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[Colonelkillabee]

Not really. Unhardened Leliana is the most likely to get assassinated. Which is tragic cause the player made her unhardened.

That's the point of what I said. It cannot last.

[Lulupab]

All three of them have negative endings if hardened. Cassandra's is the one with no bloodshed in either of hers, I believe, and if she does shed blood, it's much less than the other two, and Leliana's is the only one of the three that has her "ideal" ending consist of something so blindingly idealistic that you'd expect someone to say "And they lived happily ever after" with Lels riding an MLP into the sunset.

 

All of them can have negative ending in the end, Cassandra really doesn't accomplish a lot to be opposed for it. I can't see why people can't see its a mere matter of opinion. In my opinion if anything people should be completely opposed to the idea of going back to the old system which is why Vivienne gets 3 major rebellions in succession.

[Colonelkillabee]

All of them can have negative ending in the end, Cassandra really doesn't accomplish a lot to be opposed for it. I can't see why people can't see its a mere matter of opinion. In my opinion if anything people should be completely opposed to the idea of going back to the old system which is why Vivienne gets 3 major rebellions in succession.

Just like the civil war in Skyrim, it's a matter of opinion, yes, but some are better formed than others. It's true that we're not given any real detail on what she does, but one thing we know for sure is peace is restored, and she does so with no loss of life, which in the end is my jam and all I really wanted anyway.

 

Leliana's however, couldn't possibly last in this world realistically. It just takes one dumb ass mage to kill some political figure and ruin everything for everyone. And Leliana exerting her power the way she does without genuinely convincing people of her way is just setting herself up for disaster. We'll see how long her charm works when people are calling for blood in revenge. The old ways will come back one way or another.

 

Until the veil is fully unraveled, mages and non mages will always be at odds.

[Lulupab]

Just like the civil war in Skyrim, it's a matter of opinion, yes, but some are better formed than others. It's true that we're not given any real detail on what she does, but one thing we know for sure is peace is restored, and she does so with no loss of life, which in the end is my jam and all I really wanted anyway.

 

Leliana's however, couldn't possibly last in this world realistically. It just takes one dumb ass mage to kill some political figure and ruin everything for everyone. And Leliana exerting her power the way she does without genuinely convincing people of her way is just setting herself up for disaster. We'll see how long her charm works when people are calling for blood in revenge. The old ways will come back one way or another.

 

Until the veil is fully unraveled, mages and non mages will always be at odds.

 

Unhardened Leliana does seem odd, I wonder what was the motivation behind this epilogue. Hardened Leliana is quite believable, we have real life history figures like her, but unhardened Leliana? not so much.

 

The main problem I see with Cass is what actually happened with old system. Mages were usually rewarded with more freedom after their participation in blights only for this to be taken away later very quickly when something went wrong with mages. Of course Cassandra changes things if you side with mages but if you side with Templars she brings back the old system with "reforms" and I believe these new rights of mages will be taken away after the next incident and age-old problems will start again.

[Colonelkillabee]

What about if you conscripted the mages with unhardened Divine Cass?

[Lulupab]

What about if you conscripted the mages with unhardened Divine Cass?

What is "unhardened cass". Only Leliana has hardened and softened versions. Other have player approval or disapproval.

leliana is already hardened in DA:I so she being hardened is like having approval and softened is disapproval.

Cassandra reforms templar order with restrictions and allows the mages to govern themselves. If you ally with mages you get college of enchanters and if you conscript them you get the bright hand, something between the circle and college but the mages still govern themselves.

[Colonelkillabee]

Cassandra reforms templar order with restrictions and allows the mages to govern themselves. If you ally with mages you get college of enchanters and if you conscript them you get the bright hand, something between the circle and college but the mages still govern themselves.

So Cass basically does what viv does minus the bloodshed or more close to what leliana does, but with less idealism if you are liked by her?

 

You can't really lose with Cass then, as long as you're not an asshat.

