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[siphernin]

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but didn't want to necro old forgotten posts.  

 

Lyrium is pretty addictive stuff and the red stuff i'd imagine has 10x the kick.  Plus you lose your mind for it.  Somehow though, it seems to have a different effect on different races, or so that's what it looks like based on DA2.  Granted, I didn't do a whole lot of digging into this, but for humans, just look at Meredith.  For dwarves though, they hear this song.  Even when they found this lyrium idol, there was no remains of dwarves ending up like Meredith that were in that thaig.

 

In DA2, you get the option to give Varrec a piece of that idol found in the haunted house or something... (I always just gave him the idol, never looked at the other option).  Anyway, based on Bartrand, the madness induced by the lyrium can apparently be temporarily relieved by a mage (or a healer specifically).  

 

One of the things I didn't get was Bartrand's attitude just before he got his hands on the idol.  He already seemed enthralled by it just by catching it.  That however could have just been his greed.  *cough*  But long after selling the "sodding" thing off, he could still hear the song.  He still did unspeakable horrors.  And, if you didn't put an arrow through his skull, still seemed off his rocker (even for Bartrand).

 

So I get to the questions of the topic.  Apparently the red lyrium stuff is deep in the Deep Roads which begs the question how the templars in the Red Templars got it.  Especially considering the deep roads are swarming with darkspawn and templars aren't immune to the taint.  Also, could Varrec or by indirect extension, the Champion have something to do with the Red Templars getting that first piece of red lyrium?  If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), the idol sword disintegrated at the end of Meredith's tyrannical lead.  Unless she became a red lyrium statue and that's a whole different kind of creepy.

Red lyrium is obviously going to have a big impact on the story, but how do you see it going?  I can only imagine the power a mage would get if she/he got their hands on it if it gives normal people the power Meredith wielded.  And could that perhaps have something to do with the Veil tearing?  It might seem unlikely, but since we don't know if it was ritual or accident yet, it might be plausible, albeit remotely.  What do you all think?

[Nightdragon8]

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but didn't want to necro old forgotten posts.  

 

Lyrium is pretty addictive stuff and the red stuff i'd imagine has 10x the kick.  Plus you lose your mind for it.  Somehow though, it seems to have a different effect on different races, or so that's what it looks like based on DA2.  Granted, I didn't do a whole lot of digging into this, but for humans, just look at Meredith.  For dwarves though, they hear this song.  Even when they found this lyrium idol, there was no remains of dwarves ending up like Meredith that were in that thaig.

 

In DA2, you get the option to give Varrec a piece of that idol found in the haunted house or something... (I always just gave him the idol, never looked at the other option).  Anyway, based on Bartrand, the madness induced by the lyrium can apparently be temporarily relieved by a mage (or a healer specifically).  

 

One of the things I didn't get was Bartrand's attitude just before he got his hands on the idol.  He already seemed enthralled by it just by catching it.  That however could have just been his greed.  *cough*  But long after selling the "sodding" thing off, he could still hear the song.  He still did unspeakable horrors.  And, if you didn't put an arrow through his skull, still seemed off his rocker (even for Bartrand).

 

So I get to the questions of the topic.  Apparently the red lyrium stuff is deep in the Deep Roads which begs the question how the templars in the Red Templars got it.  Especially considering the deep roads are swarming with darkspawn and templars aren't immune to the taint.  Also, could Varrec or by indirect extension, the Champion have something to do with the Red Templars getting that first piece of red lyrium?  If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), the idol sword disintegrated at the end of Meredith's tyrannical lead.  Unless she became a red lyrium statue and that's a whole different kind of creepy.

Red lyrium is obviously going to have a big impact on the story, but how do you see it going?  I can only imagine the power a mage would get if she/he got their hands on it if it gives normal people the power Meredith wielded.  And could that perhaps have something to do with the Veil tearing?  It might seem unlikely, but since we don't know if it was ritual or accident yet, it might be plausible, albeit remotely.  What do you all think?

 

 

my theory, the wardens brought it up, for a way to make money themselves and i guess "red lyrim" isn't technicly considered lyrium so its not under chantry control.

 

as for giving red lyrium to a mage, i doubt it honestly not sure why i have that opinion, I do know Sandel can make it into a pretty nice enchantment for you.

 

Also Bartrand just straight up backstabbed the group. it wasn't until later he went crazy.

[Roxy]

It's been awhile since I've played DA2 but from what I can remember Meredith said she bought the idol from a merchant and then she had the thing...um become one with her sword lol...sorry it's late where I'm at,anyways I'm not sure about who brought out the red lyrium from the deep roads. But true it does effect races differently in a negative way. To be honest I'm not surprised with how bartrand reacted down there..seems like the thing was speaking or singing to him before he got his greedy hands on it. And with the veil...not sure it would be Meredith's doing...I'm leaning more on anders but I could be wrong there.

[Lorien19]

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but didn't want to necro old forgotten posts.  

