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[Supreme6789]

Everytime I see these threads, I'm tempted to jump in and start arguing.

 

But then I remind myself: why bother. It's not worth my time(and certainly not my nerves) and it's not going to change anybody's mind. Liara haters were, are and will stay a sad bunch. Me, I'm happy to have her as my chosen LI.

 

Could her romance be better? Certainly. Am I happy with what I got? Most definitely yes, even with all the friendzoning. And as far as I'm concerned, her romance is better than pretty much any other, sans perhaps Garrus. And she is(once again, personal opinion) the best character in the game and the most useful and powerful of all team members, so yeah. That's good enough for me.

 

Sure, it sucks to see all the hate, but as they say... haters gonna hate

No shi* she has the most content.haters gonna hate is so f***ing corny ,YOLO fuc* it 

[KaiserShep]

She is a character that I didn't see having a strong case to be in combat in the first game (on the Normandy was fine as she was the Prothean "expert")

 

I think it would have served well if all squad members in the team had some kind of background in combat. I think this was a bigger problem for Tali, since she was basically a walking bubble girl who could die if exposed to the open air.

[Animositisomina]

I think it would have served well if all squad members in the team had some kind of background in combat. I think this was a bigger problem for Tali, since she was basically a walking bubble girl who could die if exposed to the open air.

Oh, nooo... I'm so sorry, it's the Moops.

[DuskWanderer]

As you say, Liara is the one you chose, so of course her high amount of content will satisfy you. The only drawback I see for a Liara fan is the dual relationship Bioware tried to stick her into, in which she apparently failed at both. For me personally, I don't hate her. She is a character that I didn't see having a strong case to be in combat in the first game (on the Normandy was fine as she was the Prothean "expert"), and my main gripe (same as I have with Garrus) is the fact that the is assumed to be my bestest friend. I'm happy that you're happy with your experience, but I would rather Bioware just go ahead and state that "This is your LI" rather than underhandedly canonize one through sheer content/plot relevance. 

This is a very big part of it. I didn't see the purpose of her character at all. The fact that Benezia had a daughter really didn't matter that much, considering I could kill Benezia and be on my merry way before I've even met Liara. After that, I've got the Cypher, so I really don't need a "Prothean expert"

 

I also had a major issue with Liara presumed to be my best friend. I never talked to her in the first game (I had no idea where she was the first few times I played), and then, all of a sudden, I'm giving her hugs and talking all forlornly.

 

The Aetheyta bug is, sure, a bug. Annoying, but a mistake. The whole Shepard talking "Li-are-a" and the warm fuzzies, and the hugs I give her. It's one thing to establish a relationship pre-canon, but it's quite another to establish a canon relationship during the canon, particularly when that relationship really isn't that important.

 

In short, she was pointless to have and even more pointless as a friend. Why we needed to have her around baffled me.

[KaiserShep]

Oh, nooo... I'm so sorry, it's the Moops.

It's not Moops, you idiot! It's MOORS!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It doesn't help that there are glitches in the game that seemingly want you to love Liara and force her on you as well. For example, in my current trilogy run, I never spoke to Liara in ME1 unless I was forced to by the game. I romanced no one. Then in ME2, I completed a romance with Miranda. In ME3 now, I'm building a relationship with Cortez (this Shepard is... complicated) and despite that, I still get this when talking to Aethyta:

 

 

 

So friggin' irritating.

 

 

 

That is bad scripting and sloppy QA. It's not the character's fault. It's not the writers shoving the character down your throat. It would be irritating and breaks the suspension of disbelief.

[CrutchCricket]

You know, having just done a playthrough with an ME3 Liara romance I don't see where the problem is. I mean I don't expect them to be boinking all the time and the romance specific lines are cute enough.

 

Then again I come from a Miranda romance where I'm lucky I have that apartment scene. So maybe less complaining on this front would be good.

[Animositisomina]

That is bad scripting and sloppy QA. It's not the character's fault. It's not the writers shoving the character down your throat. It would be irritating and breaks the suspension of disbelief.

