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[MisterJB]

Then you don't elect her. See we have this thing called Grand Clerics who willingly choose to vote for someone. Vivienne's political savviness didn't elect her. The Inquisition did. And for your information, Calpernia has done absolutely nothing wrong outside of fighting for her country and trying to restore it. She didn't use blood magic. She freed slaves. And treated everyone fairly. Of course she's a mage, so she also kills children in their sleep, but eh, who doesn't?

 

And ellecting her opens the door for other mages to be ellected in the future. Strange that having a man on the Sunburst throne is too similar to Tevinter but having a mage is actually an option.

 

Calpernia is the leader of the Venatori. Everything they do, she is responsible for. That alternate future? Her.
 

[Br3admax]

And ellecting her opens the door for other mages to be ellected in the future. Strange that having a man on the Sunburst throne is too similar to Tevinter but having a mage is actually an option.

Men were't put on the throne long before the two Chantries split, so that's not the reason. Men aren't on the throne because of Maferath and reasons. In fact, men are elected in Tevinter to distinguish from The White Divine, not the other way around. Electing Vivienne sets a precedent for mage Divines as much as Justinia being elected set a precedent for reformist who want to release mages. None. The ones in power set these things, and the ones in power would decide on them regardless of who came before. 

 

 

Calpernia is the leader of the Venatori. Everything they do, she is responsible for. That alternate future? Her.

Not really. Corypheus is responsible for everything they do. She only uses them to further her cause in saving Tevinter and freeing slaves. If you actually got a chance to learn her character, you'd know that. Either way, someone like her would never be made Divine. It takes a lot of backwoods logic to think that because a person shares a trait with someone in power, they are likely to gain similar power. 

[Andres Hendrix]

With any luck, they'll use the Inquisitor's bedchamber as the trigger to start DLC (Wake up next to your love interest, cutscene, then falls through to the start of the DLC).

 

Otherwise, I'm an Inquisitor looking to rent my bedchamber out to someone.

 

But to keep this in line with the thread topic, if my Inquisitor and Cass have a child, I really hope one of the first things the child does is imitate Cassandra's disgusted noise expression.

 

I think my Inquisitor would beam with happiness, while Cass goes through hell and back.

Well, Cassandra-with luck-has a few more years for the whole baby making enterprise. lol

Cassandra: "My love, I am with child."

Inquisitor:   

The Entire Inquisition Cooking staff: *commit suicide* lol

[MisterJB]

Men were't put on the throne long before the two Chantries split, so that's not the reason. Men aren't on the throne because of Maferath and reasons. Electing Vivienne sets a precedent for mage Divines as much as Justinia being elected set a precedent for reformist who want to release mages. None. The ones in power set these things, and the ones in power would decide on them regardless of who came before. 

Not really. Corypheus is responsible for everything they do. She only uses them to further her cause in saving Tevinter and freeing slaves. If you actually got a chance to learn her character, you'd know that. Either way, someone like her would never be made Divine. It takes a lot of backwoods logic to think that because a person shares a trait with someone in power, they are likely to gain similar power. 

 

Max, you're not making much sense right now.

In many places of the world, a precedent is the primary tool in, say, passing a sentence. In fact, you can use it yourself in this game when passing judgement.

Having a mage as Divine of course sets a precedente. And there is always the possiblity of it being exploited at a later date.

That does not mean that every mage has a chance any more than every woman has of becoming the Divine. But by allowing one mage to do so, you lift the restriction that previously forbid them.

 

Also, if playing as a man you ask Cassandra herself why you can't be Divine, she'll tell you that making a man Divine would be the equivalent of surrendering to Tevinter.

Hence why it's strange men are an absolute "NO" but a female mage can be an option.

[o Ventus]

Outdoor sex is better. That's why.

Until some d**khead bug bites you on the nuts.

[o Ventus]

Not kidding at all. I mean, the iconic set. Not every type of armor. Some are pretty goofy.

 

That DLC armor sucks.

It doesn't help that the DLC armor all has the same look for Heavy, Medium, and Light variants, so my MageQuisitor is running around in this huge, bulky armor that looks like a trashcan that's been melted down and spread over a tablecloth.

[Br3admax]

Max, you're not making much sense right now.

In many places of the world, a precedent is the primary tool in, say, passing a sentence. In fact, you can use it yourself in this game when passing judgement.

None of those compare to elections. A mage can't become Divine. A politician becomes Divine. The fact that they have magic is irrelevant. They don't make popular choices, they'll never be Divine. I don't see why you would think otherwise. Anything a mage Divine could possibly be elected over, would happen anyway. Unlike Vivienne, they won't have the Inquisitor backing them up. 

Having a mage as Divine of course sets a precedente. And there is always the possiblity of it being exploited at a later date.

That does not mean that every mage has a chance any more than every woman has of becoming the Divine. But by allowing one mage to do so, you lift the restriction that previously forbid them.

I do not get the logic behind this. Divines are elected. By mundanes. Who care about what powers said person being elected has? If the people don't want to elect them, they won't. This is like saying because John F Kennedy was Catholic, there is no a precedent for Catholic presidents. I'll go ahead and tell you that isn't true. Who cares if a mage is Divine? She wouldn't gain that position unless she had policies others would want her to enact anyway. There was never a mage restriction on Divines anyway, just like there isn't one on male Divines. It just doesn't happen because no one wants it to. You're acting like we slashed a few rules from the book when this happens. 

 

 

 

Also, if playing as a man you ask Cassandra herself why you can't be Divine, she'll tell you that making a man Divine would be the equivalent of surrendering to Tevinter.

