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[Br3admax]

Let's consider a few things:

Spoiler

1. Leliana doesn't actually know where the Warden is. Sure she gets into contact with him/her, but at that point, the Inquisition is large enough that her power base should be able to find one wo/man.
2. Hawke's more influential than the Warden to the people involved. The entire point was to find someone at least one of the sides would consider a hero. Cass speaks on this.
3. Varric actively lies to her about not knowing where Hawke was. As I said, Leliana doesn't know where the Warden is. Varric finds Hawke on a whim.
4. Even if you don't believe that, by the time contact can be established with the Warden, the enemy and his capabilities are well known.
5. She's a Hawke fan. Because you know, who isn't?

Plenty of reasons why she wouldn't flip a table. 

[Milan92]

Why are we talking in spoiler tags again?

 

And knowing Hawke even in the Fade I'd bet he'll figure a way to blow up the Black City or something.

 

Which he learned from Anders.

 

See, not all of Hawke's choices are bad

[CreepingShadow]

Yeah Hawke may be a total moron, who destroys everything (s)he touches but at least (s)he's involved in the situation. The Warden has absolutely no ties to the Mage-Templar war besides the fact that they MAY be a former Circle Mage, Hawke was involved in kicking off the war itself.

 

That and Varric was activley hiding Hawke from Cassandra, Leliana had no idea where the Warden was and in playthroughs where she had a close relationship with them she's actually worried sick, and would like nothing more to know where they are.

[Merela]

Some Qunarti, because why not?

 

 

Source: http://poly-morph.tu...a-i-strips-time

[Alan Rickman]

Some Qunarti, because why not?

 

 

Source: http://poly-morph.tu...a-i-strips-time

 

The Inquisitor is a drug addict. 

[Br3admax]

We got Bartrand's Folly up in this bish, what do you expect?

[Dr. Doctor]

Speaking of "dueling" (sorta), in Haven when you stumble on the Josie/DeDurillion (sp) argument early on, if you pick the second option it ends with Josie telling the noble that he will have to duel Cassandra because he is doubting her words. The guy gets scared over the proposition and leave...

To be fair, the prospect of facing an angry Cassandra is pretty terrifying. My Magequisitor still has "can set the lyrium in your veins aflame" in the back of his mind, and he's romancing Cass.

[azarhal]

My Magequisitor still has "can set the lyrium in your veins aflame" in the back of his mind, and he's romancing Cass.

 

Isn't that a nice feature to keep you warm in the cold winter nights?

[Jaron Oberyn]

To be fair, the prospect of facing an angry Cassandra is pretty terrifying. My Magequisitor still has "can set the lyrium in your veins aflame" in the back of his mind, and he's romancing Cass.

I thought it was said Seekers do not take lyrium?

[Master Race]

After watching the romance on youtube i'd say Cassandra is my new favorite companion, or at least tied with Solas and Iron Bull.

[The Elder King]

I got Cassandra's Romance scene...well, at least the first part. the Second part is heavily bugged (I had to reload because Until I skip quickly in a certain part I couldn't move one), but i saw on YouTube what I missed. I liked it .

[Spectre4hire]

I got Cassandra's Romance scene...well, at least the first part. the Second part is heavily bugged (I had to reload because Until I skip quickly in a certain part I couldn't move one), but i saw on YouTube what I missed. I liked it .

 

This happened to me too. Cassandra is my favorite character and I really enjoyed her romance story arc. There was some great scenes with her throughout the game. 

 

Cassandra will be the romance for most if not all of my Inquisitors but I'm not sure I want to pursue it again until Bioware fixes this bug. 

[Br3admax]

I got Cassandra's Romance scene...well, at least the first part. the Second part is heavily bugged (I had to reload because Until I skip quickly in a certain part I couldn't move one), but i saw on YouTube what I missed. I liked it .

Load it up. ****** on the forum for two minutes. Problem solved. 

[krukow]

So I'm still playing this, and I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but I was warned that Cassandra can wind up the divine at the end.  This is pretty much the only outcome I'm trying to avoid (otherwise I let my first playthrough ending be organic).  So how do I avoid this?
 
So far I told her to reform the seekers and I did the Templars mission (and allied with them after).  I also kept the wardens.
 
So does anyone have suggestions for how to keep Cass out of the divine?  My girlfriend (also a huge Cass fan) says if I just don't encourage her, I'll be fine, but I'd rather not take chances.

 

EDIT: Sorry if this is spoilers, I have no idea how to spoiler tag stuff yet

[Br3admax]

During the Civil War either keep Celene in power and don't remove lose ends, or remover her from power and support Vivienne. 

[Dr. Doctor]

Isn't that a nice feature to keep you warm in the cold winter nights?

Curling up with your sweetheart is definitely better than having your blood lit ablaze. Whether Cass likes to be cuddly or not is up for interpretation.

[Jaron Oberyn]

So I'm still playing this, and I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but I was warned that Cassandra can wind up the divine at the end.  This is pretty much the only outcome I'm trying to avoid (otherwise I let my first playthrough ending be organic).  So how do I avoid this?
 
So far I told her to reform the seekers and I did the Templars mission (and allied with them after).  I also kept the wardens.
 
So does anyone have suggestions for how to keep Cass out of the divine?  My girlfriend (also a huge Cass fan) says if I just don't encourage her, I'll be fine, but I'd rather not take chances.

