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[rda]

I didn't read the novels-the game suggests they're both deeply flawed personalities who nevertheless love each other and can build a strong, peaceful, prosperous country together.

Good enough for me.

[Br3admax]

The game suggests otherwise.

The game doesn't suggest Celene is actually in love with her. Keeping a locket and saying you love someone isn't actually loving them. The fact that she'll execute Briala unless you get evidence to help her is proof enough for me. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

The game doesn't suggest Celene is actually in love with her. Keeping a locket and saying you love someone isn't actually loving them. The fact that she'll execute Briala unless you get evidence to help her is proof enough for me. 

Really? From what I've seen you have to make implicate Briala to have Celene execute her. Otherwise, Briala's fate is ignored. Also, the game doesn't indicate anything about Celene's actions apart from the alienage burning so it seems the mission is both built for book readers while also never telling average players more about the characters. Take the complete lack of Briala's eluvians.

[TheJediSaint]

Yup. With Celene it's a mixture of lust, unhealthy infatuation, and a dose of dependency. It's mos def not love. You don't kill someone you 'love' for political reasons. 

You do if you're Orlesian.

[Milan92]

Really? From what I've seen you have to make implicate Briala to have Celene execute her. Otherwise, Briala's fate is ignored. Also, the game doesn't indicate anything about Celene's actions apart from the alienage burning so it seems the mission is both built for book readers while also never telling average players more about the characters. Take the complete lack of Briala's eluvians.

You have to show the evidence of both her and Gaspard from what I gathered.

Unless you found the locket and talked with them about it.

[Br3admax]

Really? From what I've seen you have to make implicate Briala to have Celene execute her. Otherwise, Briala's fate is ignored. Also, the game doesn't indicate anything about Celene's actions apart from the alienage burning so it seems the mission is both built for book readers while also never telling average players more about the characters. Take the complete lack of Briala's eluvians.

There is no way to implicate Briala of anything if Celene is alive. And there's no reason to, the throne is already hers, what could Briala possibly do? She just kills Briala, from what I've seen and played.

 

This isn't about what the game shows us. This is about what's actually there. You implied this wasn't the case, when absolutely nothing supports Celene actually loves Briala. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

There is no way to implicate Briala of anything if Celene is alive. And there's no reason to, the throne is already hers, what could Briala possibly do? She just kills Briala, from what I've seen and played.

 

This isn't about what the game shows us. This is about what's actually there. You implied this wasn't the case, when absolutely nothing supports Celene actually loves Briala. 

Well Celene doesn't do anything to Briala and the ending reveals Briala just gets exiled. You have to make Celene execute Briala as she doesn't do it by default.

[Br3admax]

Nope, you actually have to ask for exile, not the other way around. Just like Gaspard. You picking to save her doesn't change that. 

[Milan92]

"Hey I still love you but I'm exiling you ktxbai"

[jtav]

Honestly? They're all three nuts. Which is why I like this quest. I've had Celene alone, Gaspard/Briala, and will be going for reconciliation this time. BW did a great job giving you a set of option with no obvious best option.

I'm having a blast flirting with Cass. Just past the prologue and my poor Cadash is smitten.

[Milan92]

Honestly? They're all three nuts. Which is why I like this quest. I've had Celene alone, Gaspard/Briala, and will be going for reconciliation this time. BW did a great job giving you a set of option with no obvious best option.

I'm having a blast flirting with Cass. Just past the prologue and my poor Cadash is smitten.

Liked for the flirting with Cass.

And the part where you said all three are nuts.

[TheJediSaint]

Then it's not love. And they're a souless people.

Hey, I never said it was healthy.

[Br3admax]

On another note, I wish I could relate to Cass on more personal levels. Like when she talks about Anthony. I'd like to have my own stories and tragedies (possible tragedies). When they first announced the game, the origin stories they had in mind almost sounded like Mass Effect. Different humans with different backgrounds...except we'd play through them (rather than select a profile like ME). Here, as a human, you can only relate by nobility (and whether you like it or not) and the Herlad of Andraste title. But it'd be nice if there were more personal angles. Even Hawke had this going for it.. DA2 can be a very personal story. This is a step back even from the mult-race DAO.. since they had origin stories.

 

Another reason why I hate so many race options. It just becomes all about the Herald of Andraste stuff.

There are more variations than DA:O, so it won't work. People wanted more races, more than Origins, and this is the result. There's also more content to come. This isn't even all of the base game yet. 

[Br3admax]

Yeah, I know. I'm just using the noble as an example.

 

What if, say, I wanted Trevelyan to be either diplomatic or have some tragedy that made him pissed off at mages. It changes the whole game. Then your journey partly becomes about working that out and coming to peace with it.

I'm not sure what's stopping you. 

[jtav]

I haven't romanced her, but it seems like a Cadash or Adaar would connect especially well with her desire for spiritual renewel and a focus on charity. Though this is from the perspective of someone who'd always see her as Divine.

[Br3admax]

Not my imagination, for sure.

 

It's just that I like to see little "cues" in the game that acknowledge these tropes. ME managed it, even with a crappy profile. With that little variation in origin, I could create characters that bonded with, say, Jack (Sole Survivor... Cerberus guinea pig) or Tali (colonist kind of comes to mind). Or whatever.

Play a different race. If you dare. Qunari, probably. Just like your Warden was still a spoiled brat in Highever no matter what you did, if you played human, so too was your Inquisitor, if s/he is human.