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Divine Victoria and the Prince/ss-Consort of Ferelden. That'll work out.
Anyway, Cassandra wants reform, Leliana wants to start over. They don't think the same. I'm also fine with the romance ending this way. The Inquisitor's happiness means nothing when compared to the happiness of the rest of Thedas. I just like Divine Vivienne more.
No prob. I like them both. I don't want either to be Divine. I think their individual/personal lives are more interesting.
Well, Vivienne's evil and repulsive, so... I'd rather avoid that, thanks.
Well, Vivienne's evil and repulsive, so... I'd rather avoid that, thanks.
Why is she evil, exactly?
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Well, Vivienne's evil and repulsive, so... I'd rather avoid that, thanks.
I think she's great. My favorite mage in DA, so far. Maybe Velanna was a little cooler.
Why is she evil, exactly?
Don't get her started lol
Long story short, Vivienne doesn't share her views
Why is she evil, exactly?
Look at who you're talking to. Because she's a conservative mage who doesn't cater to Dalish.
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Look at who you're talking to. Because she's a conservative mage who doesn't cater to Dalish.
That's funny.. since I can juggle the two contrary ideas.. by liking Velanna.
Well, Vivienne's evil and repulsive, so... I'd rather avoid that, thanks.
I do wonder what Vivienne will be up to if the Circles are dissolved, the College of Enchanters is established, and Leliana governs the Chantry as the new Divine. Cassandra, at least, can either stay with the Inquisition or rebuild the Seekers.
Vivienne seeks power. In some ways that in fact makes her the Tevinter nightmare everyone in Thedas is afraid of.
She just does it while saying the right things.
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I do wonder what Vivienne will be up to if the Circles are dissolved, the College of Enchanters is established, and Leliana governs the Chantry as the new Divine. Cassandra, at least, can either stay with the Inquisition or rebuild the Seekers.
I think she'd probably just find a little personal focus and happiness, as the others do if not Divine.
I wonder if with lelianna in charge we are on the first step to a mageocracy? if so, that might be interesting outcome.
Look at who you're talking to. Because she's a conservative mage who doesn't cater to Dalish.
It likely has to do with her moral opposition to the Chantry controlled Circles, rather than your perceived notions about the Dalish.
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Vivienne seeks power. In some ways that in fact makes her the Tevinter nightmare everyone in Thedas is afraid of.
She just does it while saying the right things.
haha.. Well, she does say the right things. Even Cassandra is a little in limbo with her beliefs.. Vivienne is refreshing, being the only true Chantry supporter on the group... and a mage to boot. If it's all for power, then good on her. She fooled me.
It likely has to do with her moral opposition to the Chantry controlled Circles, rather than your perceived notions about the Dalish.
That would not make Vivienne pure evil as opposed to anyone else. "Let the mages rule themselves with our guidance," is basically the Chantry as it was before.
That would not make Vivienne pure evil as opposed to anyone else. "Let the mages rule themselves with our guidance," is basically the Chantry as it was before.
There are people who condemned the institution of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, so you would be mistaken to think that only the Dalish would be morally opposed to the status quo that Vivenne wants to bring back; whether or not you see it as such is another matter entirely.
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Seriously, I'd have to give her mad props if her game was to be a magister this whole time.
She basically told the rebels to ****** off and led the loyalist fraternity all this time. She could have found her opening to Tevinter by siding with Fiona, but no! She had some devious plan to manipulate the Loyalists.. and the future/non-existent Inquisition later.
haha.. Well, she does say the right things. Even Cassandra is a little in limbo with her beliefs.. Vivienne is refreshing, being the only true Chantry supporter on the group... and a mage to boot. If it's all for power, then good on her. She fooled me.
The conversation about how she got her position at court, and the later cut scene where she (well, I guess can) manipulates a scenario to make it appear as if the Inquisitor supports her for Divine both show her as a power-seeker.
There are people who condemned the institution of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, so you would be mistaken to think that only the Dalish would be morally opposed to the status quo that Vivenne wants to bring back; whether or not you see it as such is another matter entirely.
Except the actual writers. But I'm sure you know more about the Circle than Gaider, Lob. Just like you know more about the setting than anyone else. Even when it blatantly tells you you're wrong.
That would not make Vivienne pure evil as opposed to anyone else. "Let the mages rule themselves with our guidance," is basically the Chantry as it was before.
I never said pure evil.
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The conversation about how she got her position at court, and the later cut scene where she (well, I guess can) manipulates a scenario to make it appear as if the Inquisitor supports her for Divine both show her as a power-seeker.
So what. It means she plays the Game. It doesn't mean she wants to be like Tevinter. She founds herself on completely different principles. And she gives you good approval if you express similar beliefs about such things. Like meeting Alexius.
Seriously, I'd have to give her mad props if her game was to be a magister this whole time.
She basically told the rebels to ****** off and led the loyalist fraternity all this time. She could have found her opening to Tevinter by siding with Fiona, but no! She had some devious plan to manipulate the Loyalists.. and the future/non-existent Inquisition later.
I wasn't suggesting that. Just that she has some of the very same ambitions people in Thedas are worried about. She just has them properly, within the socially acceptable confines of Chantry dogma.
The conversation about how she got her position at court, and the later cut scene where she (well, I guess can) manipulates a scenario to make it appear as if the Inquisitor supports her for Divine both show her as a power-seeker.
That's how you play The Game.... of Thrones 
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That's how you play The Game.... of Thrones
Her entire philosophy is about the dangers and responsibility of magic. I think she's sincere about it. She doesn't play around there. Politics are a different matter.
So what. It means she plays the Game. It doesn't mean she wants to be like Tevinter. She founds herself on completely different principles. And she gives you good approval if you express similar beliefs about such things. Like meeting Alexius.
Good Lord, I half wanted the option to kill all three of them.
Just baricade the doors and light the whole palace on fire.
Except the actual writers. But I'm sure you know more about the Circle than Gaider, Lob. Just like you know more about the setting than anyone else. Even when it blatantly tells you you're wrong.
You might want to respond to what I actually write next time. Since you seem to have missed the point, let me repeat myself: when fictional characters in Thedas, like Aldenon or Anders, condemn the institution of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, it's clear that the Dalish aren't the only ones who might oppose a return to the status quo.
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