Jesus Christ you all sound petty.
Mass Effect is like picking at a scab. You're new here. You'll understand soon. Picking at the big scabs gets old, then you've got to go at the minor ones, then they get old, so you go after the small stuff. LotSB is 3 years old now. ME3 is 2 years old. We're onto the real petty stuff.
Crazy blue chick who didn't even have the decency to have a backwards glance when I fell out a window at that. >_>
Though I love the kicked puppy look she gives Shep when he tells her to keep it professional. No BW I feel absolutely no guilt over saying that.
I'm really skeptical about complaints regarding Shep saving Liara. LOTSB was always advertised as Liara-centric. You paid $10 to spend more time with Liara. This is her story. The desk throw is a dramatic contrivance to remove the less relevant squad member and says nothing about anyone's competence or how much they care about the third squad mate.
I thought it was going to be more about discovering the secrets of the Shadow Broker. In fact, it actually seemed more like it was going to take that route for the majority of the DLC. Personally, I despise dramatic contrivances period.
Crazy blue chick who didn't even have the decency to have a backwards glance when I fell out a window at that. >_>
Though I love the kicked puppy look she gives Shep when he tells her to keep it professional. No BW I feel absolutely no guilt over saying that.
I've never seen that. Do you have link?
Crap I don't. Most people don't reject her when she asks you to visit her on the ship D:
I'm really skeptical about complaints regarding Shep saving Liara. LOTSB was always advertised as Liara-centric. You paid $10 to spend more time with Liara. This is her story. The desk throw is a dramatic contrivance to remove the less relevant squad member and says nothing about anyone's competence or how much they care about the third squad mate.
Now what spin-off have you read, seen or played where characters suddenly act completely differently or forget what relationships they had in the main game simply because "it's someone else's story"?
That's not an excuse.
I'm really skeptical about complaints regarding Shep saving Liara. LOTSB was always advertised as Liara-centric. You paid $10 to spend more time with Liara. This is her story. The desk throw is a dramatic contrivance to remove the less relevant squad member and says nothing about anyone's competence or how much they care about the third squad mate.
Of course! The name of the DLC is a typo! It's supposed to say 'Liara and the Shadow Broker'! Our mistake this whole time! I can see how that got confused.
Really, though, for all that the squadmate is there, the overall impression in LotSB is that they AREN'T, that this is Shepard and Liara on a solo mission. Hell, there's some dialogue in 3 that feels like that's how it's meant to be remembered as, that it's implied that it happened with just the two of them waging a private war, without Shepard's squadmate coming along. While I understand the practicalities of getting twelve VA's into a recording studio to play bit parts, 'dramatic contrivance' is only a production answer to that, not a story answer. In the story, if Liara was not romanced and an ME2 squadmate accompanying them was, why would Shepard move to protect Liara first if their romance is there with them? Just because she's physically closer would not make protecting her their first priority. If something has to be answered through production reasons, rather than story reasons, then it's a flaw of the story.
Not to mention, this particular 'dramatic contrivance' is a bad one. There are also other possible solutions for why the other squadmate wouldn't be in the fight - place Shepard and Liara on a platform that drops them down into the Shadow Broker's lair, for example, or perhaps an ambush of Broker agents that Shepard orders the other squadmate to hold off as s/he follows Liara into the lair. The Broker obviously has tech all over the place and kinetic barriers of various strengths are already part of the lore, having one activate behind Shepard and Liara would have split them off from the squadmate just as easily. There are ways to handle it that were not 'Shepard's other squadmate, friend, and potential LI lies unconscious on the ground for several minutes during the climactic finale being all about Shepard and Liara.' Instead, it was decided to have Shepard knock Liara out of the way and just knock out and ignore the squadmate. It's like BioWare forgot that there were people who liked the characters of ME2, cared about them enough to want to have them along when they go on missions, a strange thing, considering that was something of the point of ME2, forging a connection with these characters.
The Project Overlord DLC got me thinking about a pretty surefire way to separate Shepard from a companion or two without actually harming them: close the door lol.
