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No, I support Cassandra as Divine as well. Granted, I'd rather just have it go to Giselle by default, but of the 3 candidates, I think Cass is the best.
I mean, if any mages get out of line, she could probably handle them by herself, never mind the established Templars and Seekers.
No, I support Cassandra as Divine as well. Granted, I'd rather just have it go to Giselle by default, but of the 3 candidates, I think Cass is the best.
I could disregard the clash of personality and push for Cassandra becoming Divine if it didn't mean ending the romance.
Leliana really was the worst candidate for Divine for me since I typically supported her taking cold and calculating action. It seemed necessary of the Inquisition's spymaster. While it was slightly tempting to support someone with that mentality to become the next Divine, in the end Leliana was just too damn crazy for the role.
Cassandra is not a bad candidate, but I would rather see her rebuild the Seekers, and then she may also be my romance on any given career. In the end I really like Vivienne the best for Divine. Just love the fit.
No, I support Cassandra as Divine as well. Granted, I'd rather just have it go to Giselle by default, but of the 3 candidates, I think Cass is the best.
I'd support Cassandra if she didn't punch everything and only reformed the Templars/Seekers. I'd support Leliana, as she lets other races into the Chantry, if she didn't act like mages somehow should be able to rule themselves unlike anyone else on the planet. I support Vivienne simply because she' changing the root of the problem, mages, without being extreme. Giselle would be the obvious choice of all four, but again, sense is not a factor in a BioWare IP.
I could disregard the clash of personality and push for Cassandra becoming Divine if it didn't mean ending the romance.
As a very wise woman once said, "We must think beyond ourselves, as she did."
Cassandra is my Divine of choice as well. Was pleased that she got the spot in my first run, plan to keep it that way on my other ones too.
I do not have an ‘ideal’ Divine, because I would rather not pick one. What I would do (right after defeating old Cory) is write a decree, telling those who have served the Inquisition loyally, that they have fought long and hard sacrificing limb, and life, so that Thedas can have a tomorrow. I would tell them that I would liquidate all of the Inquisition’s assets so that they can rebuild their homes, and honor the fallen. These assets would be used to help them resituate into their lives--if they only agree to it. If not, they can continue to serve the Inquisition, but most likely as tools of the chantry. However, any Divine who does not give the people of the Inquisition the respect to choose whether they want to remain, or leave and live their lives, is a despot not worthy of her position. Either way, I would have my Inquisitor ask them to show him the same respect, of said choice (to stay or leave), and then my Inquisitor would quit and ride off into the sunset.
A nice but risky gambit, for someone who wants to say “**** you” to the chantry, and not be its tool. My Inquisitor was there to stop Cory, and the rifts, not to become the chantry’s militaristic pet. Too bad it's not an ending, I'll just hope for a mod. lol
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I don't have an ideal either..
Since I'm a Chantry fan as it is, the best I can do is just try to keep it as similar as possible.. which, I guess, is Vivienne (although that is radical in it's own way too). But it sucks that you don't even have to care or relate to the Chantry at all, and you still affect things. Who gives a **** about ideals? lol. You can be some nobody from some Dalish clan or Carta, and you still decide the fate of a religion of millions. Imagine if some random schmuck came out of nowhere and started making decisions that changed all Catholics or Buddhists. It's inconceivable.
This should be the job of the world builders. Not me. I hate having this power. I hate that anyone has it. Cassandra is right to wonder if she (or I) has gone crazy.
I don't have an ideal either..
Since I'm a Chantry fan as it is, the best I can do is just try to keep it as similar as possible.. which, I guess, is Vivienne (although that is radical in it's own way too). But it sucks that you don't even have to care or relate to the Chantry at all, and you still have a say so in matters. This is the height of ridiculous power fantasy.
Imagine if some random schmuck came out of nowhere and started making decisions that changed all Catholics or Buddhists. It's inconceivable.
Yes, it is dumb that you cannot remain separate from Chantry matters, even if you are secular. I'm thinking this was bias, and or oversight on Bioware’s part (them assuming everyone would want to be an active agent in the reformation of the chantry). In the end, you are forced to be the militaristic arm of the chantry. No matter what, you become its dancing monkey with a sword. What I mentioned in my post above does not happen.
