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Really, to me, the way the Chantry was fine.. and the way Vivienne thinks.

 

The only other solution I could see is making everyone mages and removing the veil or something. Just one big magical fun land.  :rolleyes: Otherwise, there's little to do about the problem of magic, except keep it in check. Just as long as you don't abuse people... or worse, act like Qunari.. then it can work. And has worked. 

 

It only didn't work for a Justice spirit, who didn't know crap about this world.


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It seems to me that the Inquisition will be integrated into the Chantry by decree of Divine Victoria and will replace the Seekers and/or Templar Order as its military component.

 

Though, this outcome makes more sense if one conscripted the Templars or helped the Mages.

 

Conscripted mages works fine if Cassandra becomes Victoria I. The Circle is recreated and mages take a liking to the role they were given in the Inquisition. They become neutral peacekeepers and rename themselves the Bright Hand (the Jedi Order) presumably after the Inquisitor which would be more fitting if a mage. On the flipside the maleficar and malcontents band into their own underground order (the Sith). These two factions wage a shadow war over how magic should be used.

 

I like this... Circle mages are still under Chantry supervision, but have enough autonomy to actually do good - instead of being whiny sheltered babies.


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I feel Cass is the best choice for a Divine, since her ideas are realistic. Ofc, since I often romance her, I try to put someone else on the Sunburst Throne.

 

Leliana has good ideas about reforming the Chantry, but seems to have a blind faith in mages and their ability to "play nice" once they're free of Chantry control.

 

Vivienne wants to restore the old Circle system, but also recognizes that it fell due to abuse of trust and power, rather than some inherent fault. She restores the Circles but gives mages more freedom and responsibilities within them, while also leashing the Templars more tightly under Chantry control.



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Conscripted mages works fine if Cassandra becomes Victoria I. The Circle is recreated and mages take a liking to the role they were given in the Inquisition. They become neutral peacekeepers and rename themselves the Bright Hand (the Jedi Order) presumably after the Inquisitor which would be more fitting if a mage. On the flipside the maleficar and malcontents band into their own underground order (the Sith). These two factions wage a shadow war over how magic should be used.

 

I like this... Circle mages are still under Chantry supervision, but have enough autonomy to actually do good - instead of being whiny sheltered babies.

 

Wait.. you're serious? That's interesting.

 

I don't know why, but the name change depresses me... it's so insignificant.. but not symbolically. Symbolically, it's the end of Cass.



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Really, to me, the way the Chantry was fine.. and the way Vivienne thinks.

 

The only other solution I could see is making everyone mages and removing the veil or something. Just one big magical fun land.  :rolleyes: Otherwise, there's little to do about the problem of magic, except keep it in check. Just as long as you don't abuse people... or worse, act like Qunari.. then it can work. And has worked. 

 

It only didn't work for a Justice spirit, who didn't know crap about this world.

 

It was probably working better than most realise too. We saw things fall about in Fereldan and Kirkwall was all sorts of wrong, but some circles like Montsimmard would of been pretty decent. All mages weren't locked up and kept prisoners, if you play a mundance and talk to Viv she reveals this, that mages could live outside the circle or in a nobles service, it all came down to permission from the first enchanter.

So if your peers thought you responsible enough, trained enough and mature enough you could live outside doing your thing and just turn up for work each morning. Not so horrible really, sure the Templars needed some redirection and restraint, but they were needed in some form, as much as we may want to give mages universal freedom, they are given a gift that is as dangerous to themselves as those around them. Just tweaks and we have a fairly workable solution for everyone.



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I don't know why, but the name change depresses me... it's so insignificant.. but not symbolically. Symbolically, it's the end of Cass.

 

Just let it go. If it's meant to be she'll come back.



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Just let it go. If it's meant to be she'll come back.

 

Haha..a nice thought, but there's no destiny in these games. 

 

There is only DG... I feel more at the mercy of a person than any kind of fate.



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Conscripted mages works fine if Cassandra becomes Victoria I. The Circle is recreated and mages take a liking to the role they were given in the Inquisition. They become neutral peacekeepers and rename themselves the Bright Hand (the Jedi Order) presumably after the Inquisitor which would be more fitting if a mage. On the flipside the maleficar and malcontents band into their own underground order (the Sith). These two factions wage a shadow war over how magic should be used.

I like this... Circle mages are still under Chantry supervision, but have enough autonomy to actually do good - instead of being whiny sheltered babies.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Just like when done friends of mine where able to convince people on the forum Dromund Kaas was Minrathous.

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o.o oh conscription of the mages resulted in a hilarious reaction from her.

Honestly I wish we could smack her around a bit.

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Yes it does, and I've never agreed with you more with anything compared to this statement.



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Haha..a nice thought, but there's no destiny in these games. 
 
There is only DG... I feel more at the mercy of a person than any kind of fate.


I might have hope if you were relying on fate.

