is.

 

Though given they have been marrying into each for a while now i suppose that wouldn't make over much sense.

 

Still I'd say the Pentaghast line has a fair chance of continuing

 

If nothing else perhaps the Inquisition can install a new ruler.

 

 

Preferably of similar spectrum

If I understand correctly, the mortalitasi are the Nevarran embalmers.

 

Rather disturbing, I can't help but think necromancers.

[Master Warder Z_]

If I understand correctly, the mortalitasi are the Nevarran embalmers.

 

Rather disturbing, I can't help but think necromancers.

 

I really need to keep rereading WOT.

 

*sigh* all this stuff i and i keep missing it.

[Enshaid]

If I understand correctly, the mortalitasi are the Nevarran embalmers.

 

Rather disturbing, I can't help but think necromancers.

Well they bury the corpses in great tombs and let spirits possess them so... pretty much.

[Gwydden]

I do think that if Nevarra features prominently we will get a chance to deal with the succession crisis and the Mortalitasi definitely will play a role, especially with the Mage-Templar War going on. I would like to take a look at the Grand Necropolis. If so, Cassandra will be our personal link with this particular subplot, and yes, I think she might be a candidate for the throne.

 

Let's add that to DAI's potential subplots, right there with the mage rebellion, the Orlesian Civil War, and the elven uprising. Weren't we supposed to put an end to chaos?

[AresKeith]

You know i have been curious about that.

If hasn't been changed overly its going to be a meeting of some of the most martially capable people in the entire continent.

Knight Commanders, Senior Mages, Chantry Seekers.

I have been wondering, what COULD overwhelm such people?

Demons thus far haven't been over much threat to senior level warriors unless if the plot has demanded it, gameplay or lore wise.

How about a group of demons and the people responsible for the Veil Tears?

[Master Warder Z_]

Marrying Cass and getting a throne in the process

 

Two for the price of one, My Lawful evil inquisitors ambition approves.

[LobselVith8]

I have a hypothesis. I think Cassandra will be our secondary protagonist, in the same way that Alistair and Varric were (and to a lesser extent Morrigan); she'll have a role to play throughout the plot as a whole and won't be able to leave, if ever, until the very end. She'll be part of the Inquisition almost as much as the PC is, I think...

And as to why that is? This is more of a guess, but it would seem to me that the Chantry might now be in utter shambles and unable to exert any power in an organized fashion. Perhaps the Divine is dead and there's a power struggle; perhaps only the struggle. Perhaps the templars are taking over portions of the Chantry. In any case, Cassandra might decide to help rebuild the Inquisition solely because it's the only force that might be capable of restoring some sort of order... and, after this, have only hope that this order will include the Chantry.

For players who aren't inclined to side with the Chantry, I'm wondering why Cassandra would be a mandatory ally. I would have to assume that Cassandra would realize that a Vashoth or Dalish protagonist may not be inclined to help the Chantry or the Divine, especially since the player isn't "a puppet of the church" and the Inquisition is created "in opposition" to the Chantry.

I suppose if Cassandra is neutral and no longer tied to the Divine, I can see it not being an issue, but so far, it seems odd to have a mandatory companion who has ties to an organization that the player may strongly detest (which would make her the opposite of Alistair, who was a member of a neutral organization - the Wardens).

Just wondering why the Inquisitor would take her on as an ally. It's not like the main character is going to have the same frame of reference about Cassandra (or Varric) that the player does. If you're Vashoth or Dalish, a member of an evemy organization is basically extending a hand, and I think some would be hesitant to trust that gesture when Cassandra is (most likely) a complete stranger to them.

[TheLittleBird]

Well, I'm not really sure we'll get to do something like that (regarding the Nevarran throne thing). I mean, the Inquisition just really is there to stop this Fade Invasion, right? Then, if we would meddle in the choosing of a new king/queen of a country, that would be the second time in three DA games that we'd get to do something that lies outside of our.... 'jurisdiction'- yeah, let's just call it that.

[Gwydden]

Well, I'm not really sure we'll get to do something like that (regarding the Nevarran throne thing). I mean, the Inquisition just really is there to stop this Fade Invasion, right? Then, if we would meddle in the choosing of a new king/queen of a country, that would be the second time in three DA games that we'd get to do something that lies outside of our.... 'jurisdiction'- yeah, let's just call it that.

I'm not saying we will. But we will indeed have to rally different factions to fight the demon invasion. That will require solving conflicts, which will likely require taking sides. Don't you think we will be able to do so in the Mage-Templar War and in the fight between Celene and Gaspard? The real question, I'd say, is whether Nevarra will be another significant subplot.

[The Elder King]

Gaider stated that the PC won't become king/queen as a possible DAI outcome.

[Enshaid]

Well, I'm not really sure we'll get to do something like that (regarding the Nevarran throne thing). I mean, the Inquisition just really is there to stop this Fade Invasion, right? Then, if we would meddle in the choosing of a new king/queen of a country, that would be the second time in three DA games that we'd get to do something that lies outside of our.... 'jurisdiction'- yeah, let's just call it that.

Yeah, but meddling in affairs that don't concern them is what the protagonist in an rpg is best at.

[Master Warder Z_]

For players who aren't inclined to side with the Chantry, I'm wondering why Cassandra would be a mandatory ally. I would have to assume that Cassandra would realize that a Vashoth or Dalish protagonist may not be inclined to help the Chantry or the Divine, especially since the player isn't "a puppet of the church" and the Inquisition is created "in opposition" to the Chantry.

I suppose if Cassandra is neutral and no longer tied to the Divine, I can see it not being an issue, but so far, it seems odd to have a mandatory companion who has ties to an organization that the player may strongly detest (which would make her the opposite of Alistair, who was a member of a neutral organization - the Wardens).