I guess I didn't really phrase what I was saying properly. I know it isn't the character's fault and I'm aware it's just a bug in this particular case. It was just that on top of everything else, here's even more Liara that I have zero interest in. One more little annoyance I have to deal with about her, bug or not.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I guess I didn't really phrase what I was saying properly. I know it isn't the character's fault and I'm aware it's just a bug in this particular case. It was just that on top of everything else, here's even more Liara that I have zero interest in. One more little annoyance I have to deal with about her, bug or not.

 

1) they shouldn't have taken the lines from Liara and given them to Traynor.

2) they should have given Traynor unique lines to show off her own usefulness.

3) they should have made a more consistent Liara.

4) they should have given more content to the other characters.

 

But the problem with giving more content to the other characters was the Suicide Mission. Liara and the VS were the only characters guaranteed to be alive. They could have retconned the Suicide Mission and said "everyone survived," and written a better story. And everyone would have raged "my choices didn't matter," even if they got additional content.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

This is a very big part of it. I didn't see the purpose of her character at all. The fact that Benezia had a daughter really didn't matter that much, considering I could kill Benezia and be on my merry way before I've even met Liara. After that, I've got the Cypher, so I really don't need a "Prothean expert"

 

Yeah, just ignore the fact that you don't pinpoint Ilos without her.

 

But seriously, do we really need another thirty page thread on this? Some people like Liara, some don't. Isn't it enough to leave it at that?

[Mordokai]

That was my take as well. And while I might have a few minor gripes, I think she was much better written in ME3 than in ME1. 

 

For clarificiation, I liked her plenty in ME1. But yes, there is no doubt, I liked ME1 Liara. I love ME3 Liara, since she is so much better developed and fleshed out character

 

As you say, Liara is the one you chose, so of course her high amount of content will satisfy you. The only drawback I see for a Liara fan is the dual relationship Bioware tried to stick her into, in which she apparently failed at both. For me personally, I don't hate her. She is a character that I didn't see having a strong case to be in combat in the first game (on the Normandy was fine as she was the Prothean "expert"), and my main gripe (same as I have with Garrus) is the fact that the is assumed to be my bestest friend. I'm happy that you're happy with your experience, but I would rather Bioware just go ahead and state that "This is your LI" rather than underhandedly canonize one through sheer content/plot relevance. 

 

I don't think she failed. Yes, there is little difference between her friendship and romance paths, but the differences are there, subtle as they may be. I attribute that to Liara herself. She cares a great deal about Commander, be it as a friend or a lover. Could they(Bioware) do it better? Probably, but given everything else that's wrong with this game, this is a minor gripe at best. Do I believe she is in love with Shepard no matter what? That is one possibility, though I don't subscribe to it. But she obviously does think a lot of him/her and is not afraid of showing it. It really is fridge logic, when you think about it.

 

Which brings us to your other point, of her being your assumed friend. I think this is one the things that has been canonized, whether you agree with it or not. Liara, Garrus, Tali(possibly Wrex and VS) are supposed to be Shepard's friends. They have been with him/her for longer than anybody else and the third game goes to some lenght to show that. And it's fine with me, but I can see how some people would take issues with that.

 

The games supposedly don't subscribe to any canon, but I really believe this to be the case.

 

No shi* she has the most content.haters gonna hate is so f***ing corny ,YOLO fuc* it 

 

Tell me how you really feel

[von uber]

There definitely are several things which are canon or scripted to occur. I recall reading that bioware wanted shep to be more defined than their usual player characters.

[DuskWanderer]

Yeah, just ignore the fact that you don't pinpoint Ilos without her.

 

But seriously, do we really need another thirty page thread on this? Some people like Liara, some don't. Isn't it enough to leave it at that?

Give me one good reason why it's necessary for Liara to do it. The Cypher shows us the planet all by itself. Whose to say it doesn't give a name for it.

[von uber]

The game says so. Liara recognises it from her research. Shep doesn't have a clue.

