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Débuté par Maria Caliban , mars 26 2014 12:53

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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:01

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Ok dude. Go play GTA or something. Fantasy-fiction clearly isn't your genre. Why do people insist on making the setting mundane and boring?

 

Fantasy isn't all about magic. There's fun in the martial and political aspects as well. And fun when characters deal with magic, but hate it. Robert E Howard was one of the first fantasy writers and his flagship character (Conan) hated magic. Not just hate. It was the only thing he feared.

 

I've been following this genre my whole life. You got the wrong impression. I'm just not the type of fantasy fan who relishes in all the mystical stuff. Call me more like a historical fiction fan, but with a love for the fantastic at times. 

 

Do you honestly think I'd even be here, three games in this series, if I didn't like it? And I'm like some dumb jock who needs to play GTA? Get over yourself. 


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:03

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Fantasy isn't all about magic. There's fun in the martial and political aspects as well. And fun when characters deal with magic, but hate it. Robert E Howard was one of the first fantasy writers and his flagship character (Conan) hated magic. Not just hate. It was the only thing he feared.

 

I've been following this genre my whole life. You got the wrong impression. I'm just not the type of fantasy fan who relishes in all the mystical stuff. Call me more like a historical fiction fan, but with a love for the fantastic at times. 

He has a point.  DA:I seems to have gone from dark fantasy to straight up PURE ADRENALINE FUELED, IN YOUR FACE fantasy.   The big bad at the end goes all JRPG and raises buildings 10000 feet into the sky for god's sake. 


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Wait a second..

 

Darkknight, weren't we just being friendly in that thread about the Elven gods? 

 

I don't think we need to fight. You should know me better.


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No they don't. Literally no one but Flemeth has since the fall of Arlathan. Seriously. They just meet something in the Fade and let it posses them. That's stupid. I don't give a **** about Templar dogma, it not being real and all, what I care about is that if a culture can pass of an abomination as a natural occurrence and not blame it on themselves, there's a problem. 

 Lol, right. What good, besides the Warden possibly, has ever come from Morrigan following the "natural order?" If anything DA has been since the very beginning saying to move forward and stop being mired in the past. Unless you get a different meaning from every choice she's ever made biting her in the ass. 

 Not it isn't. Tell the spirit or demon no. If you can't do that become Tranquil. Problem solved. If you aren't strong enough to resist a demon, you don't need magical powers. 

You're arguing that we should just let ticking time bombs that can kill entire villages as children exist because Solas. That's honestly, no offense, the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. And I've seen a lot recently. And I clearly said Wynne wasn't possessed. Once again, having a spirit inside you, does not make you possessed. You have to willingly merge with it, or it has to torture you until you give in to it's demands. Otherwise, you are not possessed. 

 

 

I'm going to ask you again, proof? Because you keep using speculation as justification for going Chicken Little on Rivain.

 

Aight answer this honestly... if the Templars knew that Wynne was housing a Faith Spirit she would be cut down on the spot for being an abomination right?

 

That's my point. 

 

What's not to say the Rivaini Seers are like Wynne, because as far as I know there hasn't been anything from the DA IP set there yet.


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:06

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He has a point.  DA:I seems to have gone from dark fantasy to straight up PURE ADRENALINE FUELED, IN YOUR FACE fantasy.   The big bad at the end goes all JRPG and raises buildings 10000 feet into the sky for god's sake. 

 

DA:I was a dark fantasy? 


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DA:I was a dark fantasy? 

 

Dragon Age in general was originally billed as dark fantasy.


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Wait a second..

 

Darkknight, weren't we just being friendly in that thread about the Elven gods? 

 

I don't think we need to fight. You should know me better.

 

Nah not fighting. I just come across as dickish sometimes.


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Nah not fighting. I just come across as dickish sometimes.

 

Fine.

 

GTA is pretty good though. :P


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:12

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Dragon Age in general was originally billed as dark fantasy.

 

Did a dev say that because even DAO wasn't that much of a dark fantasy


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Did a dev say that because even DAO wasn't that much of a dark fantasy

 

Depends on how you play. Abandon Redcliffe to the undead, kill Connor, side with the Disciples of Andraste and drink the dragon blood, side with the Werewolves, side with Branka and use casteless to make golems, ect. There's your dark fantasy


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:18

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I'm going to ask you again, proof? Because you keep using speculation as justification for going Chicken Little on Rivain.

Prove what, that Seers allow themselves to be possessed and treat "accidents" as if they just happen? That's in WoT. 

 

 

Aight answer this honestly... if the Templars knew that Wynne was housing a Faith Spirit she would be cut down on the spot for being an abomination right?

Probably. Would they be wrong to? Yes. Does that matter when another man did the exact same thing for all they know and went insane? No. Wynne didn't have a choice, a Spirit saved her because she bonded with it, without letting it possess her I might add. It matters little, I'm not a Templar and I'm not here to defend Chantry dogma. I'm condeming thought that somehow, allowing possession which has never ended well outside of the elven pantheon, is a good idea. 

 

 

That's my point. 

My point is following the natural order is dumb. I doubt it's yours. 

 

 

What's to say the Rivaini Seers aren't like Wynne because as far as I know there hasn't been anything from the DA IP set there yet.

WoT says Seers willingly allow themselves to be possessed. They invite spirits into their bodies. DA:I definitely said that for souls. And all lore from before treats it the same for spirits. Wynne, for all we know of abominations, did not actually join with the spirit, which is why she's even able to remove it. Demons cannot be separated once they join with the vessel outside of the Fade. Even if she had, it's not like that would be a good idea either way. 


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Did a dev say that because even DAO wasn't that much of a dark fantasy

 

I don't know. It was in the marketing and blurbs. I think it might even be on the old DAO website.