Seriously. Shepard staggers out of the room plugged into the Overlord, and the other two squadmates watch in confusion, and then the door slams shut and they can't get out, forcing Shepard to go solo from that point onward. I'm conflicted about preferring this, mainly because I really like the Shadow Broker's unique commentary for each second companion, so I'd probably rather have that companion remain an active combatant in the boss battle. Considering that the second companion is excluded from squad banter, it wouldn't even make a difference if they were running around shooting at the yagh.
Jesus Christ you all sound petty.
Yeah, I've been noticing that more and more. It's kinda sad.
The Project Overlord DLC got me thinking about a pretty surefire way to separate Shepard from a companion or two without actually harming them: close the door lol.
Seriously. Shepard staggers out of the room plugged into the Overlord, and the other two squadmates watch in confusion, and then the door slams shut and they can't get out, forcing Shepard to go solo from that point onward. I'm conflicted about preferring this, mainly because I really like the Shadow Broker's unique commentary for each second companion, so I'd probably rather have that companion remain an active combatant in the boss battle. Considering that the second companion is excluded from squad banter, it wouldn't even make a difference if they were running around shooting at the yagh.
*insert matrix Morpheus meme:
What if I told you...
You can still have the commentary and take the squadmate out of commission, and not have character-breaking inconsistency?
Simply trap the squadmate before you get to the yahg. This can be a locked door, those bubble shields from Purgatory, whatever. Now even if you don't give a damn about Feron (I never did) or Liara (I did) you have a reason to be concerned and take out the Broker.
Or just keep the damn squadmate active. None of them have abilities that would break the boss fight. The yahg goes down like a ****** to my Widow anyway.
Yeah, I've been noticing that more and more. It's kinda sad.
its been like that since day 1, pay more attention
*insert matrix Morpheus meme:
What if I told you...
You can still have the commentary and take the squadmate out of commission, and not have character-breaking inconsistency?
Simply trap the squadmate before you get to the yahg. This can be a locked door, those bubble shields from Purgatory, whatever. Now even if you don't give a damn about Feron (I never did) or Liara (I did) you have a reason to be concerned and take out the Broker.
Or just keep the damn squadmate active. None of them have abilities that would break the boss fight. The yahg goes down like a ****** to my Widow anyway.
i should have had the option to solo the entire game
Or just keep the damn squadmate active. None of them have abilities that would break the boss fight. The yahg goes down like a ****** to my Widow anyway.
Yeah I think Occam's razor applies here. Just don't put the second squadmate out of commission and balance the SB's stats accordingly.
i should have had the option to solo the entire game
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She needs a tan. Looking a bit light blue there.
I don't hate Liara, but it's a bit awkward for a Shepard that romances someone else. All these touch-feely moments. The fight with the Shadow Broker, as mentioned above, was very odd. Tali is all K.O.'ed over there, and Sheps like "Whatevs, I gotta spoon real quick." Then those lingering hugs. It's cool Liara, you're a good friend, I'm here if you need me. (5 mins later) Okay, that's enough. You can let go now.
Although I like the character, I love Shepard's response if you decline the 'gift' at the end of 3. Something along the lines of "This really isn't the time!"
Squadmate wise, she is definitely one of the most useful, especially on higher difficulty settings in the first game.
Although I like the character, I love Shepard's response if you decline the 'gift' at the end of 3. Something along the lines of "This really isn't the time!"
If you take the bottom right dialogue to not bring her up to the Normandy after defeating the shadow broker, she gives you a very hurtful look and Shepard looks away.
I take a few days off and miss a nice Liara hate thread?
;_;
I take a few days off and miss a nice Liara hate thread?
;_;
Liara hate is like the Navy and coffee, it's the true fuel that keeps BSN running.
To David->
She was a Full paragorn femshep... and she never liked Liara (from the day she met liara she did not like her) 100% Paragorn.
Your "paragorn" Shepard has a terrible case of lazy-eye.
i should have had the option to solo the entire game
The LotSB DLC would be really short if you had such an option. Basically, you'd just take the Normandy straight to Hagalaz and assault the Shadow Broker's ship. The only reason you meet Vasir and have a high speed pursuit through Illium is because it directly involves Liara.
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