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I consider the mage/templar arc to be one of the worse in Bioware games

 

I don't know if I'd say that.

 

I don't like that it's cause so much strife even between us players though.



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Wait what? Can you rephrase?

 

I just think she needs to stick the Chant of Light and all is cool. I'll keep it simple.

 

And if she did that, she wouldn't give a damn what Solas thought. Among others.

Except the Chant of Light says nothing about anything you keep complaining about? 



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But leaving it in OUR hands is the WHOLE point of the series!!!

 

Its a RPG game, not a visual novel or something thats pre-determined.

 

StreetMagic, please aswer this:

 

Can you role play the character that you wanted to? If yes then the game has achieved its goal.

 

Yeah, I'm roleplaying a character that doesn't want to change the world like you may want to. I'm not complaining about that. I think I'm able to do this.

 

I know it's the point of the series. What I'm really saying is my character refuses to accept that much power. Mages aren't the only people susceptible to Pride and hubris.



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I don't know if I'd say that.

 

I don't like that it's cause so much strife even between us players though.

 

I say it because there's only two plots I didn't like in a Bioware game, that was the Reaper plot and the mage/templar lol



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Except the Chant of Light says nothing about anything you keep complaining about? 

 

About Solas? Yes it does. Demons have no place in this world in the Chant. And their natures are never described as benign as he says. He's just full of sh*t, trying to butter you up to extreme ideas, with his calm and peaceful way of stating things.



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About Solas? Yes it does. Demons have no place in this world in the Chant. And their natures are never described as benign as he says. He's just full of sh*t, trying to butter you up to extreme ideas, with his calm and peaceful way of stating things.

Where does the Chant say that? Nowhere. And Solas actually does not support demons, and call them a desire for something gone terribly wrong. He does not call them benign, and in the end, Cassandra never agrees with this. 



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Where does the Chant say that? Nowhere. And Solas actually does not support demons, and call them a desire for something gone terribly wrong. He does not call them benign, and in the end, Cassandra never agrees with this. 

 

I'm not saying Cassandra agreed with it. I said it's not good to be admired by him. I'm saying don't listen to anything he says. Once a conman gets in your good graces, he'll have you by the balls.

 

He doesn't support demons, no. He redefines their nature. Which is just as bad. And yes, it's contrary to the Chant. They are twisted for only one reason.

 

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born.

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Yeah, I'm roleplaying a character that doesn't want to change the world like you may want to. I'm not complaining about that. I think I'm able to do this.

 

I know it's the point of the series. What I'm really saying is my character refuses to accept that much power. Mages aren't the only people susceptible to Pride and hubris.

 

My character also didint liked becoming Inquisitor, while being called Inquisitor doesnt bother me (i mean, my Inquisitor is a noble, he is used to titles). I play him in a way that he doesnt feel like he likes the responsability dump (i pick the sarcastic remarks when the situation calls for it), but he is also very dedicated when he needs to be, he figured there is probably no one else to take his shoes.

 

One point i particularly like to emphasise is the Iron Bull talk on Heaven, where he foreshadows your character becoming Inquisitor, i like to think it was Bull that made my Inquisitor belive he is the right man for the job.

 

As for changing the world, it comes more from his views than anything, something along the lines of "If i am gonna take the job, i will do a job welld done and not half ass it". With "Job well done" being more freedom for mages, less chantry authority, etc.



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I'm not saying Cassandra agreed with it. I said it's not good to be admired by him. I'm saying don't listen to anything he says. Once a conman gets in your good graces, he'll have you by the balls.

 

He doesn't support demons, no. He redefines their nature. Which is just as bad. And yes, it's contrary to the Chant. They are twisted for only one reason.

 

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born.

 

 

And thats why we all role play in our own ways :)

 

With that quote:

 

"The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born."

 

If we take the Chant literally, i say the demons are justified somewhat, i mean take a look at the Fade, it seems pretty boring in there. The Maker was an ******* by locking them away in the Fade. 

 

At least thats my take of the Demons while playing in the previous games, they were kinda screwed over by powers above them and wanted to come to Thedas, of course they took the easy way out and used possessions and other dirty tricks, leaving them insane in the process.


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If we take the Chant literally, i say the demons are justified somewhat, i mean take a look at the Fade, it seems pretty boring in there. The Maker was an ******* by locking them away in the Fade. 

 

Well, that's their problem. Not mine. Just stay off my ****** lawn! :P



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I'm not saying Cassandra agreed with it. I said it's not good to be admired by him. I'm saying don't listen to anything he says. Once a conman gets in your good graces, he'll have you by the balls.

 

He doesn't support demons, no. He redefines their nature. Which is just as bad. And yes, it's contrary to the Chant. They are twisted for only one reason.

 

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born.

 

That does not say demons have no place in this world. It says they even us because they cannot feel what we do. Also, redefining something is bad now? The Chantry definition of a demon and Solas' seem pretty close either way. 



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That does not say demons have no place in this world. It says they even us because they cannot feel what we do. Also, redefining something is bad now? The Chantry definition of a demon and Solas' seem pretty close either way. 

 

I see that he got to you.

 

You're dead to me. Dead! ;)



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Well, that's their problem. Not mine. Just stay off my ****** lawn! :P

You might be suprised, but i actually disliked Cole and booted him off the Inquisition.