As for the Catholic Church, the UN is trying to make the church change. It is trying to make them come clean to the world about its support of fascism during world war II, and its trying to make them come clean about its systematic covering up of child rape. Which are things that apparently people such as you do not think are punishable when an uber-powerful theocratic organization does it. That power (that the church get from the public’s complacency), in our mundane world, is most certainly not fantastical. The UN cannot act on the Church, because many of those random schmuchs are content, that the ‘prestigious’ Church of Rome sends their grandmother's Christmas cards i.e. the church is still the favorite toy of many people, and they will get cranky if it is taken away. Not to mention, powerful politcal players have a vested intrest in the 'politcal economy' of the church.
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Yes, it is dumb that you cannot remain separate from Chantry matters, even if you are secular. I'm thinking this was bias, and or oversight on Bioware’s part (them assuming everyone would want to be an active agent in the reformation of the chantry). In the end, you are forced to be the militaristic arm of the chantry. No matter what, you become its dancing monkey with a sword. What I mentioned in my post above does not happen.
As for the Catholic Church, the UN is trying to make the church change. It is trying to make them come clean to the world about its support of fascism during world war II, and its trying to make them come clean about its systematic covering up of child rape. Which are things that apparently people such as you do not think are punishable when an uber-powerful theocratic organization does it. That power (that the church get from the public’s complacency), in our mundane world, is most certainly not fantastical. The UN cannot act on the Church, because many of those random schmuchs are content, that the ‘prestigious’ Church of Rome sends their grandmother's Christmas cards i.e. the church is still the favorite toy of many people, and they will get cranky if it is taken away. Not to mention, powerful politcal players have a vested intrest in the 'politcal economy' of the church.
There's nothing wrong with getting a group to fess up about crimes. There are individuals involved in such matters. It's not the group as a whole per se.
The UN doesn't meddle with theology or doctrine however.
As for Bioware's oversight. I think they just shoehorned these races in, without much thought. It was originally designed as human only. I'm not even sure if the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing was part of the original story. To me, that just sounds like a way to make your role important to the Chantry, no matter who you are. I would preferred a more involved background dealing with mages/templars.
edit: Actually, the story was going to continue with Hawke. Then a new human. Then the randomness we have now.
There's nothing wrong with getting a group to fess up about crimes. There are individuals involved in such matters. It's not the group as a whole per se.
The UN doesn't meddle with theology or doctrine however.
As for Bioware's oversight. I think they just shoehorned these races in, without much thought. It was originally designed as human only. I'm not even sure if the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing was part of the original story. To me, that just sounds like a way to make your role important to the Chantry, no matter who you are. I would preferred a more involved background... with a invested interest in mages/templars.
The “UN does not meddle with theology or doctrine”. Is a red herring, do you know what the Holy See is? I am not sure why you are talking about race, that is also a separate issue from what I was talking about. The Catholic Church, is a multinational organization, and considered a country, and they will not just be ‘confessing’ crimes they will be facing an international court over the genocide and rape that it supported and covered up. Again, you seem to be perfectly content that it has done these things, by telling yourself that ‘oh it was you know a handful of people…’ If a government supported actions that have caused harms internationally, what sort of court do they face? The person living in fantasy is you.
http://www.secularis...-on-child-abuse
One would think that any morally average person, who comes to power in an Organization (etc)and learns of the horrid actions that said organization has supported over the years, would simply shut the damn thing down. Apparently, there is no genocide or rape scandal large enough to affect a pope to do so. What would the “schmucks” do without their ‘Please, don’t tickle me Elmo’?
Lets keep politics and religion out of this thread please.
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Lets keep politics and religion out of this thread please.
Seriously. I wasn't even expecting it to reach this level. Wtf 
It's why I mentioned both Catholicism and Buddhism. It was meant to be a catchall and broad comment. I'll mention Voodoo, Wiccans, and Hare Krishnas for good measure. The point is, outsiders don't rewrite their doctrines. THAT is my point. NOTHING ELSE. I don't need to hear some tirade about Catholicism specifically. As if I gave a damn.
