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[Bayonet Hipshot]

I agree with you; i'm just pointing out that it is only natural for her to you know, come to a person that actually is of her world in so far as belief.

 

At least in part; For example i looked at some of the Dalish dialogue were a PC can acknowledge they believe in BOTH pantheons and she approves of that.

 

Because you aren't dismissing a central focus of her life, acting like she is a moron for believing in God.

 

The problem comes when you do not believe in any gods...Then I honestly think the best option there is to be a bachelor...

[The Loyal Nub]

I agree with you; i'm just pointing out that it is only natural for her to you know, come to a person that actually is of her world in so far as belief.

 

At least in part; For example i looked at some of the Dalish dialogue were a PC can acknowledge they believe in BOTH pantheons and she approves of that.

 

Because you aren't dismissing a central focus of her life, acting like she is a moron for believing in God.

 

I disagree. Lots of romances are made with people who do not agree on all things. I did not support Cassandra's desire to turn to the Templars. I am also not certain I am the chosen one however I have also told her I believe in the Maker and I have also told her I support her wish to restore peace and order. We're on the same page on most things but we do not have to be 100% in agreement for my Inquisitor to find her attractive. That's not even how real life works. I've been in a relationship now for ten years and I don't agree with every viewpoint my partner has and she certainly doesn't agree with all of mine!

[Br3admax]

The problem comes when you do not believe in any gods...Then I honestly think the best option there is to be a bachelor...

You're living in a world where a ton, most, of people are religious. If that's the type of character you choose to play, don't get mad when people become angry.

[Master Warder Z_]

You're living in a world where a ton, most, of people are religious. If that's the type of character you choose to play, don't get mad when people become angry.

 

I could have told him that...i have personal experience with what...religion can drive some people to do in the name of their faith when they believe it is challenged.

 

 

I disagree. Lots of romances are made with people who do not agree on all things

 

I didn't say you couldn't disagree.

 

In fact argument, debate, one can argue is healthy for a relationship.

 

But that isn't what an Inquizzy can do.

 

They can actually Harass Cass about believing in the Maker.

 

Hence me pointing out why she wouldn't want to have much to do with said person.

[The Loyal Nub]

I could have told him that...i have personal experience with what...religion can drive some people to do in the name of their faith when they believe it is challenged.

 

 

 

I didn't say you couldn't disagree.

 

In fact argument, debate, one can argue is healthy for a relationship.

 

But that isn't what an Inquizzy can do.

 

They can actually Harass Cass about believing in the Maker.

 

Hence me pointing out why she wouldn't want to have much to do with said person.

 

Ok I misunderstood you then. You're right that if you harass her for her beliefs then you cannot expect her to like you. I've merely disagreed with her on some tactical things but on the whole I agree with what she wants and in a sense to rock the Inquisitor the right way you sort of have to unless your role-playing a complete cynic which is possible but doesn't make much sense in the scheme of things.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You're living in a world where a ton, most, of people are religious. If that's the type of character you choose to play, don't get mad when people become angry.

 

What can I say...The plight of the intelligent thinking man who, in an age where people cling to their faith like a scared child clings to their mother, has shown capability to think logically, to think rationally...and to conclude that this whole Maker idea, this whole Herald idea is bullshite...and that we should strive to be more rational...

 

Heck, even Solas and Morrigan support this notion somewhat..Both of them say things along these lines...We just think of them as gods but we do not know what they are or what they truly are...

 

Ah well...if anything, it just shows the quality, or the lack of it, in the women in Thedas...

[Br3admax]

The only thing I feel I really disagree on is I actually like the Chantry. I'm not interested in too many reforms or revolution (like Leli). And that Justinia was dangerous in some ways.

 

edit: Nor do I have the courage to full embrace the whole Herald thing and remake world. I just want it back how it was. I'm not the equvailent of Andraste. That's just Pride to me.

Spoiler

Well I got Vivienne to be Divine, so reform probably won't be happening. Mages still have more freedom.

[Isthovarn]

The only thing I feel I really disagree on is I actually like the Chantry. I'm not interested in too many reforms or revolution (like Leli). And that Justinia was dangerous in some ways.

 

edit: Nor do I have the courage to full embrace the whole Herald thing and remake world. I just want it back how it was. I'm not the equvailent of Andraste. That's just Pride to me.

support Vivienne is the best choice

[Master Warder Z_]

Belief in a singular God has done more for Thedas then any amount of science or rationality.

 

It tied together eight nations under a single banner, it created an institution that mandated a shared culture value, provided common cause, common allegiance.

 

So yes Isten.

 

The Maker and the belief in him have shown the quality of Thedas; it shows its far better off under that belief then it would be without it.

 

Unless if you want to go back to eating rocks and screaming at the sky anyway.

 

And Solas is a bloody hypocrite i'll point out.

 

Exile himself why doesn't him; Maker i wish i could have fed him a yard of steel into the gullet.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Belief in a singular God has done more for Thedas then any amount of science or rationality.

