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[Br3admax]

propably that kicking and screaming regardless they accept the change was the point

Except they didn't. He had to kill a bunch of people, just like anyone else. No one just universally accepts anything. 

[Andres Hendrix]

The Romans didn't just accept Augustus. And there was definitely bloodshed throughout that change. I'm not quite sure what you point is. 

Yes, people were sick of the blood shed. After Anthony, what Civil war did Augustus face? Look at how Augustus gained power you twit. Look at how he reinvented himself. How he used the senate and tested how much he could take and told people that they were under a PAX ROMANA. He was not just the first emperor to ever close the doors to the tempal of Janus, sginifying Roman peace, he was the first Roman politician to ever do so. lol

[raging_monkey]

Accept they didn't. He had to kill a bunch of people, just like anyone else. No one just universally accepts anything.

did i say i agreed? You know i play the field lol sides you'd be amazed at what people accept * shrugs* humans right?

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

Spoiler

I also feel as if Cassandra's ending as Devine is essentially like pushing a metaphorical reset button on Thedas. Its like the Seekers are reset to what they once were, Templars and the Circles are back as well. If Anders was the only mage that had a problem with circles the rebellion would not have had that much steam and I probably would not have thought much of this ending, but it feels as if choosing Cassandra is just setting up Thedas to repeat itself with no progress made.

 

Except they didn't. He had to kill a bunch of people, just like anyone else. No one just universally accepts anything. 

Spoiler

Don't forget, there were people that disagreed with Leliana as well. It was not universally accepted. She won them over with talks; similar to what the player has Josephine do when dealing with people with the caveat that if Leliana is hardened instead of negotiating peacefully, she just kills those who disagree to force change.

[Br3admax]

Yes, people were sick of the blood shed. After Anthony, what Civil war did Augustus face? 

After Anthony implies this was not a part of August forcing change which it definitely is. No one. Literally no one, in human history just ups and does anything. Caesar built the ground works for many of these changes long before Octavian became Romes emperor. 

 

 

Look at how Augustus gained power you twit. Look at how he reinvented himself. How he used the senate and tested how much he could take and told people that they were under a PAX ROMANA. He was not just the first emperor to ever close the doors to the tempal of Janus, sginifying Roman peace, he was the first Roman politician to ever do so. lol

He still had to fight wars and earn his power. People died. Bloodshed acquired. He did not have people peacefully talk together until they accepted one another. Even then Roman society was divided, and remained so long after his death. Leliana does not. She simply becomes Divine, changes absolutely nothing about anything, and forces reform. Do not compare them. 

[Hellion Rex]

For the love of the Maker, can we bring it back to Cass?

[Br3admax]

Spoiler

Don't forget, there were people that disagreed with Leliana as well. It was not universally accepted. She won them over with talks; similar to what the player has Josephine do when dealing with people with the caveat that if Leliana is hardened instead of negotiating peacefully, she just kills those who disagree to force change.

I won't debate she talked with people. It's too radical a change for simple talks imo. You're asking for people to accept abominations and randomly get over thousands of years of bigotry in one go. Take any problem from our world and add magic. Would you accept such change because the Divine smiled at you enough?

[raging_monkey]

For the love of the Maker, can we bring it back to Cass?

yes i sense tension... more than usual XD

[Andres Hendrix]

Augustus reign really starts with Julius. Which is bloody and upheaving and changed the status quo in ways to cause war amongst the entire senate.

That is a red herring argumeant. Agustus ended the Roman civil war, he did not become Imperartor Caesar Augustus untill after he defeated Anthony and ended the Civil war.  There was in fact the most stabilty Rome had ever experianced (in the Empire) during Augustus' reign. Augustus at that point was the only person left standing, (like the new Devine in DA:I) of any true politcal importance, he was also briliant so that went in his favour as well. The first part of his reign was testing how much power he could take from the state wiithout breaking the stability he wanted. He was very proficent at it. lol Hence why he lived into his 80s. lol

[LobselVith8]

It seems the slide does not suggest that softened Leilanna's reign is a dictatorship or coup, she is just charismatic enough to convince people to go along with the changes.

 

And we don't know if this is going to change in the next game: always remember the Mage/Dalish Boon

 

That seems to be the impression, which I suppose is helped by the role she potentially served in ending the Fifth Blight, her role helping Divine Justinia V, and working alongside the Inquisitor in stopping the Breach. Leliana becoming Divine also allows Cassandra to focus on rebuilding the Seekers into the organization that she thinks it should be, presuming the Inquisitor supports her endeavor, or allows her to make the decision on her own.