 

EDIT: Sorry if this is spoilers, I have no idea how to spoiler tag stuff yet

 

 

The first page in my signature has extensive information on how to romance Cass and prevent her from being made divine/reforming seekers. Here is the template though, I highlighted the things you need to do in red. Unfortunately it isn't as easy as discouraging her, its mostly dependent on your chantry stance which must differ from hers. You have to be 100% anti chantry/mage freedom which will get you a bit of disapproval. You can regain it though by doing around  3/5 of her targets from Unfinished Business. I did 4/5 to be safe. 

 

Spoiler

Leliana Softened Divine

 

Romanced Cassandra

 

Freed Mages

 

Sided with Celene at Winter Palace

 

Allowed Wardens to stay

 

Mage Freedom/Rebuild chantry dialogue choices [VERY important]

 

No war table operations were made available

 

Told Leliana not to kill the traitor back in Haven.

 

Told Leliana that she did right in pulling her scouts back, that they aren’t tools to be discarded. (Dialogue with her after Haven attack).

 

Told Leliana not to kill the Sister in the Chantry.

 

Voiced support for Leliana.

 

[For romance purposes, I attempted to get a playthrough where Cassandra was neither divine, nor leaving to rebuild the seekers. Here is how I was able to do so.]

 

Told Cassandra to let the Seekers go after her quest

 

Did not agree with Cassandra on her views of the chantry. Told her that I did not want the same things she wanted for the chantry. [VERY important]

 

After her talk with Mother Giselle, told her that there were other ways to help the chantry besides becoming Divine. And that she should consider her own happiness.

 

Told her to refuse the role if she was offered.

 

[This resulted in an ending where she was neither divine, nor leaving to rebuild seekers. Ends up staying with the inquisition. I should note that because you have to take opposite views of the chantry with her on this, you will need to do around 4/5 of the targets of her quest in order to have sufficient approval to romance her.]

 

[Br3admax]

You don't need to free the mages or side with Celene. Considering the user in question already said they sided with the Templars, that doesn't help anyway. The real problem stems for the the things making Cassandra Divine and the things making Vivienne Divine are almost one and the same. Ask to restore the old order, support Vivienne, and you can still side with the Templars as allies, reform the Seekers, keep the Wardens, side with a lone Gaspard, and still end up with a Vivienne Divine. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

You don't need to free the mages or side with Celene. Considering the user in question already said they sided with the Templars, that doesn't help anyway. The real problem stems for the the things making Cassandra Divine and the things making Vivienne Divine are almost one and the same. Ask to restore the old order, support Vivienne, and you can still side with the Templars as allies, reform the Seekers, side with a lone Gaspard, and still end up with a Vivienne Divine. 

I was merely posting a template. As of now it is unclear whether freeing/conscripting the mages actually locks it out, but it certainly favors a certain divine candidate so to play it safe you will want to choose wisely. Ultimately the most important factor is your chantry views, as well as how you respond to Cassandra's ideals for the future. Vivienne and Cass are very similar, but two distinct dialogue options that lean towards Viv are "Mages should be in the chantry" early on in the game and "You would be a better divine" when discussing Cass as a possible choice with Viv. At that point you can choose to do the war table operation.

[Alan Rickman]

I got an ending where she's both committed to rebuilding the Seekers from scratch as well as staying together with the Inquisitor. This pleases me.

[Br3admax]

It clearly doesn't. Nothing "locks" anything into anything. 

 

Just disliking the Chantry is neutral (depending on the context). Sentiments that suggest the Chantry needs to reform, or that it isn't doing its job, will push Leliana a bit closer towards being Divine. For her, however, the biggest influences by far are allying with the mages at the end of the Redcliffe plot and handing power to Briala at the end of the Wicked Eyes & Wicked Hearts plot.

 

 

I assume everything works the same way with everyone. Agree with them, and they'll be pushed for Divine 

[Jaron Oberyn]

It clearly doesn't. Nothing "locks" anything into anything. 

 

 

 

I assume everything works the same way with everyone. Agree with them, and they'll be pushed for Divine 

I never said it did, please reread my post. This is an interesting quote from Gaider. It at least shows that those are somewhat significant factors in the overall scheme of things. Simple agreement isn't enough. When I got Vivienne, I agreed with her and Leliana's views in dialogue. Voiced support for both of them, though I didn't absorb the Templars and I only had the opportunity to do Viv's operation. 

[Br3admax]

You agreeing with both just pushes it back and forth, so it does nothing, or more likely, supports Cassandra. As for the lock, you said it's unclear. But it is. It's basically just a massive push, was my point. You can still have Vivienne for Divine if you free the mages, it's just a lot, lot, harder. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

You agreeing with both just pushes it back and forth, so it does nothing, or more likely, supports Cassandra. As for the lock, you said it's unclear. But it is. It's basically just a massive push, was my point. You can still have Vivienne for Divine if you free the mages, it's just a lot, lot, harder. 

 

I wonder if this was the reason I was given a war table operation. Because Cass/Viv are so similar, in my dialogue with Cass I was basically disagreeing with her on the chantry aka mage freedom, don't want the same chantry as you, etc. I agreed with Leliana as sort of a safeguard. I was attempting to get Viv but felt as if it could go either to her or Cass. It wasn't until the "I think you would be a better Divine" dialogue came up with Viv and the subsequent operation that I felt I had it tucked away. Didn't mean to stray too far off topic though, but it is interesting as it changes some of what we thought we knew in the Divine thread. 

 

Could you provide me the link to that Gaider quote?