Seriously. I wasn't even expecting it to reach this level. Wtf
It's why I mentioned both Catholicism and Buddhism. It was meant to be a catchall and broad comment. I'll mention Voodoo, Wiccans, and Hare Krishnas for good measure. The point is, outsiders don't rewrite their doctrines. THAT is my point. NOTHING ELSE. I don't need to hear some tirade about Catholicism specifically. As if I gave a damn.
Well, you run along then. You didn't have to mention that you don't give a damn. That was already quite clear.
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Well, you run along then. You didn't have to mention that you don't give a damn. That was already quite clear.
No, I'm not running along. This thread is for everyone, dude.
What I don't give a damn about is defending Catholicism to you. You seem to want to prop me up for that.. when that wasn't my position at all. I was only using them to illustrate something. I'm not Catholic. I was making a general statement on how random people don't decide the fate of religions. It could be Catholicism, Buddhism, or whatever. Somehow, some way, you've managed to actually find controversy in that. As if I've made the most offensive statement ever. lol
Random thought. If Vivienne can change the rules (or have the rules changed for her) so that a mage can be divine, why couldn't cassandra change the rules (or have them changed for her) so that she can stay with the inquisitor?
Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me...
No, I'm not running along. This thread is for everyone, dude.
What I don't give a damn about is defending Catholicism to you. You seem to want to prop me up for that.. when that wasn't my position at all. I was only using them to illustrate something. I'm not Catholic. I was making a general statement on how random people don't decide the fate of religions. It could be Catholicism, Buddhism, or whatever. Somehow, some way, you've managed to actually find controversy in that. As if I've made the most offensive statement ever. lol
You might want to contemplate what doctrine means to the "Holy See".
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Random thought. If Vivienne can change the rules (or have the rules changed for her) so that a mage can be divine, why couldn't cassandra change the rules (or have them changed for her) so that she can stay with the inquisitor?
Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me...
Because that would make players happy. And the writers can't have that.
Random thought. If Vivienne can change the rules (or have the rules changed for her) so that a mage can be divine, why couldn't cassandra change the rules (or have them changed for her) so that she can stay with the inquisitor?
Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me...
It was mentioned by the writer of Leliana (on twitter I think), that Leliana eventually does this for the Warden. Cassandra might be too conservative, to think of it. I doubt you would be able to get as straight an answer from Gaider. lol
Random thought. If Vivienne can change the rules (or have the rules changed for her) so that a mage can be divine, why couldn't cassandra change the rules (or have them changed for her) so that she can stay with the inquisitor?
Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me...
Cass doesn't break up with the inquisitor because the Divine can't have a lover, but because she feels she needs to devote herself entirely to the position, that she needs to focus on the bigger picture and not what she wants.
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You might want to contemplate what doctrine means to the "Holy See".
I'm not sure what you mean. I know they've rewritten their own rules many times over the centuries. But that was them that did it. Not outsiders.
In any case, you need to distinguish when someone is just making a general statement. It's like the minute Catholicism was mentioned, you just unloaded.. as if I was the representative of it. I don't need this. Not at 3:00 AM. 
This feels very familiar to me.. stupid bears.. and thanks Cassandra for taking the brunt of it
This feels very familiar to me.. stupid bears.. and thanks Cassandra for taking the brunt of it
She should have taken Sera's suggestion and punched it in the face... 
This feels very familiar to me.. stupid bears.. and thanks Cassandra for taking the brunt of it
A woman's place is between me and the things trying to kill me.
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Cassandra being unkillable even on Nightmare is what I expect from her. No more or less. I can only imagine her relief when she found out that the Inquisitor chose to follow the Way of the Knight Enchanter.
I'm not sure why anyone would want a person who allows herself to be changed psychologically by two people she hardly even knows as the leader of the largest and most powerful organization in Thedas.
Well, one candidate hates being around nobility in addition to being staid and conservative, and the other is flat-out evil.
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