Someone posted in this thread about how this game was written around Magi Trevelyan and how everything else is sort of just there because flavors. It made a lot of sense too. Don't remember who it was.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:07
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:09
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Play a different race. If you dare. Qunari, probably. Just like your Warden was still a spoiled brat in Highever no matter what you did, if you played human, so too was your Inquisitor, if s/he is human.
Even the highever noble would get options that tapped into their peculiar emotional stance. Like telling Alistair you understand his pain, because you lost your family recently. Things like that don't happen here. You can only express things in a general way. Not in specifics.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:10
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There is a scene like that with Josephine. Right after Halamshiral, you can say how the cutthroat politics reminded you of home and she says she knows exactly how you feel.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:13
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There is a scene like that with Josephine. Right after Halamshiral, you can say how the cutthroat politics reminded you of home and she says she knows exactly how you feel.
You can comment on noble things with Cass too, to be fair. What I want is more personal/emotional angles.
Especially coming from DA2. It's their most personal game yet. **** anyone who doesn't like it ( 
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:14
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Even the highever noble would get options that tapped into their peculiar emotional stance. Like telling Alistair you understand his pain, because you lost your family recently. Things like that don't happen here. You can only express things in a general way. Not in specifics.
You're entire family doesn't need to die for characterization. Considering Trevelyan says there parents are very much alive, no matter what, it's obvious that there are no generals. They definitely are there. Pick something else to be said about. My mentor was killed by one of her students, for one.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:15
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You're entire family doesn't need to die for characterization. Considering Trevelyan says there parents are very much alive, no matter what, it's obvious that there are no generals. They definitely are there. Pick something else to be said about. My mentor was killed by one of her students, for one.
Dude. I didn't say my entire family needed to die. Just because I said that for Highever doesn't mean I want the exact thing for DAI. I meant the principle behind it. The game mechanic.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:21
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The highly specific background of something like DA2 is somewhat foreign to me. I'm used to having to come up for myself what drives me and what my hangups are. I think DAI strikes a pretty good balance, myself.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:21
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Dude. I didn't say my entire family needed to die. Just because I said that for Highever doesn't mean I want the exact thing for DAI. I meant the principle behind it. The game mechanic.
Yes, but you're acting like it's not there at all, or that we need "tragedy." I honestly think tragedy is overrated, a lot, but it's still in the game. You can talk about it with other people. It doesn't have to just be with Cassandra you know. There's other kinds of characterization with her.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 02:23
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Yes, but you're acting like it's not there at all, or that we need "tragedy." I honestly think tragedy is overrated, a lot, but it's still in the game. You can talk about it with other people. It doesn't have to just be with Cassandra you know. There's other kinds of characterization with her.
We need emotional/personal context. Not necessarily tragedy. Stop hanging on my every example and follow the principle behind them.
What works well for mage is that it's an origin with ingrained emotions and personal investment. You don't need to try hard to find them. It writes itself.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:10
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I'm just gonna jot this down so I don't forget. I hope it helps clarify what I mean.
I started this discussion mentioning Anthony. When she tells you the story, and how it took her a long time to let go of her anger, you have a few options. Top and bottom stick out to me.
"I understand."
Or "You still haven't let go."
A little dialogue choice like this means A LOT in the hands of a mage player. It says a lot about you if you tell her you "understand". Your whole psyche profile and backstory flows from that little acknowledgement. It says you're a mage who sympathizes with magic's victims. It probably says you seek to use it better. If you don't acknowledge her pain, it also says a lot. It's literally the difference between being like Galyan or Anders.
With another class, I don't know what it means. The implications don't flow as easily. Because their backstory is almost nonexistent. Are they saying they "understand" simply because they're parroting Chantry dogma? Or do they understand because they have the same experience? It would have gone a long way if your character says "I understand. I still have some anger myself." Brief, but it puts your statement in context and gives you a story.
You can accuse me of looking into it too much, and that's fair.. but it's just how I view it.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:31
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Going on a bit of a tangent here (sorry StreetMagic), but for those of you who read The Stolen Throne, do you see similarities between Cass and Queen Rowan? Physical appearance (dark hair) aside, both place duty over desire. Hopefully Cass has a better ending to her story.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:33
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Going on a bit of a tangent here (sorry StreetMagic), but for those of you who read The Stolen Throne, do you see similarities between Cass and Queen Rowan? Physical appearance (dark hair) aside, both place duty over desire. Hopefully Cass has a better ending to her story.
Not really. I see parallels with Evangeline. Both strong brunette Chantry warriors, having a lot of doubts and confusion, still hanging on faith, defining it in new ways.