Just wondering why the Inquisitor would take her on as an ally. It's not like the main character is going to have the same frame of reference about Cassandra (or Varric) that the player does. If you're Vashoth or Dalish, a member of an evemy organization is basically extending a hand, and I think some would be hesitant to trust that gesture when Cassandra is (most likely) a complete stranger to them.

 

Really Lob? This again? That said i understand where the position comes from, but Dang we get it you don't support the ****ing chantry.

 

Ashe of Insanity on Youtube actually provided some fairly musing insights into that possibility.

 

She supported the notion that while the Chantry may or may not approve of certain actions, Cass as the hand of the Divine and Hero of Orlais wouldn't support particular actions, while overall the mission statement of the new inquisition is to stop the veil tears, going beyond that station risks her withdrawing her support and participation.

 

I'd say that would likely ring true in DAI, if certain missions or objectives went against the organizations and oaths she has promised herself to, she likely wouldn't condone or be party to the action, even if she remained she likely would only do so to end the crisis.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaider stated that the PC won't become king/queen as a possible DAI outcome.

 

Where? I don't recall such a thing.

[The Elder King]

Where? I don't recall such a thing.

It was last year, in a thread that specifically asked for it (well, for Orlais). I'll try to find it.

[LobselVith8]

Really Lob? This again? That said i understand where the position comes from, but Dang we get it you don't support the ****ing chantry.

I'm not looking to debate the pros and cons of the Chantry. I'm genuinely curious how this may be addressed if the protagonist isn't in favor of the Chantry, which is why I wondered if Cassandra may be a neutral agent once the veil tears take place.

Ashe of Insanity on Youtube actually provided some fairly musing insights into that possibility.

She supported the notion that while the Chantry may or may not approve of certain actions, Cass as the hand of the Divine and Hero of Orlais wouldn't support particular actions, while overall the mission statement of the new inquisition is to stop the veil tears, going beyond that station risks her withdrawing her support and participation.

I'd say that would likely ring true in DAI, if certain missions or objectives went against the organizations and oaths she has promised herself to, she likely wouldn't condone or be party to the action, even if she remained she likely would only do so to end the crisis.

But why would a Vashoth or Dalish accept her help by default? It's not like the main character is in the same position the player is, to actually know who she is. She's a member of an organization the player could be opposed to.

Therefore, I'm curious how this might be addressed.

[TheLittleBird]

Yeah, but meddling in affairs that don't concern them is what the protagonist in an rpg is best at.

 

That is true, haha.

 

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Yeah, we're going to be solving conflicts, but this just doesn't feel like something we'd do, since it sort of mimicks the whole Loghain/Alistair thing.

[Master Warder Z_]

But why would a Vashoth or Dalish accept her help by default? It's not like the main character is in the same position the player is, to actually know who she is. She's a member of an organization the player could be opposed to.

Therefore, I'm curious how this might be addressed.

 

Because her help might be required at the situation you encounter her or varric or both of them in? A mutual temporary alliance could boom into something else, we don't know how its planned to be portrayed as an introduction yet, point being though casting her aside with out a second thought when allies are always a boon seems more like a PC shortcoming then any serious misgiving.

 

And curiousity Aside, hoping for the chance to reject her help merely because certain people seem to not care for the Chantry, seems like an interaction that most wouldn't prefer, but that said it wouldn't be odd for DAI to be like its predecessors in the regard that can you turn them down, you can reject companions wouldn't be surprised if it could happen again despite again you know, the PC usually needing all the help they can get.

[LobselVith8]

Because her help might be required at the situation you encounter her or varric or both of them in? A mutual temporary alliance could boom into something else, we don't know how its planned to be portrayed as an introduction yet, point being though casting her aside with out a second thought when allies are always a boon seems more like a PC shortcoming then any serious misgiving.

True, we don't know, which is what makes me curious about it.

And curiousity Aside, hoping for the chance to reject her help merely because certain people seem to not care for the Chantry, seems like an interaction that most wouldn't prefer, but that said it wouldn't be odd for DAI to be like its predecessors in the regard that can you turn them down, you can reject companions wouldn't be surprised if it could happen again despite again you know, the PC usually needing all the help they can get.

It's more akin to how a pro-templar Hawke should have been able to reject apostate companions, instead of being forced to accept them because the Plot dictates.

[Master Warder Z_]

True, we don't know, which is what makes me curious about it.


It's more akin to how a pro-templar Hawke should have been able to reject apostate companions, instead of being forced to accept them because the Plot dictates.

 

DA 2 was odd in that regard but you could reject several companions from joining you or cast them aside once certain situations occurred.

[Gwydden]

It was last year, in a thread that specifically asked for it (well, for Orlais). I'll try to find it.

What I recall him saying is that it won't be possible to marry Celene or Gaspard.

[Master Warder Z_]

What I recall him saying is that it won't be possible to marry Celene or Gaspard.

 

Cass better be rommancable, Marriage or no is all i am saying, i will write SO much depressed fanfiction if she isn't.

 

I mean it will be something for the ages, let me tell you.

[The Elder King]

What I recall him saying is that it won't be possible to marry Celene or Gaspard.

Hmm, you could be right.

[Maria Caliban]

Just wondering why the Inquisitor would take her on as an ally. It's not like the main character is going to have the same frame of reference about Cassandra (or Varric) that the player does. If you're Vashoth or Dalish, a member of an evemy organization is basically extending a hand, and I think some would be hesitant to trust that gesture when Cassandra is (most likely) a complete stranger to them.

You're attempting to resurrect a long dead organization, gather recruits, spread across a good chunk of the continent, and save the world from whatever is causing the Veil tears.

You know what would help? Being an ally of one of the oldest, widely spread, and influential groups in Thedas.