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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Probably because people are blending democracy, freedom and equality into one quasi ideal. That and the fact that even if a dictator was perfect, and under his or her rule there was a utopia, eventually that person will die, and then after that, there is no system of check in place to continue the previous person's agenda. 

 

Actually if one wanted a perpetual "perfect" dictatorship, one would place a synthetic in charge...but then we're back to square one.

 

See, this is actually my field of expertise. Logic and Reasoning, Political Theory, and Leadership ideologies. I'm not necessarily ascribing everything I say as reality here, but I'm also trying to invoke a thought experiment on some philosophical topics as well.

[KaiserShep]

Is there any way to prove that is Shepard's kid since all Asari look the same? And why would Shepard want a Asari kid? What if Shepard wants to have a human kid? Is LIara prepared for that?

Proof isn't really important. The implication of the image is pretty obvious.

As for the rest, I'd say that's an issue for the countless ideas people have for the multitude of Shepards they role play. Heck my Shepard is as interested in kids as she would be in having a vorcha cabana boy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I've never understood why everyone hates dictators. 

 

 

Neither do I actually.

 

No wonder I picked control lol.

[Rusty Sandusky]

*slowly backs out*

[eyezonlyii]

See, this is actually my field of expertise. Logic and Reasoning, Political Theory, and Leadership ideologies. I'm not necessarily ascribing everything I say as reality here, but I'm also trying to invoke a thought experiment on some philosophical topics as well.

You and my ex would have a great time talking to one another.

[Barquiel]

Neither do I actually.
 
No wonder I picked control lol.

But the Shepalyst is a nice dictator. She provides a voice to those too weak to speak for themselves and everything!

[eyezonlyii]

@kaiser

 

Is that an owl-cat?

[KaiserShep]

@kaiser
 
Is that an owl-cat?

The owl griffin. My attempt at creating a fantasy creature.

[Hadeedak]

The owl griffin. My attempt at creating a fantasy creature.

 

Check out Kaiser's art in the linked deviantart. It's really, really good.

 

*returns to hiding from the crazy thread*

[themikefest]

The owl griffin. My attempt at creating a fantasy creature.

I have to say I enjoyed looking at your profile on devianart. Very impressed with your drawings. I guess its safe to say you like sharks.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The owl griffin. My attempt at creating a fantasy creature.

Hmmm. I though it was a Batarian-cat. With the 4 eyes and what not

[DeinonSlayer]

I didn't adress your last post because you made things up, and it's contradicted by what we're told in-game. As much as I wanted to have Shiala playing a bigger role, she didn't share the cipher with any Crucible scientists. And Shepard never studies any prothean artifacts or even the archives on Mars because she could activate something with her cipher. After Shep activated vendetta, there's no dialogue that implies revealing the beacon (it's a beacon, not an archive btw) earlier would have changed a thing and there's no dialogue that implies that the asari councilor knew about the beacon. The game tells you (multiple times) that the asari couldn't properly activate the beacon, Vendetta was programmed to withold the relevant information and Tevos was just informed by the matriarchs. That why you can't blame her personally after Thessia, it's as simple as that.

By "archive," I was referring to the temple. And you are arguing that nothing, not the beacon, not the numerous artifacts stashed away in that temple, could have helped in any way before then. Even though we've spent weeks in the narrative hauling ass to the far ends of the galaxy in search of anything with Prothean writing on it to assist with the Crucible project. Keep telling yourself that.

I haven't "made up" anything. Shiala has the cipher, and is capable of sharing it with others. We had an opportunity to pick her up on Feros much, much earlier, but didn't (a very stupid move we, the player, are granted no control over). These are uncontested facts in the narrative. If EDI says that Shepard is the only one with the Cipher, the only one who could have helped, she's either wrong, pacifying the grief-stricken Shadow Broker with a comforting lie, or the writers ignored it - none of which erases this fact. It's no more complicated than that. Frankly, for all the field use he sees in my typical playthrough, I'd have liked the option to send Javik off to the Crucible (I like talking to the guy, but only one of my four Shepards could make biotic explosions happen and I didn't feel like dragging Liara everywhere I wasn't already forced to).