 

I figured my Inquisitor would only ever truly accept Cole if he was a Mage, which he is not.

 

I like to think that even tho he is very open minded and agrees with Solas on everything (manly because he doesnt have first hand experience with Magic/The Fade) he is still someone whos afraid of the unknown and thus doesnt trust Cole at all.

 

I mean, it just feels weird to play as Ostwick noble and kinda let a Spirit/Demon just get inside the "Inner Circle".

 

I am sure someone can provide me a perfectly good role playing reason for it (Your inquisitor was helped by a Spirit at the beginning of the game!).

 

But to me his own skeptcism prevents him from trusting outworldly creatures completely.

 

All of that to justify my (as in myself, not in-character) undying hatred for Cole's ridiculous hat :P



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You might be suprised, but i actually disliked Cole and booted him off the Inquisition.

 

I figured my Inquisitor would only ever truly accept Cole if he was a Mage, which he is not.

 

I like to think that even tho he is very open minded and agrees with Solas on everything (manly because he doesnt have first hand experience with Magic/The Fade) he is still someone whos afraid of the unknown and thus doesnt trust Cole at all.

 

Eh, I kind of liked Cole, I mean, he was weird most of the time, but he was so much better then Justice, who I thought was too extreme about just everything. Not to mention I liked his storyline if you push him to be human.



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Eh, I kind of liked Cole, I mean, he was weird most of the time, but he was so much better then Justice, who I thought was too extreme about just everything. Not to mention I liked his storyline if you push him to be human.

 

Cole can be as awesome as he can (minus his ridiculous hat), but i just didint think it fitted my particular role play.

 

When i get around playing a Mage, i will surely recruit him :D



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One point i particularly like to emphasise is the Iron Bull talk on Heaven, where he foreshadows your character becoming Inquisitor, i like to think it was Bull that made my Inquisitor belive he is the right man for the job.

 

The one where Bull says there is no Leader for the Inquisition? I selected Cassandra there and he said she wouldn't make a good leader because she can't make the though decisions and see the bigger picture. I was all  :blink:, setting up the Inquisition in motion wasn't making a though decisions or looking at the big picture?

 

Also, Vivienne says that Cassandra lack charms to be a good leader. I was all  :ph34r:.



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But to me his own skeptcism prevents him from trusting outworldly creatures completely.

 

I get the feeling (and I hope I'm wrong) that Bioware is slowly barking up a similar tree that they did with the Reapers. They seem to like injecting messages of universalism and Rodney King like speeches about "Can't we all just get along?" The ultimate culmination came in ME's Synthesis ending. And I'm afraid they're going to do the same with demons and magic. Especially given Sandal's little speech in DA2.



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The odd thing, for me, is I was able to essentially turn my RP Jedi Consular character from TOR in Dragon Age form.

Mildly amnesiac warrior with an odd power, whose reluctance to use it are only combated by their faith and desire to help others, and a STOIC WARRIOR/SOLDIER WOMAN LOVE INTEREST? Thank you, Cass! It's oddly awesome to see the story out of RP and in a game. :D

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I'm kind of in the same boat as Dorian when it comes to faith (I.E. There has to be some kind of bigger cosmic order to things, because the alternative is terrifying to think about).

I sort of took the whole Herald of Andraste title as being something similar to Captain America, it's something that gives the people hope in a time where there's very little of it to go around. Whether getting the Anchor was the result of divine providence or coincidence is up for interpretation.

What sort of confused me was why the Chantry needed to be restored. The Inquisition at that point had been able to unite nations, other factions, potentially forge previously unprecedented alliances, and help the downtrodden. In the end we provide a lot of the same services (outside of organized religion) that the Chantry provided.

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The one where Bull says there is no Leader for the Inquisition? I selected Cassandra there and he said she wouldn't make a good leader because she can't make the though decisions and see the bigger picture. I was all  :blink:, setting up the Inquisition in motion wasn't making a though decisions or looking at the big picture?

 

Also, Vivienne says that Cassandra lack charms to be a good leader. I was all  :ph34r:.

 

I love Cassandra but I can see where they're coming from. Her stance is to fix the previous status quo which, while admirable, does give the idea that she lacks seeing past that.

 

That and she's not a people-person or a politician.



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And yet they would leave it to me, who will preserve the status quo.



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And yet they would leave it to me, who will preserve the status quo.

 

Hence the flaw of the Chosen One trope.  :P



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I love Cassandra but I can see where they're coming from. Her stance is to fix the previous status quo which, while admirable, does give the idea that she lacks seeing past that.

 

That and she's not a people-person or a politician.

Which is why she shouldn't lead the Inquisition or be Divine, without my less than subtle, help. I was beginning to like her reform idea, but Vivienne's seems better, honestly. No one keeps the status quo. 

I see that he got to you.

 

You're dead to me. Dead! ;)

Solas is a cool dude and doesn't afraid of nothin. If you can accept that, than I'll see you on the battlefield. 


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Hence the flaw of the Chosen One trope.  :P

 

I don't find it a flaw. I just think I'm putting it back where I liked to begin with. I never started DAO and hated the world much. I liked it how it was. Anders it ruined in the next game. And then everyone reacting to Anders afterwards.



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Question re: one of Cass's personal quest:

 

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