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[Battlebloodmage]

Is Liara hate only pertain to online folks? There are a lot of Liara hate everywhere I read, but when I look up the stats release by Bioware, Liara is the most popular squadmate. Maybe those who have a strong opinion of her scream that loudest, so it seems like she gets more hate than she supposedly had.

[spirosz]

I take what they release with skepticism, but her fanbase is probably the biggest, that's why her character is bound to have a lot, the bigger you are.  

[DeinonSlayer]

Well, given the number of missions in which she's a forced participant, is this really a surprise?

Those stats are next to useless. What could you really expect when two of the listed squadmates are only available for the last - what is it? 1/2 of the vanilla game? 1/3rd? Something like half of casual players don't even finish their first playthrough.

[Invisible Man]

I personally prefer the: "those who walk in the spotlight cast the darkest shadows."

[Massa FX]

It's Bioware forum hate, I think.

 

I don't like the character, and I'm not shy about saying it on these forums, however, I don't like most Asari in ME.

 

So arrogant and prissy. So.. patronizing and haughty.

 

...and yet they are so sly and clever. So willing to cover how they cheated the galaxy of Prothean knowledge and kept secret things that they condemened others for.

 

Much dislike for the species as a whole in my house.

[DeinonSlayer]

So arrogant and prissy. So.. patronizing and haughty.

...and yet they are so sly and clever. So willing to cover how they cheated the galaxy of Prothean knowledge and kept secret things that they condemened others for.

Doesn't help that we're not allowed to call the Councilor out on it, and endure the forced sadness and self-blame after Thessia.

One of my Shepards (JayneShep) sacrificed the Council and sided with the Quarians (sold Legion in ME2). The replacement Asari councilor is, frankly, a bitch - nose up in the air about deigning to accept help from "the vagrants" (her words). Then we find out they were, for their sole benefit, sitting on Prothean tech crucial to the Crucible project, and had been for centuries, after making it a crime to withhold Prothean tech. Why the hell am I forced to apologize to her?

I guess I'm more critical of the handling of Asari in general than Liara specifically. I can't say I've been particularly mean to her (to the degree that it is allowed, anyway) even with my more renegade Shepards.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I don't agree with Liara hate, she's like in the middle of my character ranking (although I do use her the most often as a squadmate, including ME1), but I understand it. A lot of it has to do with how much she is prominent in the game, so much so that her character can completely change to fit into the roll. Additionally, Shepard has the option to reprimand other characters or express some negativity towards them, with Liara that ship sailed before ME1 ended; and then players have to deal with her a lot in a very personal matter throughout ME3 -- even more so than some of the love interests (poor Jack).

 

I think it all boils down to her being an obvious writer's pet and whenever writers do that in games like Mass Effect it will always get some back lash. The interesting hate I find is Hackett hate, although I guess a lot of that has to deal with the plot stupidity needed to grease the wheels to get the story moving.

[Bob from Accounting]

There are a couple of things to consider.

 

Firstly, I have very little doubt that a good number of people on this forum 'hate' Liara as way to 'punish' and 'rebel' against BioWare since she appears in the spotlight more than most squadmates. This forum is filled with people far more frustrated and upset with BioWare than I imagine the general population of Mass Effect players to be. It's the same reason, I'm sure why there seems to be a way higher percentage of 'Renegade' players on the forum than official stats indicate.

 

BioWare wants to be Paragon? I'll show them by picking Renegage choices!!!

BioWare wants me to like Liara? I'll show them by hating her!!!

 

Immature and childish of course, but there you go.

[ImaginaryMatter]

There are a couple of things to consider.

 

Firstly, I have very little doubt that a good number of people on this forum 'hate' Liara as way to 'punish' and 'rebel' against BioWare since she appears in the spotlight more than most squadmates. This forum is filled with people far more frustrated and upset with BioWare than I imagine the general population of Mass Effect players to be. It's the same reason, I'm sure why there seems to be a way higher percentage of 'Renegade' players on the forum than official stats indicate.

 

BioWare wants to be Paragon? I'll show them by picking Renegage choices!!!

BioWare wants me to like Liara? I'll show them by hating her!!!

 

Immature and childish of course, but there you go.

 

Admittance is the first step to recovery David, glad to see you can admit that.

 

But yes, your idea is more than certainly incorrect.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Oh good. I get on the first page of a long 30 page thread hating Liara. So let me do the pre-emptive picture:

 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Oh good. I get on the first page of a long 30 page thread hating Liara. So let me do the pre-emptive picture:

 

 

Aaahh

 

 

Although we need a new Liara hate thread (however else would we go on as a community?) and the last one seems to be in a state of constantly meandering off topic.

[Bob from Accounting]

Thank you for pointlessly reposting that picture.

 

But yes, it's very true. It's not that hard to figure out.