[Kinsz]

How do people even manage to make Cass hate them I wonder.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So Cass basically does what viv does minus the bloodshed or more close to what leliana does, but with less idealism if you are liked by her?

 

You can't really lose with Cass then, as long as you're not an asshat.

Well she breaks up with you if she becomes divine...

[Kinsz]

Well she breaks up with you if she becomes divine...

And you know this how ?

[Aramintai]

Not really. Unhardened Leliana is the most likely to get assassinated. Which is tragic cause the player made her unhardened.

I very much doubt that, BioWare would never make any of the choices we make bad. So I doubt that anything bad's gonna happen to the College of Enchanters or Leliana as Divine, it's just gonna be different from what it used to be, and is exactly the point. It is more likely she'll earn more enemies by killing her adversaries instead of negotiating with them. And besides, it's not like she suddenly gonna forget how to fight or gonna disband all of her spies to not forsee an attack coming from a mile away. To me it is hardened Leliana that seems very odd, considering I specifically remember unhardening her in DA:O. Unhardened Leliana in DA:I feels like she just returns to her normal self. And all of these years serving the Divine? I think they've made her more than enough qualified and knowledgable for the Divine office.

Therefore my preferred endings lie with Leliana as Divine and are either the College of Enchanters or disbanded templars joining the Seekers into a better order under Cassandra.

[Lulupab]

So Cass basically does what viv does minus the bloodshed or more close to what leliana does, but with less idealism if you are liked by her?
 
You can't really lose with Cass then, as long as you're not an asshat.

Yeah but she has one problem. Mages fight among themselves. With possibility of existence of circles (unlike Leliana who dissolves them for good) some mages want to be in circles and some don't and thus mages fight among themselves.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hardened Leliana tbh

Man that comparison is insulting!

...to the Mafia.

[Lulupab]

Leliana was Warder's canon romance before he knew what she does later at asunder and DA:I.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well she breaks up with you if she becomes divine...

The romance card doesn't change, so we don't know that.

 

Ye of little faith

[Master Warder Z_]

Leliana was Warder's canon romance before he knew what she does later at asunder and DA:I.

No she wasn't.

o.o

[Lulupab]

The romance card doesn't change, so we don't know that.

 

Ye of little faith

 

Cassandra should have been more ruthless with mages, yes I said that. She invites the mages to join the circle, some decline some accept. Those who decline create their own institution and infighting between mages happen.

[Lulupab]

No she wasn't.

o.o

 

I seem to remember otherwise lol. 

 

Don't tell me you romanced Morrigan because I wouldn't believe it even if you would.

[Master Warder Z_]

I seem to remember otherwise lol.

Don't tell me you romanced Morrigan because I wouldn't believe it even if you would.

Then you're memory is faulty.

And no, I didn't romance the swamp witch.

[Colonelkillabee]

Cassandra should have been more ruthless with mages, yes I said that. She invites the mages to join the circle, some decline some accept. Those who decline create their own institution and infighting between mages happen.

I agree

[thesuperdarkone2]

The romance card doesn't change, so we don't know that.

 

Ye of little faith

It's Gaider, how do you think it's going to end?

[Colonelkillabee]

It's Gaider, how do you think it's going to end?

I don't know, I don't predict the future, or assume someone can't vary their writing style.

 

That's why it's called faith If Morrigan could have a happy honeypie ending, there's always a chance that our relationship will eventually continue in some capacity. Romance card stays if divine.

 

"Deh cyards don't lie!" -Cleo fake psychic lady.

[Liec]

So during Cass' personal quest, when Lucius says that Seekers are abominations, does he mean that literally? Is Cassandra still possessed by a spirit of faith, like Wynne?

[TheChosenOne]

Then you're memory is faulty.

And no, I didn't romance the swamp witch.

 

Hey! You better be not talking about my waifu like that!

 

[Master Warder Z_]

So during Cass' personal quest, when Lucius says that Seekers are abominations, does he mean that literally? Is Cassandra still possessed by a spirit of faith, like Wynne?

No.