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[Andres Hendrix]

Cassandra would sooner want to punch things, just for being there. I can't imagine her waking up every day, having all those attendants and brownosers serving her tea, dressing in stupid robes, and then sitting on a chair all day waving and doling out boons and judgements. 

 

It may sound appealing on paper, but the actual reality would blow. After two weeks, she'll start slugging people for no reason.

 

At least, that's how I want Cass to stay. If the job actually changes her, then it's for the worst. I didn't wait 3 years to play with Cass on a team, only to change her character and lose her.

How does that Snow Patrol song go? "What if the storm ends, and I don't see you as you are now--ever again?"

[Br3admax]

I haven't seen it. 

 

I don't mind hugs-n-feels in principle, if someone actually worked to get such a thing. I'm a big proponent of rewarding good performance/gameplay (rather than being against hugs-n-feels, no matter what).

 

But from what I know, you don't have to work at all in this case. It's like any other circumstance?

Spoiler

Leliana convinces everyone to just agree with her world views and no one says anything. All the mages go free without a single revolt and every race is automatically let into the Chantry without any rational change from any party. Everyone just gets over their problems. The end.

[raging_monkey]

Spoiler

Leliana convinces everyone to just agree with her world views and no one says anything. All the mages go free without a single revolt and every race is automatically let into the Chantry without any rational change from any party. Everyone just gets over their problems. The end.

you sound miffed about that lol

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

I haven't seen it. 

 

I don't mind hugs-n-feels in principle, if someone actually worked to get such a thing. I'm a big proponent of rewarding good performance/gameplay (rather than being against hugs-n-feels, no matter what).

 

But from what I know, you don't have to work at all in this case. It's like any other circumstance?

Spoiler

The Leliana Devine ending changes depending on how you've shaped her opinion on her methods throughout the game, if you've told her that "killing isn't the solution to everything" her ending takes on a different tone, there is dissent to her changes, but instead of murdering the opposition she goes to meet them and discuss the matters so that there is an agreement. If shes encouraged to kill she will eliminate anyone who disagrees with her changes instead of attempting to reason with them.

[Br3admax]

you sound miffed about that lol

I am. I kind of want the world to progress realistically. No one's going to just universally accept radical change on a mass scale. People don't work that way. 

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

All of the Devine endings read as if they come into fruition much farther down the road lore wise. Regardless of what ever changes are made, once the ending slides are gone and the game returns to Skyhold, the respective devine has yet to have gone through the coronation process.

[Br3admax]

The kind of change described in Leliana's epilogue slide would require much longer than she has left to live to accomplish. 

[SgtSteel91]

I am. I kind of want the world to progress realistically. No one's going to just universally accept radical change on a mass scale. People don't work that way. 

 

*picks top right conversation option*

 

Are you so certain? Maybe a leader with a silver tongue can change the world.

[TheJediSaint]

I am. I kind of want the world to progress realistically. No one's going to just universally accept radical change on a mass scale. People don't work that way. 

The Epilogue only cover the near-term.  We don't yet know what the long-term consequences of one Divine over another are yet.

[raging_monkey]

I am. I kind of want the world to progress realistically. No one's going to just universally accept radical change on a mass scale. People don't work that way.

worked well for dictatorships/coups to my knowledge. Sides its religion people in these settings go with the flow and with a paramilitary/political force behind her people might be "persuaded" to her world views

[raging_monkey]

The only coups where it works that I know is my mom's own country: Thailand.
 
They have coups up the ass. Like, coups every few years. And it's all very casual and semi-nonviolent. Maybe it's a Buddhist thing.
 
They also have a king and royal family, who provides a kind of layer of stability, even when politics and military break down.

i stand corrected

[Br3admax]

worked well for dictatorships/coups to my knowledge. Sides its religion people in these settings go with the flow and with a paramilitary/political force behind her people might be "persuaded" to her world views

Lulz. Have you heard of a planet called Earth? None of these things ever work well? 

[SgtSteel91]

It seems the slide does not suggest that softened Leilanna's reign is a dictatorship or coup, she is just charismatic enough to convince people to go along with the changes.

 

And we don't know if this is going to change in the next game: always remember the Mage/Dalish Boon

[raging_monkey]

Lulz. Have you heard of a planet called Earth? None of these things ever work well?

e...arth? What is this place you speak of sounds crazy and savage lol.

But really a popular agrument used is that thedas isnt our world similar-ish so our rules of logic dont apply so it seems appropriate to follw the "rule" lol

[Andres Hendrix]

I am. I kind of want the world to progress realistically. No one's going to just universally accept radical change on a mass scale. People don't work that way. 

The Roman's accepted Caesar Augustus, after 100 years of civil wars. That was a very radical change, from republic to Augustus' micromanaging dictatorship. In the Roman language (Latin) you cannot safely distinguish war and beauty (you can get away with saying bellum est bellum—or, “war is beautiful”). Even a war like people like the Roman’s became sick and tired of fighting amongst themselves, and accepted radical change. They got sick of the ignominies of civil war. They did not even have horrifically mutated red Templers. lol  I'd say in Thedas, people would be sick of fighting the mages and would be happy to accept what Leliana is selling as the new Devine.

[Br3admax]

The Romans didn't just accept Augustus. And there was definitely bloodshed throughout that change. I'm not quite sure what you point is. 

[raging_monkey]

The Romans didn't just accept Augustus. And there was definitely bloodshed throughout that change. I'm not quite sure what you point is.

propably that kicking and screaming regardless they accept the change was the point

[Andres Hendrix]

Lulz. Have you heard of a planet called Earth? None of these things ever work well? 

I suggest that you read "Romans: From Village to Empire A History of Ancient Rome from Earliest Times to Constantine" By: Mary T. Boatwright, Daniel J. Gargola, and Richard J.A. Talbert. Oxford University Press 2004. Read the section on how the warmonger Octavian became everyone’s favorite Italian grandfather Caesar Augusts. There is a reason why classicists say Augusts was Rome's greatest emperor.lol

[Br3admax]

That's because after Caesar's death, Rome fell into civil war and he offered stability. To do that he cut a path through the dictatorship and established himself as Rome's first emperor. Even after this, there were constantly problems holding the empire together. No one gave each other hugs and turned their backs on their beliefs and centuries of Roman culture and history. Do not bring shame on the legacy of Italia's greatest city.