 

As for what happens in the next Dragon Age game, I suppose it can simply be referenced if future games explore regions outside of Orlais and Ferelden (which might be why all three contenders end up having the same name when they become the new Divine).

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

I won't debate she talked with people. It's too radical a change for simple talks imo. You're asking for people to accept abominations and randomly get over thousands of years of bigotry in one go. Take any problem from our world and add magic. Would you accept such change because the Divine smiled at you enough?

I respect this response and understand the point you're making. I like that at the very end of the narration for Leliana's ending the narrator says "For now..." as if to foreshadow that all is not as well off as that slide would have it appear.

 

Edit: All of the choices she makes as Devine do come off of the heels of a Mage/Templar war and the successful defeat of a crazed blighted Tevinter magister with her being known as a prominent figure within the organization responsible for tending to many of the problems that ailed Southern Thedas. One should consider that perhaps a lot of this is why there was no need for further wars or serious conflict (in the immediate future) outside of disagreements in regards to the "dissent" against her reforms.

[Kirikou]

Finished the game and didn't have Cassandra become Divine, I was stressing so much about that possibility and when it didn't come to pass I was happy. Cassandra is really too adorable.

[Dr. Doctor]

Cassandra would sooner want to punch things, just for being there. I can't imagine her waking up every day, having all those attendants and brownosers serving her tea, dressing in stupid robes, and then sitting on a chair all day waving and doling out boons and judgements. 
 
It may sound appealing on paper, but the actual reality would blow. After two weeks, she'll start slugging people for no reason.
 
At least, that's how I want Cass to stay. If the job actually changes her, then it's for the worst. I didn't wait 3 years to play with Cass on a team, only to change her character and lose her.

I went with Vivienne just because she's used to all of the politics, and Cassandra can do more in a hands-on capacity with the Seekers than she can being hamstrung by all of the pomp and circumstance.

[AresKeith]

I went with Vivienne just because she's used to all of the politics, and Cassandra can do more in a hands-on capacity with the Seekers than she can being hamstrung by all of the pomp and circumstance.

 

What if she's a more active Divine and actually moves around than just sit on a throne

[SgtSteel91]

I took a look at the slides and it seemed like more people were pissed at Vivianne becoming Divine than Leilanna. Leilanna becomes Divine and people threaten to revolt, which she manages to talk down and there's peace - for now. Vivi becomes Divine and there are three immediate revolts which she crushes thanks to the Inquisition. Seems like Vivi's tenure as Divine is a lot more shaky than Leilanna's. Cassandra seems like the 'safe' choice but even then there are people saying she goes to far with the reforms.

 

Actually there's a lot a hinting in multiple slides that the state of the world we made won't stay peaceful forever.

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

Ultimately in my opinion, Cassandra is too great a character to lose to the chantry and I feel making her Devine is like killing her potential in the DA universe and specifically in DAI prematurely. It feels as if; with these characters set to potentially take on a role like that they're poised to not show up in any significant capacity soon. My Lavellan romanced her, respected her views on the chantry and on the maker, but just doesn't want her to be Devine of the chantry. Unhardened Leliana as Devine just feels like icing on that cake.

[Hellion Rex]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Y'ALL.

[Merela]

Some art before going to bed.

 

 

Source: http://baewall.tumbl...f-doodles-of-my

[Andres Hendrix]

Her expresion makes it creepy. lol

[Urazz]

Spoiler

I also feel as if Cassandra's ending as Devine is essentially like pushing a metaphorical reset button on Thedas. Its like the Seekers are reset to what they once were, Templars and the Circles are back as well. If Anders was the only mage that had a problem with circles the rebellion would not have had that much steam and I probably would not have thought much of this ending, but it feels as if choosing Cassandra is just setting up Thedas to repeat itself with no progress made.

 

Spoiler

Don't forget, there were people that disagreed with Leliana as well. It was not universally accepted. She won them over with talks; similar to what the player has Josephine do when dealing with people with the caveat that if Leliana is hardened instead of negotiating peacefully, she just kills those who disagree to force change.

Spoiler

It's not just pushing the reset button on Thedas but like releasing 2.0 of Thedas where some things were changed for the better to fix the flaws but are still the same for the most part.