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So many Divine Leliana haters. How would you people react if Divine Leliana's reforms wound up not backfiring but actually working? She is the ideal divine for me and will be in all my playthroughs. The fact that Cass stays is a bonus.
Free mages. It will never work.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Free mages. It will never work.
Well... this game is all about Faith.
The things people bring themselves to believe.. it's amazing. As well as the things Bioware expects us to believe.
Perhaps I should give it a try 
Free mages. It will never work.
That remains to be seen. Thus far we've seen the consequences of locking them up, and it wasn't pretty.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
That remains to be seen. Thus far we've seen the consequences of locking them up, and it wasn't pretty.
I think it worked pretty well. A thousand years is a damn good track record.
But apparently it's broken by design and an utter disaster.. and I should feel bad. Which is hard to believe in itself.. that it really is that bad.
But I'll play along for now.
I think it worked pretty well. A thousand years is a damn good track record.
But apparently it's broken by design and an utter disaster.. and I should feel bad. Which is hard to believe in itself.. that it really is that bad.
But I'll play along for now.
Are you referring to the circles, or free mages?
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Are you referring to the circles, or free mages?
Both!
Both are hard to believe. That the Circles are a disaster. Or that Free Mages can work.
The fact that Bioware thinks Free mages can work though is good enough for me. It's not my setting..
That remains to be seen. Thus far we've seen the consequences of locking them up, and it wasn't pretty.
I forsee another Tevinter happening.
I forsee another Tevinter happening.
Excellent.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Mages need to rule for another Tevinter to happen.
Which I don't necessarily equate with freedom.
edit: You also need the consent and submission of normal people. Tevinter magisters built a mystique about themselves over a long period.. before Tevinter even. With their lore on Dreamers and such.
Both!
Both are hard to believe. That the Circles are a disaster. Or that Free Mages can work.
The fact that Bioware thinks Free mages can work though is good enough for me. It's not my setting..
Well we don't know if free mages can work either. We don't know one way or another. I'm sure we'll get reference to the happenings of southern thedas in the next game though, so we'll see if things are going fine. Although the epilogue seems to look very far into the future, which would mean that it does in fact work.
I forsee another Tevinter happening.
It's a possibility, but not certainty. If the epilogues are to be believed though, they seem to be doing quite well. We'll know for sure by the next game though.
Mages need to rule for another Tevinter to happen.
Which I don't necessarily equate with freedom.
edit: You also need the consent and submission of normal people.
A mage Divine and Inquisitor can certainly lead to that possibility in the future.
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So many Divine Leliana haters. How would you people react if Divine Leliana's reforms wound up not backfiring but actually working? She is the ideal divine for me and will be in all my playthroughs. The fact that Cass stays is a bonus.
The problem with Leliana as Divine is this...
Her reforms are too radical to take root. Eirene was kind enough to post a wall 'o text (which are always informative and witty reads) about how radical reforms do more harm to their patron cause than good.
I want mages to be autonomous. I want mages to have as much freedom as they can possibly have in a place like Thedas. Leliana's ending provides that in the short term, but will inevitably backfire in the long term. Especially since this is Thedas we're talking about. If relative freedom for mages means sacrificing the relationship with Cassandra then so be it.
"We must look beyond ourselves..."
Leliana's ending provides that in the short term, but will inevitably backfire in the long term.
Again, this remains to be seen. No one knows the answer to this except Bioware, and we still don't know the exact timeline that the epilogues were referring to.
Mages need to rule for another Tevinter to happen.
Which I don't necessarily equate with freedom.
edit: You also need the consent and submission of normal people. Tevinter magisters built a mystique about themselves over a long period.. before Tevinter even. With their lore on Dreamers and such.
It will only take a few years before certain mages realize they can easily grab power with their magic.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
"We must look beyond ourselves..."
"Until the breach is closed."
Guest_StreetMagic_*
It will only take a few years before certain mages realize they can easily grab power with their magic.
That's still different. Tevinter had a culture ingrained with revering mages.. it's deep in their psyche already. No mage can just will that to happen.. no matter how powerful. Not even Corypheus... kind of why he failed. He's out of place.
It will only take a few years before certain mages realize they can easily grab power with their magic.
Double Excellent.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Mages need to rule for another Tevinter to happen.
Which I don't necessarily equate with freedom.
edit: You also need the consent and submission of normal people. Tevinter magisters built a mystique about themselves over a long period.. before Tevinter even. With their lore on Dreamers and such.
The Magisterium is run by mages, not because of some coup or blood magic. It's because the nobility in Tevinter were always mages or had magical bloodlines. The same could be said for most of southern Thedas (whose nobility descend from Tevinter). Difference being in Tevinter it was more concentrated. So when 75% of your noble heirs are mages you get a nation like Tevinter.
In the south mages have had a 1,000 years of conditioning. This along with the fact that mages can't hold political power (with few exceptions) makes me confident that the south will never become another Tevinter.
The Magisterium is run by mages, not because of some coup or blood magic. It's because the nobility in Tevinter were always mages or had magical bloodlines. The same could be said for most of southern Thedas (whose nobility descend from Tevinter). Difference being in Tevinter it was more concentrated. So when 75% of your noble heirs are mages you get a nation like Tevinter.
In the south mages have had a 1,000 years of conditioning. This along with the fact that mages can't hold political power (with few exceptions) makes me confident that the south will never become another Tevinter.
A great crime.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
The Magisterium is run by mages, not because of some coup or blood magic. It's because the nobility in Tevinter were always mages or had magical bloodlines. The same could be said for most of southern Thedas (whose nobility descend from Tevinter). Difference being in Tevinter it was more concentrated. So when 75% of your noble heirs are mages you get a nation like Tevinter.
In the south mages have had a 1,000 years of conditioning. This along with the fact that mages can't hold political power (with few exceptions) makes me confident that the south will never become another Tevinter.
Yeah, but I'm talking even proto-Tevinter. With some of the lore in DAI on their Dreamers and such. It's like they always had mage tribal type of leaders. Tevinter was a natural progression to that.
Here, there's nothing like it.
The Magisterium is run by mages, not because of some coup or blood magic. It's because the nobility in Tevinter were always mages or had magical bloodlines. The same could be said for most of southern Thedas (whose nobility descend from Tevinter). Difference being in Tevinter it was more concentrated. So when 75% of your noble heirs are mages you get a nation like Tevinter.
In the south mages have had a 1,000 years of conditioning. This along with the fact that mages can't hold political power (with few exceptions) makes me confident that the south will never become another Tevinter.
I suppose that's true.
But you'll have to forgive me for beign so cynical 
Here, there's nothing like it.
Heresy.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I think you need a precedent in culture for something like that to happen. That's basically my point.
For example, communism probably never had a chance here in the US. Russia was pretty ripe for it though. They went from serfdom to that. It's almost like a natural progression.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I don't see what heresy has to do with anything. It just isn't the playing field for mage rule. There's nothing to work with on that level. People won't have it. They don't revere magic that way. It's a playing field for mage tolerance at best. Perhaps you could build on that towards mage rule one day, but we're talking hundreds of years now. I can't be bothered to care to that extent.
It was just a joke lol. Or at least on my part.
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