 

Lyrium is pretty addictive stuff and the red stuff i'd imagine has 10x the kick.  Plus you lose your mind for it.  Somehow though, it seems to have a different effect on different races, or so that's what it looks like based on DA2.  Granted, I didn't do a whole lot of digging into this, but for humans, just look at Meredith.  For dwarves though, they hear this song.  Even when they found this lyrium idol, there was no remains of dwarves ending up like Meredith that were in that thaig.

 

In DA2, you get the option to give Varrec a piece of that idol found in the haunted house or something... (I always just gave him the idol, never looked at the other option).  Anyway, based on Bartrand, the madness induced by the lyrium can apparently be temporarily relieved by a mage (or a healer specifically).  

 

One of the things I didn't get was Bartrand's attitude just before he got his hands on the idol.  He already seemed enthralled by it just by catching it.  That however could have just been his greed.  *cough*  But long after selling the "sodding" thing off, he could still hear the song.  He still did unspeakable horrors.  And, if you didn't put an arrow through his skull, still seemed off his rocker (even for Bartrand).

 

So I get to the questions of the topic.  Apparently the red lyrium stuff is deep in the Deep Roads which begs the question how the templars in the Red Templars got it.  Especially considering the deep roads are swarming with darkspawn and templars aren't immune to the taint.  Also, could Varrec or by indirect extension, the Champion have something to do with the Red Templars getting that first piece of red lyrium?  If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), the idol sword disintegrated at the end of Meredith's tyrannical lead.  Unless she became a red lyrium statue and that's a whole different kind of creepy.

Red lyrium is obviously going to have a big impact on the story, but how do you see it going?  I can only imagine the power a mage would get if she/he got their hands on it if it gives normal people the power Meredith wielded.  And could that perhaps have something to do with the Veil tearing?  It might seem unlikely, but since we don't know if it was ritual or accident yet, it might be plausible, albeit remotely.  What do you all think?

Interesting theory...I guess that it's either the wardens for the reasons Nightdragon8 suggested or that Tevinter cult the Venatori introduced in the demo.In the discover DA video  they seem to have an considerable amount of red lyrium stored in their keep.Makes you wonder...

[siphernin]

my theory, the wardens brought it up, for a way to make money themselves and i guess "red lyrim" isn't technically considered lyrium so its not under chantry control.

 

as for giving red lyrium to a mage, i doubt it honestly not sure why i have that opinion, I do know Sandel can make it into a pretty nice enchantment for you.

 

 

I suppose that theory could be used to explain why Cassandra and her army charged the Grey Warden keep in the trailer if true.

 

As for the mage part, think about it.  Mages with a pile of Lyrium dust can enter the fade, at least so far as referencing DA:O when you rescued the Arl's son.  Now give them something with 10x the power boost and make them as crazy as a blood mage drunk on power.  Now give it to multiple mages in one area...  Not saying it's the reason for the Veil tearing, but if that were to happen, it could probably weaken the Veil as much as a bunch of death in one area.

[Nyeredzi]

   ok let me begin.

 

Dwarves don't have a natural connection to the Fade, and red lyrium sings to them, and just drives them crazy

 

Non-dwarf, non-mages have a small connection to the Fade, but cannot drawn upon its energy. Red lyrium "talks" to them, and drives them crazy, it also grants them artificial magic.

 

Mages have a greater connection to the Fade, and draw upon its Fade Energies, using magic. With exposure to normal unprocessed blue lyrium, they go insane and die. With exposure to this red lyrium, they should just overload and die immidiately

 

 

Blue Lyrium acts like a spirit. It automatically on its own draws upon fade energy, and is present in the Fade and in Thedas. It gives those who take it into their body, small raw magic energies, but does not posses them/drive them insane unless they take too much of it

 

Red lyrium automatically, as well, draws upon fade energy, but has only been seen on Thedas. It breaks the Veil, gives those who touch it hallucinations, madness, as well as unbelievable amounts of refined magic enegies, capable of animating inanimate objects. If used excesively, it dischrges pure magical energies, and petrifies the victim in red crystals. This presumably is its form of expanding.

[Divine Justinia V]

Red Lyrium sounds like a good time.

[Lorien19]

Red Lyrium sounds like a good time.

Aside from the whole "crazy flying super saiyan" thing or the "red crystals coming through you",It definitely does.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I've wondered if maybe red lyrium isn't something like tainted lyrium? It's in large part the singing. It seems like everything to do with the taint goes back to the singing. Seems like an odd coincidence if this is another "evil" element that just also happens to have a connection to an incredibly addictive song.

[Divine Justinia V]

Aside from the whole "crazy flying super sagan" thing or the "red crystals coming through you",It definitely does.

 

Yeah like I mean the whole deteriorating into ashes sucks and all but I mean it sounds like some kind of drug I may try.

 

I think it'd be cool to find out that the Wardens used it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My personal fanon is that the Reapers are behind the Red Lyrium. Here's the codex on Indoctrination but the term Reaper is replaced with the term Red Lyrium.

