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Guest_StreetMagic_*
Just like the Qunari.
It isn't like i haven't expressed this view a multitude of times my friend, just never directed it to a character from a game that just released a few days ago.
Ah.. you're Warder!
Bread compared me to you earlier. lol.. I can see it now.
Hell yeah he does. I mean, if you come from the Chantry viewpoint, then he does. Spirits are the jealous firstborn, and don't belong here. Especially not the level he wants.
No one needs to die for beliefs.
Just like the Qunari.
It isn't like i haven't expressed this view a multitude of times my friend, just never directed it to a character from a game that just released a few days ago.
The Qunari need to die for attacking Thedas, not their beliefs.
Ah.. you're Warder!
Bread compared me to you earlier. lol.. I can see it now.
o.o
I'm also a fan of the Cerberus Organization from Mass Effect.
I tend to be fairly pro human.
In both universes that equates to ensuring their continued strength; which means the destruction of rivals, the ensuring of stability, the keeping of order and peace.
o.o Hence why i think a Theocratic Empire with the Chantry at the heart of it would probably be the best thing to ever happen to Thedas.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
No one needs to die for beliefs.
The Qunari need to die for attacking Thedas, not their beliefs.
Nah. I think both.
Either way, we're all going to have to reckon with them sooner or later. Like it or not.
@Warder
I'm not a big fan of Cerberus though. They screwed over too many of their own kind to get where they are. I'm a big Jack fan btw.
Nah. I think both.
Either way, we're all going to have to reckon with them sooner or later. Like it or not.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
No one needs to die for beliefs.
The Qunari need to die for attacking Thedas, not their beliefs.
They do when they bring those beliefs with conquest, and basically want to "tranquilize" the entire planet with said beliefs.
There's no way to truly coexist with them. They won't allow it. So I won't either.
The Qunari need to die for attacking Thedas, not their beliefs.
Which spring from their beliefs.
Honestly my friend if you don't agree i'll respect that, but some ideas, some notions, some manner of thought aren't helpful.
Which spring from their beliefs.
It springs from survival. It's a fact of human/hamburger nature to want to survive.
Honestly my friend if you don't agree i'll respect that, but some ideas, some notions, some manner of thought aren't helpful.
Of course they aren't and when they flare up, you stamp out the embers. Lighting another fire to starve it out should be the last resort.
I think people have. You just farm approval.
I don't know how faithfully they're "RP'ing" though. To me, it's just a gamey way to go about it. I already expressed disappointment about this earlier, so I won't continue.
Can you please stop saying that?
Cassandra has whole dialogues dedicated to a Romancing Inquisitor who happens to disagree with her on the religious level.
Its clear that the developers intended for some players to follow that path.
And Cassandra herself isnt the extremist you seem to think of her, she can change and that change is an option in the game.
As i explained earlier, is perfectly fine to help the mages and be against the chantry, as long as you agree with her on the "serious" stuff, such as her more direct approach to problems.
I am role playing that character as of now, he basically a human noble and a "Agnostic Paladin of Justice" (silly name, i know), he fits perfectly with the story and with romancing Cassy.
Both see that the world needs fixing, both think politicking is a waste of time, both came from Rich families and they would hate to follow that life, both like romanticism, etc
While my Inquisitor supports the mages and think they can govern themselves, Cassy thinks they might need a bit more control (but if you havent noticed, she isnt a extremist on that matter, not like Vivienne anyways), so its a very minor disagreement there (but hell, Cassandra even supports you after you rescue the mages, as she sees how the Templars were wrong (you know, red templars and stuff).
In the end, Cassy sees the mages in a much better light, she even completely goes against the Seeker code and would be willing to make the Tranquil "cure" public.
Her faith and willpower also falters during the "find the Seekers" quest and your Inquisitor can heavily influence her during that moment. I personally went with the more neutral approach of saying "Maybe you should forget the Seekers" but then i followed up with the romance dialogue option of saying that in the end, she is a good person and whatever she decides, my Inquisitor will fully support".
The only real thing that my PC and her disagree veemently is on the Religious matter, but again, being religious isnt the sole defining characteristic of Cassandra.
Some please stop saying its just "farming approval", the game presents plenty of role playing oportunities for Cassy to change, its not gamey unless you think those opotunities shouldnt be there.
On a side note, we can now officially proclaim that Street and Warder were indeed separated at birth. Not that I myself disagree with most of what they are saying.
Why does the Cassandra thread always bring out messed up posts? 
Guest_StreetMagic_*
On a side note, we can now officially proclaim that Street and Warder were indeed separated at birth. Not that I myself disagree with most of what they are saying.
