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[The Baconer]

Only because they're the one thing standing between your Knight-Enchanter Legion and the rest of Thedas. 

 

Well, yes.

 

But in all seriousness, I'd rather build something respectable over their ashes than have Cassandra try to polish a turd.

[Br3admax]

 

To me it seems that Inquisition pushes for Cassandra as Divine. She's served as the Right Hand for two Divines concurrently. She's the most suited to the role of our three picks IMO. And she doesn't covet the position like Leliana and Vivienne, but accepts it out of a sense of responsibility.

 

And oh yeah, she was touched by the incredibly rare Spirit of Faith.

 

She also pushes reforms and then forces the Inquisition to make everyone accept them...

 

Besides, she only reforms the Templars, leaving the Circles the same. These problems will all just start again. Vivienne on the other hand leashes the Templars and makes the Circles more free but with more responsibilities. Just like the rest of us. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

To me it seems that Inquisition pushes for Cassandra as Divine. She's served as the Right Hand for two Divines concurrently. She's the most suited to the role of our three picks IMO. And she doesn't covet the position like Leliana and Vivienne, but accepts it out of a sense of responsibility.

 

And oh yeah, she was touched by the incredibly rare Spirit of Faith.

 

I didn't get the impression Vivienne coveted the position. And Leliana doesn't want to seek it any more than Cass who says she'd want it if she could do the makers will. Leliana seems the most appropriate to me though given all she's done with the chantry in the past, as well as her close relationship with Justinia. 

[raging_monkey]

I don't know. All I know is that Leliana's ending has the potential for the most chaos which is the opposite of what the Inquisition stands for. I conscripted the mages even as a mage myself. Lulz!Freedom doesn't seem like it's in the best interest for everybody. I want the mages to be free and all that, but not at the cost of some random farmer taking a fireball to the face because a mage got emo.

maybe the farmer had it coming XD

[Jaron Oberyn]

I don't know. All I know is that Leliana's ending has the potential for the most chaos which is the opposite of what the Inquisition stands for. I conscripted the mages even as a mage myself. Lulz!Freedom doesn't seem like it's in the best interest for everybody. I want the mages to be free and all that, but not at the cost of some random farmer taking a fireball to the face because a mage got emo. 

 

Cass and Viv endings basically setup the world similarly to the structure it was before which caused this chaos in the first place. Leliana's is something entirely new, so it remains to be seen how successful it might be. Could fail as well, or it could actually work. Whether a hardened/softened Leliana would have any effect on that is another thing to take into account. 

[Shadow Fox]

I don't know. All I know is that Leliana's ending has the potential for the most chaos which is the opposite of what the Inquisition stands for. I conscripted the mages even as a mage myself. Lulz!Freedom doesn't seem like it's in the best interest for everybody. I want the mages to be free and all that, but not at the cost of some random farmer taking a fireball to the face because a mage got emo. 

Eh I dislike conscripting the mages because the game seems to interpret it as you supporting the Circles rather than punishing a group of traitors.

[Br3admax]

Nobody sets the world up even remotely close to the way it was before. Cassandra completely restructures the Chantry and the Order, and Vivienne gives the mages loads more freedom and responsibilities. It isn't even close. Besides, I'm not a fan of, "Let's do it because it's different." I'm more of a, "Let's do it because it's rational," kind of guy. 

[LobselVith8]

I don't know. All I know is that Leliana's ending has the potential for the most chaos which is the opposite of what the Inquisition stands for. I conscripted the mages even as a mage myself. Lulz!Freedom doesn't seem like it's in the best interest for everybody. I want the mages to be free and all that, but not at the cost of some random farmer taking a fireball to the face because a mage got emo. 

 

I suppose that depends on the kind of Inquisition your Inquisitor has built, and whether or not you think the mages should be governed by the Chantry. I thought Leliana as Divine represented the kind of ideals that my Lavellan Inquisitor would support.

[Malthier]

Cassandra is the best romance option ever and I want more.

 

That's all.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yeah 1,000 years of social conditioning doesn't change overnight. Leliana seems to think so. 

 

Random Farmer: My crops failed!

Random Free Mage: Don't look at me, there's a drought.

RF: I bet it was you and your filthy magic! Hey everyone the sorcerer here is destroying our crops with foul magic!

RFM: *kills village with fireballs in self defense*

 

True, but given that the chantry originally instilled the fear of mages in the people, Leliana using it as a force to influence another viewpoint shouldn't be too difficult. And judging by the softened Leliana divine ending, everything seems peachy. 

[LobselVith8]

maybe the farmer had it coming XD

 

I doubt the world would remain that static. The new College of Enchanters actually seems to prosper well in the wake of the Breach being closed, and it's mentioned how people are accepting magic more than they ever did in the previous years. I think the College being focused on trying to find solutions to age-old problems is a pretty good goal for this new institution.