 

Red Lyrium is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Red Lyrium's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

 

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

 

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. Re Lyrium's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Red Lyrium itself with superstitious awe. Should Red Lyrium subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

 

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

[siphernin]

This is pretty much a WAY left field thought, but what if the red lyrium are pieces of the Black City? 

 

I know, crazy.  But I keep flashing back to the haunted house.  Stuff moving around as if someone was guiding Hawke and co.  Granted, Meredith didn't talk about any singing.

 

 

I've wondered if maybe red lyrium isn't something like tainted lyrium? It's in large part the singing. It seems like everything to do with the taint goes back to the singing. Seems like an odd coincidence if this is another "evil" element that just also happens to have a connection to an incredibly addictive song.

Think you may have something.

 

 

 With exposure to normal unprocessed blue lyrium, they go insane and die. With exposure to this red lyrium, they should just overload and die immediately

 

The raw red lyrium may not be accurate though.  Hawke was exposed to the idol, and its not like we found any raw red lyrium.  It didn't even affect Varrec until after the haunted house, but didn't affect Hawke (mage or not). 

 

Another crazy idea, sorry.  What if the red lyrium chooses who it effects?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think it could likely be a part of the Black City. We know blue lyrium is all over in the fade. Maybe the Black City once had this, too, but whatever corrupted it made the lyrium there turn into what we now see as red lyrium.  

[Zazzerka]

Aside from the whole "crazy flying super sagan" thing or the "red crystals coming through you",It definitely does.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think they mean when Meredith jumped several stories then landed with enough force to crack the stone tiles but apparently not the bones in her legs.

[Zazzerka]

I think they mean when Meredith jumped several stories then landed with enough force to crack the stone tiles but apparently not the bones in her legs.

 

Yeah, but I think they're looking for the word "Saiyan," not "Sagan." Sagan is the guy I just posted.

[Lorien19]

Yeah, but I think they're looking for the word "Saiyan," not "Sagan." Sagan is the guy I just posted.

Yup...Lack of caffeine can be disastrous...(This or Inaccurate translations in dubbed anime).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, but I think they're looking for the word "Saiyan," not "Sagan." Sagan is the guy I just posted.

You don't think Sagan could do those things?

 

Knowledge is power.

He has knowledge of the universe.

Therefore, he has the power of the universe. 

[Helios969]

Nice catch Hanako on Reaper indoctrination.  Red lyrium is actually a philosopher stone made from the primeval dwarves and Father is pulling strings from the Black City.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nice catch Hanako on Reaper indoctrination.  Red lyrium is actually a philosopher stone made from the primeval dwarves and Father is pulling strings from the Black City.

Thanks. Oh, and don't get me started on making those comparisons. I already have a huge comparison of Reapers to Homunculi on the Mass Effect Forums. (Link is in my signature if interested.)

[Helios969]

I know, I read.  It inspired me to rewatch FMAB.  Caught some of the comparisons but not all.  Too hard to think when I'm engrossed in the story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know, I read.  It inspired me to rewatch FMAB.  Caught some of the comparisons but not all.  Too hard to think when I'm engrossed in the story.

That you have. Silly me. 

 

But yeah, it took me like a month of watching it all weekend and playing the games all week to finally piece it together due to continually being sucked into both stories.

[Helios969]

Too much work.  Glad we have people such as yourself to entertain us lazy people;)

[Vulpe]

 

So I get to the questions of the topic.  Apparently the red lyrium stuff is deep in the Deep Roads which begs the question how the templars in the Red Templars got it.  Especially considering the deep roads are swarming with darkspawn and templars aren't immune to the taint.  Also, could Varrec or by indirect extension, the Champion have something to do with the Red Templars getting that first piece of red lyrium?  If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), the idol sword disintegrated at the end of Meredith's tyrannical lead.  Unless she became a red lyrium statue and that's a whole different kind of creepy.

 

Red lyrium is self replicating. See the Behemoth enemy. Where did the Red Templars got their first red lyrium vein? Answer : Meredith's body.

[Mistic]

Red lyrium automatically, as well, draws upon fade energy, but has only been seen on Thedas. It breaks the Veil, gives those who touch it hallucinations, madness, as well as unbelievable amounts of refined magic enegies, capable of animating inanimate objects. If used excesively, it dischrges pure magical energies, and petrifies the victim in red crystals. This presumably is its form of expanding.

 

Red lyrium is self replicating. See the Behemoth enemy. Where did the Red Templars got their first red lyrium vein? Answer : Meredith's body.

 

I have to say that the prospect of a parasite magic rock is creepy. Now I feel bad for those Red Templars (well, until they start killing innocent civilians).

 

Magic is already a big problem, and now there's a self-replicating red rock that turns normal people, even dwarves, into abomination-esque menaces (good job, Hawke). I just hope red lyrium isn't sentient.