So like the Inquisitor is boring and hard for you to make uniquish? Isn't that kind of the point? "I'm just a normal person."
Are you just an obtuse contrarian for fun?
Serious question.
Because I like you... but not right now. It's tiresome.
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#19751
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:55
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#19752
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 03:57
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Are you just an obtuse contrarian for fun?
Serious question.
Because I like you... but not right now. It's tiresome.
#19753
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 04:59
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Are you just an obtuse contrarian for fun?
Sometimes, most times, but it was a serious question. I honestly don't get what the problem is. Emotion, connection, a past that's not even worth mentioning, some random tragedy, it's all there. I'm not quite sure what you think any DA character before had the Inquisitor didn't.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 06:57
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agreed.
It should have involved the exalted plains and maybe the Emerald Graves and Emprise Du Lion as well. It should have been the ending to a questline dealing with the civil war IMO
Considering that the game has little in the way of enemy scaling, I would rather they didn't. Nothing says "immersion breaking" and "incredibly stupid" like gating the next part of a side quest plot behind a zone that is 3 or 4 levels higher than the one you were just in.
"Thanks for helping us with the Freemen, but you can't help us anymore until you go grind out kills and fetch quests so you hit level 20."
#19755
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:38
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The flight from Haven to Skyhold - the Exodus.
Solas lighting that Veilfire torch and instructing the Inquisitor on how to take them to Skyhold - the Burning Bush.
Lol, thats how I felt as well.
Lets also not forget the part where everyone starts singing.
#19756
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:56
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 01:11
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Sometimes, most times, but it was a serious question. I honestly don't get what the problem is. Emotion, connection, a past that's not even worth mentioning, some random tragedy, it's all there. I'm not quite sure what you think any DA character before had the Inquisitor didn't.
If you say you're serious, I'll believe you. I can't tell when you are.
Hawke hit on plenty of these beats. There are explicit events that you can uitilize.. like colors on a pallette. You actually experienced the connections and tragedies firsthand that would give your character motivation to behave in certain ways later. I didn't always make random choices based on my own standpoint there. I could look into Hawke's past and develop a rationale for choices that way. I could easily find motivations for behavior within the game itself. One small example: I created a rivalry with Merrill on one character, simply because she lost her sister Bethany. And from that point on, she was trying to turn Merrill (another little sister character) into a new Bethany. But it creates rivalry, because Merrill isn't Bethany and wouldn't have that. I didn't do this because I disliked Merrill, as a player. I did it from the character's perspective.
DAO not as much, but the origins were still significantly more developed than here. The Dalish origin sticks out to me when it comes to a rivalry with Alistair. I hated Duncan on my Dalish, and from that point on, it gave me motivation to conflict with Alistair too. I also wouldn't recruit Sten on a human noble. He just saw his whole family slaughtered.. so why the **** would he recruit some caged giant who killed someone else's family? Some people do it on a Human noble, but I can't find the motivation. I can on other characters.
I like DAI, but I think it kind of just throws you into a world like one of the TES games.
#19758
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 05:34
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If you say so. Personally I found Hawke too be to dumb for my liking, while I accept the majority of things are outside of his/her control, a lot of them weren't, and that seriously detracted the character for me. And while I like that the Warden had so much variation, the fact that it was ignored most of the time jarred me. Had a DN who killed literally everything possible up until the prologue, and everyone still thought I was some kindhearted fool that let politics go well over my head. Such variation didn't matter when the game didn't even care to acknowledge it.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 06:31
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If you say so. Personally I found Hawke too be to dumb for my liking, while I accept the majority of things are outside of his/her control, a lot of them weren't, and that seriously detracted the character for me. And while I like that the Warden had so much variation, the fact that it was ignored most of the time jarred me. Had a DN who killed literally everything possible up until the prologue, and everyone still thought I was some kindhearted fool that let politics go well over my head. Such variation didn't matter when the game didn't even care to acknowledge it.
Hawke wasn't dumb. Hawke was lazy and selfish. How do you ignore all those catastrophic problems until they're on your doorstep knowing you're the best and sometimes only guy for the job?
Hawke's like a world class MMA fighter watching an old lady get mugged and then shrugging as he walks off. He only does anything when the gun or knife or whatever is pointed at him or his family.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 06:55
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Hawke wasn't dumb. Hawke was lazy and selfish. How do you ignore all those catastrophic problems until they're on your doorstep knowing you're the best and sometimes only guy for the job?
Hawke's like a world class MMA fighter watching an old lady get mugged and then shrugging as he walks off. He only does anything when the gun or knife or whatever is pointed at him or his family.
Except Anders. I always mean Anders.
#19761
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:23
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Hawke wasn't dumb. Hawke was lazy and selfish. How do you ignore all those catastrophic problems until they're on your doorstep knowing you're the best and sometimes only guy for the job?
Hawke's like a world class MMA fighter watching an old lady get mugged and then shrugging as he walks off. He only does anything when the gun or knife or whatever is pointed at him or his family.
It was a nice change of pace, though. Like most average joes, Hawke didn't want to have to GAF.
What he really needed was an Uncle Been to come in and tell him that with great power comes great responsibility.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:34
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If you say so. Personally I found Hawke too be to dumb for my liking, while I accept the majority of things are outside of his/her control, a lot of them weren't, and that seriously detracted the character for me. And while I like that the Warden had so much variation, the fact that it was ignored most of the time jarred me. Had a DN who killed literally everything possible up until the prologue, and everyone still thought I was some kindhearted fool that let politics go well over my head. Such variation didn't matter when the game didn't even care to acknowledge it.