Which is one of the ONLY reasons I don't want to play a mage. I don't want to rehash Evangline/Rhys. It's a good story, but it doesn't need to be told twice.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:35
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Going on a bit of a tangent here (sorry StreetMagic), but for those of you who read The Stolen Throne, do you see similarities between Cass and Queen Rowan? Physical appearance (dark hair) aside, both place duty over desire. Hopefully Cass has a better ending to her story.
Yes. Except Cassandra is cooler with her Seeker powers and being "touched by Faith" and all that. But Rowan is a more authentic character. Maybe it's because it was a book and I could read what was going on in her head. Doesn't help that my Inquisitor's personality is based on Moses with a bit of Maric.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:37
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based Moses with a bit of Maric.
That's awesome dude. /approve
Moses was questionably deluded as well. It's up in the air, just like the Quizzy.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:38
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Yes. Except Cassandra is cooler with her Seeker powers and being "touched by Faith" and all that. But Rowan is a more authentic character. Maybe it's because it was a book and I could read what was going on in her head. Doesn't help that my Inquisitor's personality is based Moses with a bit of Maric.
so a womanizer with a penchant for plague causing?
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:39
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We need emotional/personal context. Not necessarily tragedy. Stop hanging on my every example and follow the principle behind them.
What works well for mage is that it's an origin with ingrained emotions and personal investment. You don't need to try hard to find them. It writes itself.
If you don't put emotion behind, that's because of your own emotional issues with the Inquisitor, not the actual dialogue. I felt enough sentiment for my tastes, and it has pretty of context from what I've seen. Not that it matters, if you don't connect with the Inquisitor whatever. Personally I'm tired of the only emotion that matters being someone dying. And don't insult mages. Your feelings about magic itself aside, the character hardly writes itself in a sedate Circle with almost none of the restrictions we're used to. We have to think about it just as much as that two-handed warrior you're so fond of.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:42
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If you don't put emotion behind, that's because of your own emotional issues with the Inquisitor, not the actual dialogue. I felt enough sentiment for my tastes, and it has pretty of context from what I've seen. Not that it matters, if you don't connect with the Inquisitor whatever. Personally I'm tired of the only emotion that matters being someone dying. And don't insult mages. Your feelings about magic itself aside, the character hardly writes itself in a sedate Circle with almost none of the restrictions we're used to. We have to think about it just as much as that two-handed warrior you're so fond of.
I didn't say I didn't connect. Read goddamnit. Read. 
I said the implications don't flow as easily. I can invent backstory. I described it earlier. I just think it comes off more unacknowledged and stilted in game.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:43
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That's awesome dude. /approve
Moses was questionably deluded as well. It's up in the air, just like the Quizzy.
The flight from Haven to Skyhold - the Exodus.
Solas lighting that Veilfire torch and instructing the Inquisitor on how to take them to Skyhold - the Burning Bush.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:47
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I didn't say I didn't connect. Read goddamnit. Read.
I said the implications don't flow as easily. I can invent backstory. I described it earlier. I just think it comes off more unacknowledged and stilted in game.
Sounds the same to me. I try to speak in generals, but I'll be more clear. If it doesn't flow as easily, I can only see that as you connecting as well with the character. Because the Trevelyan, or any Inquisitor, while having a little wiggle-room, is as set and emotional a character as Hawke was, or the Warden, so I don't see the problem.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:48
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Not really. I see parallels with Evangeline. Both strong brunette Chantry warriors, having a lot of doubts and confusion, still hanging on faith, defining it in new ways.
Which is one of the ONLY reasons I don't want to play a mage. I don't want to rehash Evangline/Rhys. It's a good story, but it doesn't need to be told twice.
Pity we never actually met Rhys and Evangeline in the game. I imagine Cassandra and Evangeline will get along famously, while my mage Trevelyan will be enthusiastically chatting up with Rhys regarding "seduction tactics" for DEM chantry gals
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:48
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Sounds the same to me. I try to speak in generals, but I'll be more clear. If it doesn't flow as easily, I can only see that as you connecting as well with the character. Because the Trevelyan, or any Inquisitor, while having a little wiggle-room, is as set and emotional a character as Hawke was, or the Warden, so I don't see the problem.
No it's not the same. It's more of a matter of a delay time, in how much I can brainstorm what a dialogue selection means. It doesn't mean I feel disconnected completely. Just more slowly.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:52
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Great artwork, but I'm assuming that's her as Divine?
Because.... to hell with that.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:52
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No it's not the same. It's more of a matter of a delay time, in how much I can brainstorm what a dialogue selection means. It doesn't mean I feel disconnected completely. Just more slowly.
So like the Inquisitor is boring and hard for you to make uniquish? Isn't that kind of the point? "I'm just a normal person."
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:53
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Great artwork, but I'm assuming that's her as Divine?
Because.... to hell with that.
No, just her in a dress lol
This would probably be her as Divine