 

Maybe a dev said it, but I'm not going to say they did. I know that Gaider had a simple objective. He was asked to create a traditional fantasy setting (dwarves, elves, etc), but what he brought to the table was simple realism. He didn't want gods to be present like D&D, and he wanted to realistically treat things like D&D's "charm" spells in a way real people would. People wouldn't like being controlled and influenced. And that gave rise to his ideas about blood magic.

 

Kind of getting off the subject, but I don't think his objective was dark exactly. Just some added realism. Maybe the "dark" is in the realism of it. Death and war isn't very cartoony or trivial here at least. There's a lot of chances of tragedy.


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Prove what, that Seers allow themselves to be possessed and treat "accidents" as if they just happen? That's in WoT. 

Probably. Would they be wrong to? Yes. Does that matter when another man did the exact same thing for all they know and went insane? No. Wynne didn't have a choice, a Spirit saved her because she bonded with it, without letting it possess her I might add. It matters little, I'm not a Templar and I'm not here to defend Chantry dogma. I'm condeming thought that somehow, allowing possession which has never ended well outside of the elven pantheon, is a good idea. 

My point is following the natural order is dumb. I doubt it's yours. 

WoT says Seers willingly allow themselves to be possessed. They invite spirits into their bodies. DA:I definitely said that for souls. And all lore from before treats it the same for spirits. Wynne, for all we know of abominations, did not actually join with the spirit, which is why she's even able to remove it. Demons cannot be separated once they join with the vessel outside of the Fade. Even if she had, it's not like that would be a good idea either way. 

 

Dude you're being close minded as hell. You're saying something is a certain way without knowing anything about it. Up until recently 90% of the lore was filtered through the southern Chantry's perspective. And we all know their biases when it comes to everything magic not to mention misunderstood magic.

 

I'm thinking Seers have mastered what you call 'possession'. They know how to keep unbound spirits from being corrupted. There are no good spirits or bad demons. There are spirits who've become twisted and deviated from their original purpose. Cole is living freaking proof. If the Seers are smart enough to know how to do these things I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to interacting with spirits.

 

By this logic they're closer to Spirit Healers than abominations. But the White Chantry's views on magic up until DA:I has been so narrow that they wouldn't bother with distinguishing one from the other. So they're all 'abominations' by default, because it's easier that way. 


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By this logic they're closer to Spirit Healers than abominations. But the White Chantry's views on magic up until DA:I has been so narrow that they wouldn't bother with distinguishing one from the other. So they're all 'abominations' by default, because it's easier that way. 

 

It isn't just about being narrow. It's the high instances of seeing nothing but things confirming their view.

 

You act like Cole's existence disproves everything.. when he's a fluke.

 

I'm not saying they're entirely right. I'm saying they're justified and right to exercise caution.


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It isn't just about being narrow. It's the high instances of seeing nothing but things confirming their view.

 

You act like Cole's existence disproves everything.. when he's a fluke.

 

I'm not saying they're entirely right. I'm saying they're justified and right to exercise caution.

 

And I can acknowledge that Chantry's concerns are legit. But how much of it is self fulfilling prophecy? It just annoys me when I'm willing to look at both sides of the argument. A lot of people get stuck on one side or the other, declare how correct they are, declare how wrong the opposition is, and then draw a line in the sand. If that's how this world worked I wouldn't want to be a fan of it. There's a lot of muddy waters in DA metaphysics and morality. But I often feel like I'm one of the few that remember it.


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:50

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And I can acknowledge that Chantry's concerns are legit. But how much of it is self fulfilling prophecy? It just annoys me when I'm willing to look at both sides of the argument. A lot of people get stuck on one side or the other, declare how correct they are, declare how wrong the opposition is, and then draw a line in the sand. If that's how this world worked I wouldn't want to be a fan of it. There's a lot of muddy waters in DA metaphysics and morality. But I often feel like I'm one of the few that remember it.

 

I'll give you credit for wanting to be openminded. I don't have the imagination for it. I'm creeped out by most of the stuff dealing with the spirit world. I value the concrete out of game, so I do it in game as well.

 

It isn't Chantry dogma in my case though.. Although I'm glad that faction exists. Since it gives me a vehicle for this stance.


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:53

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Did a dev say that because even DAO wasn't that much of a dark fantasy

Face it, you just can't stand me being right. 


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I think you see many cases of "dark fantasy" in the sense of "tragic/bleak". 

 

The other definition is dark fantasy has horror elements. I don't recall that pervading the setting. There's the brood mother and connor's death. Those are like horror stories.


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 04:58

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Face it, you just can't stand me being right. 

 

I don't really care if your right or not

 

I just never really considered the DA series (specifically DAO and DAI) a dark fantasy


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If the darkspawn had been a tad bit more menacing.. and ate babies... and... ummm.. the archdemon actually spoke some freaky Cthlulu shite that crushed your soul just hearing it.. then I'd call it dark.

 

edit: Same applies to Cory, I guess.

 

He could have said more demoralizing things. In a way, I saw his underlying cause as just misguided and sad.


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Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 05:29

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Not even the Seekers would ever allow a spirit to possess recruits, at most, it touched their minds only.

 

Yeah, I doubt it. We know far too little of spirit interactions in general to be able to say where practices differ, or make a judgement of Rivain culture and its seers.

 

I'd consider the Seekers one of the least credible authorities on the subject, given recent events. Makes the annulment at Dairsmuid look quite ironic in hindsight.


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Wait a second..
 
Darkknight, weren't we just being friendly in that thread about the Elven gods? 
 
I don't think we need to fight. You should know me better.

discussions on magic always ruin friendship... idk why haha

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Something I found funny. When you decide to spend time with Cassandra, the kissing and fade to black sex scene happen right near the smiths. Guess Cass is an exhibitionists. LOL


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