 

I'm sure Cassandra's new, likely independent sect of the Seekers of Truth would prosper well in this new age.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Again, 1,000 years of social conditioning. Nothing short of the Maker Himself intervening will change that in such a short time span. I don't care what the epilogue says.

 

Social conditioning by the chantry, who has now changed their position on those issues. I doubt the epilogue would say people are accepting mages if it weren't true. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I doubt the world would remain that static. The new College of Enchanters actually seems to prosper well in the wake of the Breach being closed, and it's mentioned how people are accepting magic more than they ever did in the previous years. I think the College being focused on trying to find solutions to age-old problems is a pretty good goal for this new institution.

 

I'm sure Cassandra's new, likely independent sect of the Seekers of Truth would prosper well in this new age.

 

I'm really interested in seeing how they handle the rebuilt seekers if you chose that, new chantry or any of the other ending variables for that matter. (divine, orlais, etc.). The DA devs have handled choices and consequences much better than the ME team so that gives me hope. Though part of me wonders if the reason they gave us this much control over the world state in DAI is because we're leaving southern thedas in future titles. 

[Xilizhra]

Again, 1,000 years of social conditioning. Nothing short of the Maker Himself intervening directly will change that in such a short time span. I don't care what the epilogue says.

The epilogue doesn't care what you say, and I think it was written by people who know the setting better.

[Br3admax]

Social conditioning by the chantry, who has now changed their position on those issues. I doubt the epilogue would say people are accepting mages if it weren't true. 

More people accepting magic more than before =/= even remotely close to half of all people accepting magic entirely. That doesn't happen overnight, or in a lifetime, especially with the legitimate dangers of magic. It's likely that such acceptance will never happen. It's like accepting the neighbor next door who has a personal armory. 

[Xilizhra]

No, you're just being obtuse and accepting whatever garbage you're fed.

What, the content that's in the actual game? Ah, 'tis truly worthy of flogging.

[raging_monkey]

I doubt the world would remain that static. The new College of Enchanters actually seems to prosper well in the wake of the Breach being closed, and it's mentioned how people are accepting magic more than they ever did in the previous years. I think the College being focused on trying to find solutions to age-old problems is a pretty good goal for this new institution.
 
I'm sure Cassandra's new, likely independent sect of the Seekers of Truth would prosper well in this new age.

i was being a wiseass XD but i agree with you lol

[Xilizhra]

If you believe the message that social conditioning is deconstructed in less time that it was constructed then you're more naive than I take you for.

I'm saying nothing about social conditioning. All I'm saying is what the game said, and what's likely to happen. Given the vagueness of Leliana's ideals about mages and such before DAI, her explicitly pro-freedom stance was more or less invented for this game; the odds of doing this solely to set her up to fail strike me as incredibly low. Combine this with the fact that the Divine endings were all constructed to make them as easy as possible to be spoken about by other characters regardless of who actually was Divine, I find it seriously unlikely that southern Thedas will be falling into chaos anytime soon, and if Leliana would simply have failed at her reforms...well, then there'd have been no reason to make her and her reforms an option at all.

 

So yes, I'm quite certain that Leliana will succeed. Dislike it as you wish, but I'd say it's better for you to have your constrained option and for us to have our free option; that way, everyone's happy.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ok bro. If the religious institution closest to your beliefs (if you have one) suddenly started preaching the opposite of what they've been preaching forever how likely will you be to follow it? Answer that honestly. Unless you were already sympathetic to that institution's new line of thinking you're much more likely to disagree and call them out on 'their bullshit'.

 

I know this is fiction, but suspension of disbelief is a thing. People aren't going to hold hands just because the Chantry said so, especially on an issue they've been on the opposite side of for a millennium.

We're dudebros now? This makes me glad. :]

 

It isn't that simple, this isn't so much religious doctrine as it is fear of a certain individuals power. The chantry conditioned people to believe that all mages were dangerous and therefore shouldn't be trusted, when this simply wasn't the case. Not every mage is weak willed, or unable to resist demons. They took the bad examples, and then put every mage in the same boat. If the divine chooses to show people the truth of the matter, that not all mages are bad or succumb to possession then people will (and according to the epilogue are) accepting of that. People always fear what they don't understand, but once the truth of the matter comes out rational thinking enters. You should also take notice that we don't know how long it takes for the epilogue actions to take place, it isn't as if this happened the next day. 

 

More people accepting magic more than before =/= even remotely close to half of all people accepting magic entirely. That doesn't happen overnight, or in a lifetime, especially with the legitimate dangers of magic. It's likely that such acceptance will never happen. It's like accepting the neighbor next door who has a personal armory. 

So a personal armory makes him dangerous? If someone wanted to kill someone, they'd hardly need an armory to do it. An armory has many purposes, primarily which is to protect oneself or their family. Using your logic I shouldn't trust my loyal dog because another untrained dog can turn and attack me. Therefore all dogs must be bad.