There is no hope if you were relying on Gaider.

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Wait.. you're serious? That's interesting.
 
I don't know why, but the name change depresses me... it's so insignificant.. but not symbolically. Symbolically, it's the end of Cass.


I've thought about this for awhile. Realistically, how much was Cassandra actually a Seeker at this point in her life? She was purely a Seeker for what, a few years?

Then she became the right hand of the Divine. I mean, she was still a Seeker to an extent, in so far as she had the powers, and I'm sure she communicated with the Seeker hierarchy and helped them in any way she could. But being the right hand probably meant she wasn't involved in the day-to-day business of the Seekers.

I don't think it was a coincidence she was the only Seeker to reject the split with the chantry. Sure, she's a very moral person, and that probably played a part. But you're not telling me every Seeker was amoral or immoral. It's just, at that point in her life, after almost 20 years of serving the chantry and the divine directly, she was more of a chantry representative with Seeker powers than a Seeker. Her viewpoint was no longer aligned with the Seekers but with Justinia/the Chantry.

I think the destruction of the Seekers will probably shake her, a bit, but more in the way that it will force her to confront something that's already happened, rather than as a drastic sea change in her mission and outlook.

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I might have hope if you were relying on fate.

There is no hope if you were relying on Gaider.

 

lol... That's pretty sad actually.

 

 

As for her Seeker career. I guess it's not all that clear. It doesn't like she is that removed from them though. Still considers herself one.. Doesn't even address Varric as the right hand in DA2.

 

Although I think what she does isn't Chantry specific either. Being with Justinia just puts her in a reformist mindset (not that she agrees entirely with her.. just saying that Justinia's atmosphere is one of reform. I think Leliana is the bigger Justinia follower). I think there's some banter where Vivienne talks of the extent orf Justinia's ideas, that Cass doesn't support.



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I feel Cass is the best choice for a Divine, since her ideas are realistic. Ofc, since I often romance her, I try to put someone else on the Sunburst Throne.

 

Leliana has good ideas about reforming the Chantry, but seems to have a blind faith in mages and their ability to "play nice" once they're free of Chantry control.

 

Vivienne wants to restore the old Circle system, but also recognizes that it fell due to abuse of trust and power, rather than some inherent fault. She restores the Circles but gives mages more freedom and responsibilities within them, while also leashing the Templars more tightly under Chantry control.

 

I feel the same regarding Cass as Divine.

 

Except I'm willing to accept the break up. We all gotta make sacrifices and its not like she'll stop loving the inquisitor.

 

Its just that they can't have sex anymore.



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Its just that they can't have sex anymore.

Ah well, when you put it that way:

 

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LOL.


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I feel the same regarding Cass as Divine.

 

Except I'm willing to accept the break up. We all gotta make sacrifices and its not like she'll stop loving the inquisitor.

 

Its just that they can't have sex anymore.

Then whats the point. :P  

 

I do wonder if the option exisists to support none of them. lol.  I do not trust Viv and Leilianna in the position, and Cass...well I think she has great ideas but I wonder about someone who is more military being on the throne and I think of her as my Inqusitor's lover.  



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Lol jokes aside, I accepted Morrigan's breakup. Cassandra's is harder though, because Morrigan at least had happiness. Cassandra I don't think would be happy at all as Divine, and I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice her happiness for the sake of the ****** Chantry anymore. They don't deserve her. They deserve Vivienne.


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Lol jokes aside, I accepted Morrigan's breakup. Cassandra's is harder though, because Morrigan at least had happiness. Cassandra I don't think would be happy at all as Divine, and I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice her happiness for the sake of the ****** Chantry anymore. They don't deserve her. They deserve Vivienne.

I like the cut of your jib sir.  



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Lol jokes aside, I accepted Morrigan's breakup. Cassandra's is harder though, because Morrigan at least had happiness. Cassandra I don't think would be happy at all as Divine, and I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice her happiness for the sake of the ****** Chantry anymore. They don't deserve her. They deserve Vivienne.

 

Morrigan is a terrible person. That's why it's easy.



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Morrigan is a terrible person. That's why it's easy.

Ha, she was a bitchy witch, yes. But she was my bitchy witch.


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Then whats the point. :P

 

I do wonder if the option exisists to support none of them. lol.  I do not trust Viv and Leilianna in the position, and Cass...well I think she has great ideas but I wonder about someone who is more military being on the throne and I think of her as my Inqusitor's lover.  

 

See, I trust Vivienne. A lot, in fact.

 

What I don't trust is if it sets a bad precedent. What will happen if the next mage wants to be Divine?

 

The funny thing is, as a mage Inquisitor, I shouldn't think this way. People put faith in you. Why not give some back?



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I like the cut of your jib sir.  

Same to you my good man ;) lol



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Its just that they can't have sex anymore.

Well that's a deal breaker.



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Well... yeah, it sucks.