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[siphernin]

Red lyrium is self replicating. See the Behemoth enemy. Where did the Red Templars got their first red lyrium vein? Answer : Meredith's body.

That's a good theory, but the problem with that is Meredith's body.  Looking at her end, she doesn't look anything close to those red lyrium templars examples in your topic.  She looks like a burnt out husk (yes, ME husk).  She's more flesh than rock with some glowing bits.  That could arguably be design limitations at the time.  To add on that, no dwarf bodies or other red lyrium outside of Hawke's/Varrec's piece existed to our knowledge, and Varrec isn't all rocky.

 

Now the self replicating nature of the stone might be dead on.  It might even explain the Rock Wraiths and the Hunger Demon in the deep roads when dwarves never had a connection to the Fade.  It's just as it is now, up to the last novel out, we only really have DA2 to go off of.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I thought the deep roads in that area had red veins all over. I didn't realize the idol was supposed to be the only piece of it, generally. Are the big, red, shiny veins all over the Thaig something else? I had just assumed they must be the red lyrium. Maybe the templars found the Thaig. The Grey Wardens knew where it was, so it's not like the information was lost.

[siphernin]

I thought the deep roads in that area had red veins all over. I didn't realize the idol was supposed to be the only piece of it, generally. Are the big, red, shiny veins all over the Thaig something else? I had just assumed they must be the red lyrium. Maybe the templars found the Thaig. The Grey Wardens knew where it was, so it's not like the information was lost.

That is a good point, Mort.  I thought they might be too, but no one else seemed to be losing it but Bartrand which is why I didn't say anything about it.  It might very well have been red lyrium.  Also, that far down, there weren't any darkspawn (I don't think).  We know Darkspawn and Demons don't much interact, so maybe the abandon thaig location was given to one of the groups.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That is a good point, Mort.  I thought they might be too, but no one else seemed to be losing it but Bartrand which is why I didn't say anything about it.  It might very well have been red lyrium.  Also, that far down, there weren't any darkspawn (I don't think).  We know Darkspawn and Demons don't much interact, so maybe the abandon thaig location was given to one of the groups.

I'm pretty sure I read before that Gaider said it was just a game mechanic issue that being around red lyrium (whether it was the idol or the veins) didn't effect Hawke and the party, like how wading through darkspawn gunk for a year never effected anyone in Origins. I don't know if that means the veins were red lyrium or not, that wasn't specified. 

[Vulpe]

That's a good theory, but the problem with that is Meredith's body.  Looking at her end, she doesn't look anything close to those red lyrium templars examples in your topic.  She looks like a burnt out husk (yes, ME husk).  She's more flesh than rock with some glowing bits.  That could arguably be design limitations at the time.  To add on that, no dwarf bodies or other red lyrium outside of Hawke's/Varrec's piece existed to our knowledge, and Varrec isn't all rocky.

 

Now the self replicating nature of the stone might be dead on.  It might even explain the Rock Wraiths and the Hunger Demon in the deep roads when dwarves never had a connection to the Fade.  It's just as it is now, up to the last novel out, we only really have DA2 to go off of.  

 

Compare her body with the one of the Behemoth. You'll see they are very similar, only that she doesn't have the clear crystal protuberances.

 

In my theory, red lyrium depends on organic material to self replicate. It uses it's victims energy ( and maybe some of the anorganic substances in the human body ) to self replicate. No organics, no replication.Also, the rock wraiths might be the only thing that remains from the dwarves that use red lyrium.

 

Varric isn't all rocky because he didn't taped in the energy of the lyrium shard. Also, his shard was altered by Sandal (who strangely wasn't affected by it ), so the parasitic trigger might have been shut down.

[amggrunt]

I seem to remember reading something in the DA2 codex about the darkspawn actively avoiding the Thiag with Red Lyrium. 

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, but I think they're looking for the word "Saiyan," not "Sagan." Sagan is the guy I just posted.

Cosmos' Sagan? Atomic Robo's buddy Sagan? If red lyrium turned someone into a Super Sagan, all would be forgiven.

[Nyeredzi]

 

My personal fanon is that the Reapers are behind the Red Lyrium. Here's the codex on Indoctrination but the term Reaper is replaced with the term Red Lyrium.