That's fine by me. My actual real brother is an ass.
Can you please stop saying that?
Cassandra has whole dialogues dedicated to a Romancing Inquisitor who happens to disagree with her on the religious level.
Its clear that the developers intended for some players to follow that path.
And Cassandra herself isn't the extremist you seem to think of her, she can change and that change is an option in the game.
As i explained earlier, is perfectly fine to help the mages and be against the chantry, as long as you agree with her on the "serious" stuff, such as her more direct approach to problems.
I am role playing that character as of now, is basically a "Agnostic Paladin of Justice" (silly name, i know), he fits perfectly with the story and with romancing Cassy.
Both see that the world needs fixing, both think politicking is a waste of time, both came from Rich families and they hate that life, both like romanticism, etc
While my Inquisitor supports the mages and think they can govern themselves, Cassy thinks they might need a bit more control (but if you havent noticed, she isnt a extremist on that matter, not like Vivienne anyways).
The only real thing that my PC and her disagree veemently is on the Religious matter, but again, being religious isnt the sole defining characteristic of Cassandra.
Wow really ? That practically removed the biggest issue I had with romancing Cassandra. With that gone or practically negated then the path is clear...
Could you be a sweet dear and post videos ? I would very much appreciated it.
Thanks for clarifying btw...
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Can you please stop saying that?
Cassandra has whole dialogues dedicated to a Romancing Inquisitor who happens to disagree with her on the religious level.
Its clear that the developers intended for some players to follow that path.
And Cassandra herself isnt the extremist you seem to think of her, she can change and that change is an option in the game.
As i explained earlier, is perfectly fine to help the mages and be against the chantry, as long as you agree with her on the "serious" stuff, such as her more direct approach to problems.
I am role playing that character as of now, is basically a "Agnostic Paladin of Justice" (silly name, i know), he fits perfectly with the story and with romancing Cassy.
Both see that the world needs fixing, both think politicking is a waste of time, both came from Rich families and they hate that life, both like romanticism, etc
While my Inquisitor supports the mages and think they can govern themselves, Cassy thinks they might need a bit more control (but if you havent noticed, she isnt a extremist on that matter, not like Vivienne anyways).
The only real thing that my PC and her disagree veemently is on the Religious matter, but again, being religious isnt the sole defining characteristic of Cassandra.
I didn't say she was an extremist. I already know she's openminded. But the extent it's being taken to now is ridiculous.
And yes, religion does matter. Especially when you've dedicated your life and career to it. She isn't just some casual religious person you meet at a party or something. As if you're trading opinions on spaghetti recipes.
I didn't say she was an extremist. I already know she's openminded. But the extent it's being taken to now is ridiculous.
And yes, religion does matter. Especially when you've dedicated your life and career to it. She isn't just some casual religious person you meet at a party or something. As if you're trading opinions on spaghetti recipes.
And i think the events she went through really do change one's perspective on religion.
Specially since she is accompaning a man that is completely against what she belives (again, religiously speaking) and that man is succeding in his quest (and his objectives coincide with hers). The Inquisitor's sucess to her is like hard proof that you dont need religion doctrine for good to prevail (again, "good" is subjective, of course, but in case of my Inquisitor, its pretty much the same "good" Cassy is trying to achieve).
To me it never felt Cassandra was really that much religious (at least not in the preachy manner), She goes against the Chantry for crying out loud, she follows a "heretical" leader.
What stroke me as Cassandra's most prominent characteristic is her her strong will to do the right thing when it is needed.
Cassandra, while a Seeker, isnt a Chantry cleric, her militaristic nature is much more predominant than her religious one, afterall being a Seeker is much less about religious doctrine and more about combat prowess.
And lets not forget the huge betrayal that was when she found out about the Seeker's dark secrets.
To me Cassy was shown a new perspective to life, one that leaves the Chantry (as a institution) and the Seekers aside (apparently, i convinced her to disband them) and focuses more on personal belief (Cassandra still belives i was sent by the Maker, but that is a personal belief, not because she thinks much of the Chantry), my Inquisitor is extremly sympathetic to her in that regard, while not beliving on that stuff he still admires her willpower that she has to do the things she needs to do. If that willpower comes from religious faith or not, it doesnt matter.
To me the option "I belive that you belive" that you get with her is prime example of that atitude.
Maybe we had very diferent experiences with her during the game? Because somethings your saying about her are very distant from what i got of her character.