Activated or not, the Asari were clearly able to derive information from the beacon. Every single squadmate you bring to the temple makes this observation. You can't argue it would have been useless when they've already done quite well for themselves by making use of it. They didn't withhold it because it was useless; they withheld it because it would be a huge scandal to reveal they were hoarding Prothean tech to themselves, a practice they outlawed for everyone else. We can call out just about every politician in the game for their bullshit, so why are the Asari exempt? EmoShep whines that "Thessia fell, and That's On Me!"

Why does Shepard claim personal responsibility for the fall of Thessia (which fell before we even got there), potentially after callously brushing off the genocides of four other species for which (s)he actually was responsible? Why do we automatically agree with Tevos' whinging about how she "never thought this day would come" when Shepard has been screaming from the mountaintops about it since day one?

I'd recommend you read Crutch's post too.

[KaiserShep]

Heh. "Emoshep". Sounds like a very moody Egyptian architect.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

By "archive," I was referring to the temple. And you are arguing that nothing, not the beacon, not the numerous artifacts stashed away in that temple, could have helped in any way before then. Even though we've spent weeks in the narrative hauling ass to the far ends of the galaxy in search of anything with Prothean writing on it to assist with the Crucible project. Keep telling yourself that.

I haven't "made up" anything. Shiala has the cipher, and is capable of sharing it with others. We had an opportunity to pick her up on Feros much, much earlier, but didn't (a very stupid move we, the player, are granted no control over). These are uncontested facts in the narrative. If EDI says that Shepard is the only one with the Cipher, the only one who could have helped, she's either wrong, pacifying the grief-stricken Shadow Broker with a comforting lie, or the writers ignored it - none of which erases this fact. It's no more complicated than that. Frankly, for all the field use he sees in my typical playthrough, I'd have liked the option to send Javik off to the Crucible.

Activated or not, the Asari were clearly able to derive information from the beacon. Every single squadmate you bring to the temple makes this observation. You can't argue it would have been useless when they've already done quite well for themselves by making use of it. They didn't withhold it because it was useless; they withheld it because it would be a huge scandal to reveal they were hoarding Prothean tech to themselves, a practice they outlawed for everyone else. We can call out just about every politician in the game for their bullshit, so why are the Asari exempt? EmoShep whines that "Thessia fell, and That's On Me!"

Why does Shepard claim personal responsibility for the fall of Thessia (which fell before we even got there), potentially after callously brushing off the genocides of four other species for which (s)he actually was responsible?

I'd recommend you read Crutch's post too.

 

The only reason the beacon's location had been covered up was because the politicians wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe the Asari developed their technology on their own without the aid of a Prothean beacon. Every civilization was about at the same tech level. The Turians were at the same tech level as the Asari, as were the Salarians. And now Earth was closing in fast as well before the war because of the Mars Archives. 

 

It's the writing. It could have been the archives the Turians found that jumped them ahead. The existence of Vendetta and its location along with Cerberus knowing about it was a plot ass pull. There was absolutely no foreshadowing that it was on Thessia. There were no clues. Suddenly the Asari councilor shows up and tells us about "there is an archive on Thessia you should look at." Then you get there and Cerberus is there ahead of you in the middle of a reaper invasion.

 

Why wasn't it on Sur'Kesh? Or Palaven? The only reason it wasn't is because you hadn't been to Thessia. What if Valern had contacted you and said, "we have an archive you should look at." Or Victus said "We have an archive you should look at. Maybe it might contain some clues to the Crucible." You get my point? It could have been anywhere. It wasn't foreshadowed. It was an ass pull. And if it had been on any of those other worlds, Cerberus would have been there.... "From the Mars archives, or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?"

 

The Salarians didn't supply any effort to the fight unless you sabotaged the genophage. They sat out. And the Asari get all the blame? 

 

I keep saying: EDI held out on you. She didn't think it was important. 

 

I think they got to Thessia and they were writing the conversation and went "Oh s***! How did TIM find out?"

"Udina's office?"

"No, they swept it for bugs."

"That leaves the Mars Archives."

"But what about Eva Core? Wouldn't EDI have..."

"Shut up, no one will think about that. Blame Liara in the conversation, and people will blame the Asari for hiding it. Everyone will forget that the Salarians aren't doing s*** for the war effort."

"Perfect!"