 

Red Lyrium is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Red Lyrium's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

 

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

 

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. Re Lyrium's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Red Lyrium itself with superstitious awe. Should Red Lyrium subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

 

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

 

i think we're kin

[oceanicsurvivor]

The OP brings up another interesting point-you can give the red lyrium shard or whatever it was to Varric. Varric could still be carrying it around with him in Inquisition. That might be a very interesting choice to see a repurcussion from...

[CybAnt1]

Yeah, yeah, blame the red lyrium. 

[siphernin]

The OP brings up another interesting point-you can give the red lyrium shard or whatever it was to Varric. Varric could still be carrying it around with him in Inquisition. That might be a very interesting choice to see a repurcussion from...

Well, if the canon in that he did keep it, he didn't seem so crazy in the comics that follow the events of DA2.

 

Varric isn't all rocky because he didn't taped in the energy of the lyrium shard. Also, his shard was altered by Sandal (who strangely wasn't affected by it ), so the parasitic trigger might have been shut down.

When did Sandal do that?  Hawke gave (if you took the option) the piece immediately after coming out of the haunted house.  Sandal wouldn't have had the chance to do anything to it.  Otherwise, yes.  You make good points.

[BronzTrooper]

Hmm... I wonder if Red Lyrium is blood magic in solid form...

 

I mean, it has the power to corrupt people's minds on it's own (Bartrand and Meredith being the prime examples) and it can cause people to do things they normally wouldn't do (again, Bartrand is a prime example).  And considering siphernin's description, that seems to support it.  Add that to the Black City theory and it works even better, considering how the Tevinter magisters likely had to use blood magic rituals to get to the Golden City and corrupt it in the first place, right?

[Vulpe]

Well, if the canon in that he did keep it, he didn't seem so crazy in the comics that follow the events of DA2.

 

When did Sandal do that?  Hawke gave (if you took the option) the piece immediately after coming out of the haunted house.  Sandal wouldn't have had the chance to do anything to it.  Otherwise, yes.  You make good points.

 

There are 2 way for Varric to keep the shard:

 

1) Altered by Sandal and put the rune in Bianca

 

2) Unaltered => 3 new rune slots ( don't ask me how that works )

 

I thought you reffered to the first. As for the second...don't really know. Maybe they didn't have all things set when it comes to the effects of red lyrium or Varric dispossed of the shard (many things can happen between DA2 and DAI). Don't know.

 

Also DA2 was a little rushed. This might have played a part in not seeing other effects the red lyrium might have had on Varric and his life except for the 3 extra rune slots in Bianca.

[Mistic]

There are 2 way for Varric to keep the shard:

 

1) Altered by Sandal and put the rune in Bianca

 

2) Unaltered => 3 new rune slots ( don't ask me how that works )

 

I thought you reffered to the first. As for the second...don't really know. Maybe they didn't have all things set when it comes to the effects of red lyrium or Varric dispossed of the shard (many things can happen between DA2 and DAI). Don't know.

 

Also DA2 was a little rushed. This might have played a part in not seeing other effects the red lyrium might have had on Varric and his life except for the 3 extra rune slots in Bianca.

 

I was going to ask if people think giving the unaltered shard to Varric might cause problems in Inquisition, but I relize that it would be very easy to explain the lack of harmful effects. Just  say that once he noticed something was amiss, he threw out the shard before it had a more dangerous effect on him.

[Jack Druthers]

JulianWellpit and CybAnt1 got me thinking about how many possible red lyrium items we have come across that could have some sort of power.  Whether all items below are made of red lyrium is not clear. I left links rather than pictures so as not to flood the pages:

 

http://guides.gamepr...ord/6963812.jpg  A picture of of a fade portal during the Connor quest in Origins red veins running though the portal (related? idk)

 

http://i836.photobuc...tis/Idol2x2.jpg  The idol found by Hawk. (I noticed it's got the same sort of headgear as Meredith)

 

http://img2.wikia.no...Lyriumsword.png Meredith's sword 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...9x2CAAAlb-K.jpg  Meredith's statue (has the idol and statue have the same sort of build? idk)

 

http://dragonage.wik...Fen%27Harel.jpg Mask of Fen'Harel from Redemption

 

http://img3.wikia.no.../270px-HotM.jpg Heart of the Many amulet from Mark of the Assassin

 

http://www.thegaming...inquisition.jpg A ring from Dragon age Inquisition

 

http://i1284.photobu...on.png~original the Behemoth with it's Templar chest plate