Oh, another thing that you might not be aware, if you go the more "agnostic/atheist" route and romance Cassandra like i did, after some cutscenes, she basically understand your diferent stance on andrastian faith and you no longer lose disapproval when your choose the more "anti-chantry" dialogues (of course, the extremely harsh ones still get her upset). For example, i was able to openly say she shouldnt become the Divine and didint lost approval at all.
I actually had 2 playthroughs, one where i didint pay much attention to Cassy and the current one where i romanced her. The dialogues between "understanding cassy" and "still very religious cassy" in the regard of the Divine election are diferent.
I am pretty sure she isnt the only one that gets diferent dialogues depending on your Inquisitor's personality/Dialogue choices you had with your comapnions.
Never saw a reason my character would not believe in the Maker. No reason in pretending not to when it's not me personally in the game, although I'm "religious" irl.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Maybe we had very diferent experiences with her during the game? Because somethings your saying about her are very distant from what i got of her character.
It's not just my experiences. It's other players I've observed.
My opinion really turned when I saw a vid with some Juggalo looking Qunari in facepaint, who didn't believe anything she said, having sex with her.
No actual author would write a scene like that. It's narratively implausible and stupid. Yet it's come down to this. She's become a tool in everyone's hands. The people who like her, the people don't care much, the people who think it's all for the lulz.. Anyone can achieve with Cassandra. She likes you no matter what, as long as you game it.
Cassandra, why do you give me approval when I flirt with you as a lady? Unless Bioware was trolling me this entire time and I can actually romance you, you're being a tease, lol.
And as for the religious thing, for some people her just believing in the Maker is enough to proclaim she's an "extremist", which is absurd, because I've actually found her to be very accepting and open minded, sometimes even doubtful. I don't get how the extremist IRL atheist perspective can bleed over into a fantasy setting with demons and mages...
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Cassandra, why do you give me approval when I flirt with you as a lady? Unless Bioware was trolling me this entire time and I can actually romance you, you're being a tease, lol.
I still think it's lame she isn't open to you girls. When she's pretty much made inclusive in the most ridiculous aspects. Yet not that one where she has real fans.
edit: Speaking of which, I haven't seen Maria (thread creator) since she was announced male only. And that's a goddamn shame.
Just saying.
I still think it's lame she isn't open to you girls. When she's pretty much made inclusive in the most ridiculous aspects. Yet not that one where she has real fans.
I've yet to have her actually turn me down, but I did however get a dialogue cut scene that ended with "I'm glad you're my friend" or something and I was like, ****, lol.
I mean I knew it wouldn't happen, I was just hoping for her to actually address the flirting but it doesn't seem like she will, unless I'm speaking too soon.
I still think it's lame she isn't open to you girls. When she's pretty much made inclusive in the most ridiculous aspects. Yet not that one where she has real fans.
edit: Speaking of which, I haven't seen Maria (thread creator) since she was announced male only. And that's a goddamn shame.
Just saying.
Sexual attraction has little to do with one's political and religious beliefs. You're talking long term. And sense to get her approval high enough you have to actually break character to get it that high and still be an ass, eh.
I still think it's lame she isn't open to you girls. When she's pretty much made inclusive in the most ridiculous aspects. Yet not that one where she has real fans.
edit: Speaking of which, I haven't seen Maria (thread creator) since she was announced male only. And that's a goddamn shame.
Just saying.
Yeah I haven't seen her too. I assume she went on a media blackout before the game came out and she's probably to busy currently playing it to check out the forums? Either way, I know we were both incredibly dissapointed by that announcement.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Sexual attraction has little to do with one's political and religious beliefs. You're talking long term. And sense to get her approval high enough you have to actually break character to get it that high and still be an ass, eh.
She talks about love and romance. It isn't just sexual attraction. And she's only been with one man. She clearly sizes up things in terms of the longterm.
That's why I think such factors should be taken into account, and not make her into such a joke for some players.
It's not just my experiences. It's other players I've observed.
My opinion really turned when I saw a vid with some Juggalo looking Qunari in facepaint, who didn't believe anything she said, having sex with her.
No actual author would write a scene like that. It's narratively implausible and stupid. Yet it's come down to this. She's become a tool in everyone's hands. The people who like her, the people don't care much, the people who think it's all for the lulz.. Anyone can achieve with Cassandra. She likes you no matter what, as long as you game it.
Do you have an link for this video? I wanted to see how Cassandra romance is like with an atheist Inquisitor.
She talks about love and romance. It isn't just sexual attraction. And she's only been with one man. She clearly sizes up things in terms of the longterm.
She did not talk about love. And she's only been with one man because she's scary as hell with high class and tastes.
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