 

Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb.

 

Remind me to find the .ogg file for Shepard after Thessia and put my own voice in there saying "F***!" instead of "I'm sorry, we lost Thessia."

[dgcatanisiri]

By "archive," I was referring to the temple. And you are arguing that nothing, not the beacon, not the numerous artifacts stashed away in that temple, could have helped in any way before then. Even though we've spent weeks in the narrative hauling ass to the far ends of the galaxy in search of anything with Prothean writing on it to assist with the Crucible project. Keep telling yourself that.

I haven't "made up" anything. Shiala has the cipher, and is capable of sharing it with others. We had an opportunity to pick her up on Feros much, much earlier, but didn't (a very stupid move we, the player, are granted no control over). These are uncontested facts in the narrative. If EDI says that Shepard is the only one with the Cipher, the only one who could have helped, she's either wrong, pacifying the grief-stricken Shadow Broker with a comforting lie, or the writers ignored it - none of which erases this fact. It's no more complicated than that. Frankly, for all the field use he sees in my typical playthrough, I'd have liked the option to send Javik off to the Crucible.

Activated or not, the Asari were clearly able to derive information from the beacon. Every single squadmate you bring to the temple makes this observation. You can't argue it would have been useless when they've already done quite well for themselves by making use of it. They didn't withhold it because it was useless; they withheld it because it would be a huge scandal to reveal they were hoarding Prothean tech to themselves, a practice they outlawed for everyone else. We can call out just about every politician in the game for their bullshit, so why are the Asari exempt? EmoShep whines that "Thessia fell, and That's On Me!"

Why does Shepard claim personal responsibility for the fall of Thessia (which fell before we even got there), potentially after callously brushing off the genocides of four other species for which (s)he actually was responsible?

I'd recommend you read Crutch's post too.

 

I've said this about Thessia many a time. Revealing the mere existence of the beacon at ANY POINT PRIOR would have changed everything. When Shepard starts talking about a prothean vision after interacting with the beacon in 1, in that brief month of support between ME1 and ME2, when Earth fell at the start of 3... Had the asari matriarchs "discovered" this beacon at one of their ancient holy sites, golly gee, who knew that was there under the dust, the course of the entire war would have been changed. How much would it have helped is of course debatable, would depend on when they do reveal it, but you can't deny that instead of doing this, the asari matriarchs chose to turtle up, keep it hidden, and protect their own power and position, rather than contribute to the war effort until the eleventh hour and expect that to save them. And then the auto-dialogue kicks in and Shepard is only blaming themselves for what happened. I don't care if you want to play a Shepard who is sad for the asari and wishes they could have done something, I want to play a Shepard who is pissed off at the asari for protecting their power for a few more weeks instead of doing what they could to save the galaxy. I'm not saying that the option to be sad for the asari should be removed, I'm saying it shouldn't be the only one.

[spirosz]

Better question to ask, why is there so much ...

 

Liara love?

 

 

[DeinonSlayer]

Better question to ask, why is there so much ...

 

Liara love?

 

 

Look, everyone, it's David! Seize him!!!

 

[rekn2]

Look, everyone, it's David! Seize him!!!

 

i dont take prisoners

[ImaginaryMatter]

Better question to ask, why is there so much ...

 

Liara love?

 

 

 

What? What is this?

 

This has to be the greatest coincidence in the history of the universe.

[DeinonSlayer]

What? What is this?

 

This has to be the greatest coincidence in the history of the universe.

You realize what this means, right?

 

We all have to rename ourselves "________ From Accounting"

 

...I have dibs on "Salzman"

[themikefest]

I have dibs on Bobvid From Accounting

[ImaginaryMatter]

You realize what this means, right?

 

We all have to rename ourselves "________ From Accounting"

 

...I have dibs on "Salzman"

 

Unfortunately, "Imaginary from Accounting" or "Matter from Accounting" don't quite sound right.

 

Guess it's time to bust out the stripper names: "Charity from Accounting".

[eyezonlyii]

I rather like Eyez from Accounting

[DeinonSlayer]

Zeratul from Accounting.
 
 
Accountant by day, Protoss Dark Templar by night.
 
 
Naaaahh that's stupid.

Zeratul. I knew that name came from somewhere!