Hence why it's strange men are an absolute "NO" but a female mage can be an option.

 

You do realise what that sentence means yes? It does not mean what you think it does. It means no one wants to make a man Divine anymore than they want to go back to being magically oppressed, which by the way, in case you throw that out as something that would happen with a mage Divine, would not even be possible under Vivienne or any other mage, anymore than any Divine before her was able to dominate. That is to say not at all. If the people, and more importantly the church, don't want to go along with it, it won't happen. That simple, really. 

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm kind of hoping that DA4 (or even a DLC) have Cass abdicate from the Divine position once all her reforms are in place to give it to Mother Giselle.
 
Her dialogue right after the epilogue (to make her rejoin the party) is the equivalent of "I totally hate this job already and I'm not even crowned yet".

I'm just picturing multiple instances of Cass repeating the mantra of "Deal. With. It." that she gives the cranky mage/Templar after you recruit them.

[Call Me Jord]

Well, Cassandra-with luck-has a few more years for the whole baby making enterprise. lol

Cassandra: "My love, I am with child."

Inquisitor:   

The Entire Inquisition Cooking staff: *commit suicide* lol

 

I'd be quite curios if ageing works the same in Thedas as it does irl.

 

I mean, I'm pretty sure (Vivienne side quest spoiler)

Spoiler

Vivienne has a quest where you get her a creature heart, and she informs you its part of a potion that makes the person younger

 

So there's probably a bunch of other remedies and stuff that help with keeping the body...both strong, healthy, and child-bearing!

[rda]

Put of curiosity, can you get Cass mad enough at you to break up with you? I was just messing around with an old save and after the chantry rep came, you have two dialogues about her as divine I believe, and in both, I'm like, "The Chantry sucks, it's failed, blah blah." And I'm getting a bunch of Cassandra strongly disapproves. But, after those conversations she still responds the same as ever.

It's kind if immersion breaking if you can say F the chantry and tell her she would make a crappy divine and the next sentence have her be all "my love".

[Tsunami Chef]

Put of curiosity, can you get Cass mad enough at you to break up with you? I was just messing around with an old save and after the chantry rep came, you have two dialogues about her as divine I believe, and in both, I'm like, "The Chantry sucks, it's failed, blah blah." And I'm getting a bunch of Cassandra strongly disapproves. But, after those conversations she still responds the same as ever.

It's kind if immersion breaking if you can say F the chantry and tell her she would make a crappy divine and the next sentence have her be all "my love".

Well if you got to this point Cassandra is basically in love with you...soo..

[rda]

Well if you got to this point Cassandra is basically in love with you...soo..

So? If I was in love with someone and he started being an antagonistic a-hole about something I believed deeply in, it would at least be grounds for a looooong talk.

[Br3admax]

So? If I was in love with someone and he started being an antagonistic a-hole about something I believed deeply in, it would at least be grounds for a looooong talk.

Because we totally see the entire lives of the these people. I mean sure like a year went by during this game, just like in real life. 

[Who Knows]

She believes that the Inquisitor is the Herald/Sent by the Maker no matter what. That's her thing. Having faith.

[Jaison1986]

She believes that the Inquisitor is the Herald/Sent by the Maker no matter what. That's her thing. Having faith.

 

Wich starts to become pretty jarring if you take her to the fade with you and she see everything first-hand.

[The Baconer]

If one mage can be ellected as Divine, why not another in the future?

 

I wonder if that's what they used to say about Orlesians.

[Br3admax]

More importantly, literally everything else died at the Conclave, besides Justinia and the Inquisitor. Even Corypheus died there. 

[Jaison1986]

There's still enough room for providence. Corypheus didn't have to drop to Elvhen orb. The Inquisitor didn't have to pick it up. It could have been anybody to walk in on the sacrifice (imagine if Gamlen was at the Conclave and was the one who interrupted the ritual) or no one at all. But Corypheus dropped the orb when the sacrifice was interrupted by the Inquisitor who picked it up and was given the anchor.  

 

Oh, come on, if we start taking coincidence as divine intervention, then Zevran dumb luck makes him the next messiah. This is all about the Inquisitor being in the wrong place at the right time. Is it so terrible for our own actions to be the defining factor when it comes to forging our own fates?

[AresKeith]

Oh, come on, if we start taking coincidence as divine intervention, then Zevran dumb luck makes him the next messiah. This is all about the Inquisitor being in the wrong place at the right time. Is it so terrible for our own actions to be the defining factor when it comes to forging our own fates?

 

Just because you see it as a coincidence doesn't mean everyone else has to, Cassandra sees it as divine intervention 

[TheJediSaint]

More importantly, literally everything else died at the Conclave, besides Justinia and the Inquisitor. Even Corypheus died there.

Haxxors.

[azarhal]

Wich starts to become pretty jarring if you take her to the fade with you and she see everything first-hand.

 

There is nothing in the Fade that can change what Cassandra believes. In the very first cutscene in Haven, if you ask her if she believes that you are sent by the Maker she says that she believe it was divine providence. Doesn't matter if it was an accident or not. 

[Bucky]

  then Zevran dumb luck makes him the next messiah.

 

You can kill Zevran without ever speaking to him.

 

You can kill him after speaking to him.

 

You can kill him when the Crows come to retrieve him.

 

You can kill him in DA2.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Haxxors.

 

[Milan92]

More importantly, literally everything else died at the Conclave, besides Justinia and the Inquisitor. Even Corypheus died there.

Maybe Justinia was secretly Andraste in disguise.

I mean, after the post-credits scene, I'm willing to believe anybody could be a vessel of someone old and special.