 

Do you deny that this forum is full of angry, frustrated people who want to punish BioWare?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I play Shepard more as the anti-hero, but not as a complete ass. And all have romanced Liara in ME3.

 

We know the forum is full of angry, frustrated people.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Do you deny that this forum is full of angry, frustrated people who want to punish BioWare?

 

Uh, yes...? and I think everyone else denies it too.

 

"Punish BioWare", I mean honestly, where do you get all these silly notions?

[DeinonSlayer]

Uh, yes...? and I think everyone else denies it too.
 
"Punish BioWare", I mean honestly, where do you get all these silly notions?

Don't use that word!

...that's his word.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Don't use that word!

...that's his word.

 

Oh, doh... *self slap*

 

Thank you for setting me back on the straight path my friend.

[Bob from Accounting]

A significant chunk of people who visit this section of the forum overwhelmingly post nothing but insults, demands, and proclamations of 'bad writing' and incompetence.

 

That is just about all they say. They come here and spend hours upon hours deriding BioWare and Mass Effect in every and any way they can.

 

Now, if we actually stopped to think for a minute, we would realize that if they actually believed their attitudes, they'd be complete fools or completely insane for investing so much time or indeed any amount of time for something they repeatedly claim to be worthless.

 

So assuming that's not the case, there's really only one explanation. These are people with very significant investments in Mass Effect, who were hurt or disappointed with how things turned out. And they spend so much time because they they're determined to punish BioWare any way they can. And this is the only way they can do that.

[Bob from Accounting]

Really, do people imagine it to be a coincidence that there's a fair group of people who happen to 'hate' Liara, 'hate' Synthetics, 'hate' Paragons, and 'hate' BioWare? Every theme and character they imagine to be pushed in the story, they 'hate'.

 

It's no coincidence at all. Just self-serving delusions. And people here are more than capable and willing of such mental gymnastics.

[ImaginaryMatter]

A significant chunk of people who visit this section of the forum overwhelmingly post nothing but insults, demands, and proclamations of 'bad writing' and incompetence.

 

That is just about all they say. They come here and spend hours upon hours deriding BioWare and Mass Effect in every and any way they can.

 

Now, if we actually stopped to think for a minute, we would realize that if they actually believed their attitudes, they'd be complete fools or completely insane for investing so much time or indeed any amount of time for something they repeatedly claim to be worthless.

 

So assuming that's not the case, there's really only one explanation. These are people with very significant investments in Mass Effect, who were hurt or disappointed with how things turned out. And they spend so much time because they they're determined to punish BioWare any way they can. And this is the only way they can do that.

 

Confirmation bias. Confirmation bias.

 

That's one assumption, certainly not the only one, certainly one of the less reasonable ones. People here come to this forum for the same reason people join forums.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Exactly! We come here to: 1) participate in a discussion; 2) b****, moan and complain; 3) troll other posters; 4) laugh; 5) waste time.

[shodiswe]

I don't hate Liara, I tend to "Romance her on my Shepards". I kind of preferd her to Ashley in ME1. I didn't hate Ashley in ME1, but, well, she really didn't seem like my type. I probably that too much in RL anyway, judging people preemptively and pushing them away not giving them a chance.

 

Anyway... Where was I.... Yes, there are probably several different reasons for other Mass Effect palyers to get frustrated at Liara.

 

1. They got their own Waifu or whatever.

2. They might have wanted to bring someone else to a mission.

3. They might have had more conversation with another character instead of Liara.

4. They have a problem with Asari in general, because they are like those uppity Elves in Lord of the rings, or other elitistic people thinking they are so supperior.

5. They are taking out their frustration of other things in game on Liara, story, gamemechanics, Bioware stuff.

6. Reasons, and frustration.

[shodiswe]

The waste time is a very good reason!

[Ryzaki]

Doesn't help that we're not allowed to call the Councilor out on it, and endure the forced sadness and self-blame after Thessia.

One of my Shepards (JayneShep) sacrificed the Council and sided with the Quarians (sold Legion in ME2). The replacement Asari councilor is, frankly, a ****** - nose up in the air about deigning to accept help from "the vagrants" (her words). Then we find out they were, for their sole benefit, sitting on Prothean tech crucial to the Crucible project, and had been for centuries, after making it a crime to withhold Prothean tech. Why the hell am I forced to apologize to her?

I guess I'm more critical of the handling of Asari in general than Liara specifically. I can't say I've been particularly mean to her (to the degree that it is allowed, anyway) even with my more renegade Shepards.

 

Agreed. I remember looking for the "screw you" option on my first playthrough. (And the ME1 Asari Councillor isn't any better in this scenario). Woe and behold BW's canon Shep apparently doesn't dare call the Asari on their bullshit (calls everyone else on it though. WTF).

[von uber]

Oh good, we definitely needed another thread about this.
It's not like there's a massive thread covering exactly the same never ending topic, good job this one was started.


Sooooo.. mass effect fields to dispose of quarian waste eh.