 

It tied together eight nations under a single banner, it created an institution that mandated a shared culture value, provided common cause, common allegiance.

 

So yes Isten.

 

The Maker and the belief in him have shown the quality of Thedas; it shows its far better off under that belief then it would be without it.

 

Unless if you want to go back to eating rocks and screaming at the sky anyway.

 

And Solas is a bloody hypocrite i'll point out.

 

Exile himself why doesn't him; Maker i wish i could have fed him a yard of steel into the gullet.

 

Unite under a single banner ? Gotta love the idealistic Disney Princess...Idealism is one thing, reality is another...

 

If they are united, why do they fight all the time ? Seems odd...That indicates a lack of unity...

 

If they are so cohesive why are they so hostile to a different interpretation, which is what Tevinter does...

 

So it was the belief in Maker that founded healing magic ? Medicine ? Construction ? Printing Press ? Writing ? Transportation ? Forging ? I think not my dear. 

 

Eating rocks and screaming at the sky ? Isn't that something the faithful will do ? 

 

There was this line that you as the Inquisitor can say :- "All of this happened because of fanatics and arguments about the next world, its time we start believing in this one". That is essentially a call to ditch faith and be more realistic....

 

Solas is not a hypocrite. He, like Morrigan, correctly states that we do not know what these gods are or who these gods are or why are they even gods in the first place ? They did not create this world, did not bring life, etc. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Spoiler

That dude is beyond a hypocrite. He's the freaking Trickster.

 

Varric was spot on calling him Chuckles... even though he called sarcastic Hawke that too.

 

Amazing revelation btw

 

He is labeled as Trickster but his actions does not show that. 

 

He seems to be genuinely interested in helping the People to be equal and be at peace....

 

He just goes about it in a weird way..

[Master Warder Z_]

[spoiler] That dude is beyond a hypocrite. He's the freaking Trickster./spoiler]

 

That doesn't excuse it.

 

Speaking of what he viewed as right while condemning the world.

 

Honestly i think its about time for one less "God" in the world.

[Br3admax]

Spoiler

That dude is beyond a hypocrite. He's the freaking Trickster.

 

Varric was spot on calling him Chuckles... even though he called sarcastic Hawke that too.

 

Amazing revelation btw

Spoiler

Well considering the only actual Elvhen say the Dread Wolf is not infact a Trickster, I'm willing to think Solas is doing the right thing, at least.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

So it was the belief in Maker that founded healing magic ? Medicine ? Construction ? Printing Press ? Writing ? Transportation ? Forging ? I think not my dear. 

 

If you want to look at it that way; Well the first true schools of magic were employed by the Imperium after its conquest of the old elven empire, the circles as we know them came to be after Andraste toppled the Imperium and led the way to the Chantry, so Healing magic as it exists now?

 

Exists solely because of the belief in the Maker.

 

Construction? Well let's look back shall we?

 

Prior to the Second Blight; and even after it building was a crude and unrefined process, sure harp the Imperium all you wish, but the point remains that the buildings constructed back then didn't have the modern practices, belief and material of modern builders, the Imperium had centuries in which to improve this practices prior to the arrival of Andraste, and while some of their buildings have weathered, most have not, while on the other hand?

 

You have non dwarven structures constructed after the first and second blight, that still stand are in decent repair.

 

So is their a direct correlation? I suppose you could argue it.

 

The printing press well that is something of a matter of debate no? I mean the Dwarves invented that before the arrival of Andraste, so its hardly relevant to the argument, i mean if it doesn't exist at least until the cult of the maker, then how could the followers of the beliefs of said faith actually do anything about it?

 

Writing or at least some takes on written language is also a gift from the dwarves.

 

Transportation? Well this goes back to the issue of buildings to be honest, vessels have certainly improved in the last thousand years, and given how involved the Chantry is/was in commerce i wouldn't be surprised if they actually were behind a few innovations.

 

Smithing,  curious you would mention that when the Chantry were the first organization to mass produce enchanting and rune crafting, by the dwarves own admission only a handful of smith houses actually bother with the art.

[azarhal]

The only thing I feel I really disagree on is I actually like the Chantry. I'm not interested in too many reforms or revolution (like Leli). And that Justinia was dangerous in some ways.

 

In some Cass/Vivienne banter, Cassandra talks about Justinia after Vivienne asked her how well she knew her. Cass says that if the Grand Cleric had known she was that much of a reformist she wouldn't have been elected.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hence why he needs to die.

 

Those beliefs don't need to exist in a world like Thedas.

[Br3admax]

He needs to die because of his beliefs? Really? Way to be the pot calling the kettle black. 

[Master Warder Z_]

He needs to die because of his beliefs?

 

Just like the Qunari.

 

It isn't like i haven't expressed this view a multitude of times my friend, just never directed it to a character from a game that just released a few days ago.