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[Bucky]

Her entire philosophy is about the dangers and responsibility of magic. I think she's sincere about it. She doesn't play around there. Politics are a different matter.

She was pretty quick to use magic on the guy who tries to challenge the Inquisitor to a duel.  And then flat out offers to execute him while he's helpless.

[Bucky]

lol.. all three of who? 

 

edit: nvm. Fiona, Alexius, and Vivienne?

 

why did you bring Vivienne in the first place?

Celene, Gaspard, and Briala.

 

Really anyone wearing a mask though.   Just one of those things that irks me and I can't really justify it.

[herkles]

I am curious if leliana's actions might be laying the ground work for southern thedas to take the steps into becoming a mageocracy?

[LobselVith8]

I am curious if leliana's actions might be laying the ground work for southern thedas to take the steps into becoming a mageocracy?

 

I don't think that would be the case. Ferelden is governed by it's own monarchy, while the Inquisition can actively support one of three potential candidates to rule the throne. The College of Enchanters seems to be an institution aimed at having mages govern themselves, and trying to solve age-old problems.

 

Inquisition seemed to be about offering pro-mage and pro-templars a choice in shaping Thedas to a specific outcome, where the Circles are restored, or where the mages are given the opportunity to govern themselves. I don't think either option is meant to overshadow the other as the 'correct' one.

[herkles]

I don't think that would be the case. Ferelden is governed by it's own monarchy, while the Inquisition can actively support one of three potential candidates to rule the throne. The College of Enchanters seems to be an institution aimed at having mages govern themselves, and trying to solve age-old problems.

Inquisition seemed to be about offering pro-mage and pro-templars a choice in shaping Thedas to a specific outcome, where the Circles are restored, or where the mages are given the opportunity to govern themselves. I don't think either option is meant to overshadow the other as the 'correct' one.

Yet when they govern themselves who watches for admonitions or blood magic?

[Xilizhra]

That all said, I'm glad to see that Vivienne is so divisive. I don't want to defend her too much. I like that some people distrust her. Or just hate her.

 

To me, she presents an interesting challenge. That one can still be a heavy Chantry supporter in this game, but you have to ease up on mages a bit still. For those people who just can't get past that, they are put in similar predicaments with Leliana and Cassandra. Just in different ways and to different degrees.

I don't feel like I'm in any predicament at all.

[Br3admax]

Yet when they govern themselves who watches for admonitions or blood magic?

The ones who aren't possessed, silly. Hopefully there are enough of those. 

[LobselVith8]

The ones who aren't possessed, silly. Hopefully there are enough of those. 

 

So, Meredith and the rest of the Red Templars are out of the question, then.

[Bucky]

I realize it's not supposed to be a modern world with modern ideas, but sometimes it seems like the people in the world lack some nuance and imagination.

 

I don't know about the EU material, but I've never run across ideas in the games like the Circles being academies with compulsory education for mages, who graduate to self-determination after passing their Harrowing; maybe checking in every 6 months or year or something.

 

Then have the Templars act like a mage-specific police force.  Or even have Templar-trained specialists in civilian police forces.

[Bucky]

What I mean is, there really isn't much in the way of a middle suggested.

 

CIrcles or no circles.

 

Mage freedom or Templars, as if you couldn't have both.

[Bucky]

Yeah, but the Inquisitor can't suggest it either.

 

I actually liked that there were a couple of [stay out of it] "dialog" choices in the game.

[Bucky]

Separating a group of people, keeping them isolated from family and other community ties, telling them they're different and dangerous and watching them at all times is a bad idea on a purely practical level. 

 

You can't sit around scratching your head over why they don't understand the concerns of regular people and have a limited world view.

 

I still don't understand how you get them to fight the Blight.  What do they care unless it gets to the tower?

 

If Tevinter were to ever invade, a lot of the south's heavy artillery is going to be eating popcorn.

[Br3admax]

I feel sorry for the ones who strive to protect themselves from demons every time they go to sleep. Being allowed to live is not condolence for being tortured every time you close your eyes. 

[Bucky]

Bah...if the Chantry had the courage of their convictions, they'd just banish them.

 

But then they couldn't also have them around for when they needed them for healing or to fight Arl so-and-so's war.

 

 

Eitther way, my point is that normal, not normal, no hope, whatever...it's a situation that will always backfire given time.

[LobselVith8]

Bah...if the Chantry had the courage of their convictions, they'd just banish them.

 

But then they couldn't also have them around for when they needed them for healing or to fight Arl so-and-so's war.

 

 

Eitther way, my point is that normal, not normal, no hope, whatever...it's a situation that will always backfire given time.

 

Which is part of the reason why I'm partial to seeing Leliana become the new Divine. I think it's also possible Cassandra's reformation of the Seekers of Truth might include mages, once it accepts new members; Cassandra seems to have no issue recruiting mages into the Inquisition, after all.