Fair enough. At least we're past the confusion between us. This is just simply about likes/dislikes in the end. I'm cool with that. 
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:37
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It was a nice change of pace, though. Like most average joes, Hawke didn't want to have to GAF.
What he really needed was an Uncle Been to come in and tell him that with great power comes great responsibility.
He had Uncle Gamlen... LOL
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:41
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I always say my Hawke is a thug. And just an immigrant, looking for an angle to survive. It's a bit like Nico from GTA or Tony Montana. Except with magic! It's not about heroism necessarily, so it doesn't disappoint me too much when it fails on that level.
edit: Well, in most cases. My ladyhawke mage was a real do-gooder.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:52
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Hawke wasn't dumb. Hawke was lazy and selfish. How do you ignore all those catastrophic problems until they're on your doorstep knowing you're the best and sometimes only guy for the job?
Hawke's like a world class MMA fighter watching an old lady get mugged and then shrugging as he walks off. He only does anything when the gun or knife or whatever is pointed at him or his family.
Because you have the inept Viscount, inept Guard (even with Aveline running the show), the inept Templars all in positions of power, while Hawke is simply a merc, turned noble, turned city mascot with no real power to actually change the city, just try to help out when and if they can?
Seriously, I'm a little tired that we're now three years post-DA2 and you still hear people complaining when Hawke doesn't do anything because of red-tape or having no way they could do anything, before complaining about all the things that goes wrong when Hawke actually does get involved in a situation, most of which weren't even their fault?
No matter how much effort they put into helping or trying to make their city a better place, it never stops being a complete sh*thole to live in, populated by a ton of crazy people causing problems they have to clean up... kinda like Batman?
Seriously though, can we just agree that Hawke can't freaking win and go back on-topic?
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Seriously though, can we just agree that Hawke can't freaking win and go back on-topic?
OK.
I've rerolled. And funnily, I kept the "Maxwell" default name (last name was Owyn). I used to hate it...but have come around. I can imagine Cass hooking up with as guy named Maxwell. lol
Maybe that's not actually on topic. I don't know.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 07:59
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I've rerolled. And funnily, I kept the "Maxwell" default name (last name was Owyn). I used to hate it...but have come around. I can imagine Cass hooking up with as guy named Maxwell. lol
Yeah, Maxwell used to sound weird to me as well, but it grew on me over the course of Inquisition. And since you're supposed to be a noble, it makes sense that you have a ridiculously posh-sounding first name?
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:00
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Because you have the inept Viscount, inept Guard (even with Aveline running the show), the inept Templars all in positions of power, while Hawke is simply a merc, turned noble, turned city mascot with no real power to actually change the city, just try to help out when and if they can?
Seriously, I'm a little tired that we're now three years post-DA2 and you still hear people complaining when Hawke doesn't do anything because of red-tape or having no way they could do anything, before complaining about all the things that goes wrong when Hawke actually does get involved in a situation, most of which weren't even their fault?
No matter how much effort they put into helping or trying to make their city a better place, it never stops being a complete sh*thole to live in, populated by a ton of crazy people causing problems they have to clean up... kinda like Batman?
Seriously though, can we just agree that Hawke can't freaking win and go back on-topic?
Hawke is to Batman what a sea snail is to a leviathan.
#19769
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:04
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ScrewAttack should do a Death Battle version of the HoF, Hawke and the Inquisitor.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:09
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ScrewAttack should do a Death Battle version of the HoF, Hawke and the Inquisitor.
Hero of Ferelden would win. He'd cut the Inquisitor's hand off and use the Anchor to send both Hawke and the Inquisitor to the Fade. Then he'd go have sex with Morrigan and laugh about it afterwards.
#19771
Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:11
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Hawke is to Batman what a sea snail is to a leviathan.
In all the years he's fought crime, Batman's never made Gotham a nicer place to live, he just makes it objectively less worse and often, only for about five minutes until the next disaster strikes. In the end, he could be considered just as much of a "failure" of a hero as Hawke's often derided as, since both are unable to magically fix Gotham or Kirkwall's problems because they are simply too large to be solved by any one person.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:15
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In all the years he's fought crime, Batman's never made Gotham a nicer place to live, he just makes it objectively less worse and often, only for about five minutes until the next disaster strikes. In the end, he could be considered just as much of a "failure" of a hero as Hawke's often derided as, since both are unable to magically fix Gotham or Kirkwall's problems because they are simply too large to be solved by any one person.
Hawke also lost his parents eventually 
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:16
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In all the years he's fought crime, Batman's never made Gotham a nicer place to live, he just makes it objectively less worse and often, only for about five minutes until the next disaster strikes. In the end, he could be considered just as much of a "failure" of a hero as Hawke's often derided as, since both are unable to magically fix Gotham or Kirkwall's problems because they are simply too large to be solved by any one person.
No. Batman is actually proactive. Usually he's the one that gets the jump on the bad guy.
Hawke waits for the bad guy to blow up a city before getting involved.
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:20
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No. Batman is actually proactive. Usually he gets the jump on the bad guy.
Hawke waits for the bad guy to blow up a city.
Except for the most part, Hawke usually tends to kill the bad guys, whereas Batman puts the Joker into a revolving door prison...
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Posté 12 décembre 2014 - 08:29
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Except for the most part, Hawke usually tends to kill the bad guys, whereas Batman puts the Joker into a revolving door prison...
Because he can't kill. If he does then he becomes what he's vowed to fight. And he's aware that because of his psyche that would mean there's no turning back for him. It's isn't selfishness so much as not wanting to become a psychopath/sociopath.