[DuskWanderer]

For clarificiation, I liked her plenty in ME1. But yes, there is no doubt, I liked ME1 Liara. I love ME3 Liara, since she is so much better developed and fleshed out character

 

 

I don't think she failed. Yes, there is little difference between her friendship and romance paths, but the differences are there, subtle as they may be. I attribute that to Liara herself. She cares a great deal about Commander, be it as a friend or a lover. Could they(Bioware) do it better? Probably, but given everything else that's wrong with this game, this is a minor gripe at best. Do I believe she is in love with Shepard no matter what? That is one possibility, though I don't subscribe to it. But she obviously does think a lot of him/her and is not afraid of showing it. It really is fridge logic, when you think about it.

 

Which brings us to your other point, of her being your assumed friend. I think this is one the things that has been canonized, whether you agree with it or not. Liara, Garrus, Tali(possibly Wrex and VS) are supposed to be Shepard's friends. They have been with him/her for longer than anybody else and the third game goes to some lenght to show that. And it's fine with me, but I can see how some people would take issues with that.

 

The games supposedly don't subscribe to any canon, but I really believe this to be the case.

 

 

Tell me how you really feel

I can gun down the VS if I so choose, or even send them away to Hackett. I can gun down Wrex, or have Ash shoot him in the back. I can brutally slaughter Tali's people. I can send Garrus off to his death knowing it will kill him.

 

Liara? I can't even yell at her. My choices are to be touchy-feely-fawny with her, boink her, or some level of professionalism that still says we're besties. At best, I can ignore her, and honestly, that breaks suspension of disbelief massively, considering she's always coming up to my damn room.

 

More to the point, who Shepard's friend is doesn't matter. Why is that forced on us?

[von uber]

Always? You mean once... unless you invite her of course.. which probably means you do.
Ah, you are another who secretly loves her, excellent.

[Mordokai]

I can gun down the VS if I so choose, or even send them away to Hackett. I can gun down Wrex, or have Ash shoot him in the back. I can brutally slaughter Tali's people. I can send Garrus off to his death knowing it will kill him.

 

Liara? I can't even yell at her. My choices are to be touchy-feely-fawny with her, boink her, or some level of professionalism that still says we're besties. At best, I can ignore her, and honestly, that breaks suspension of disbelief massively, considering she's always coming up to my damn room.

 

More to the point, who Shepard's friend is doesn't matter. Why is that forced on us?

 

I put Wrex and VS into parentheses for that exact reason.

 

But Garrus, Tali and Liara? Liara is with you na matter what... however much you may despise that As for Garrus and Tali... you kill them on suicide mission, nobody replaces them in ME3. Every other character is replacable, one way or another. The three of them are literally the only ones that are irreplacable and if you kill Garrus or Tali, the game is literally less because of it. Liara just has the luck she can't be killed, because she is even less irrepracable than those two.

 

Some things are canon. Liara, Tali and Garrus being Shepard's friends is one of those things, that I'm sure. You have the ability to do it differently, but if there ever would be a canon, it would most likely not be that way.

[TheTurtle]

I put Wrex and VS into parentheses for that exact reason.

But Garrus, Tali and Liara? Liara is with you na matter what... however much you may despise that As for Garrus and Tali... you kill them on suicide mission, nobody replaces them in ME3. Every other character is replacable, one way or another. The three of them are literally the only ones that are irreplacable and if you kill Garrus or Tali, the game is literally less because of it. Liara just has the luck she can't be killed, because she is even less irrepracable than those two.

Some things are canon. Liara, Tali and Garrus being Shepard's friends is one of those things, that I'm sure. You have the ability to do it differently, but if there ever would be a canon, it would most likely not be that way.

Maybe it's less of a game for you, but some can argue a game without Garrus and Tali are better.

Garrus doesn't add anything to the story other than on Menae. He has one conversation where you're forced to talk to him and that's after Tuchunka. Plus you know he can be dead.

While Tali is necessary for peace some people including me don't care about peace. I'm a destroyer so the Geth are going to die anyway noo need to complicate things. Also Tali isn't a forced friend like Garrus and Liara. You can tell her to screw off and never talk to her outside of Rannoch. And just like Garrus she can die.

Liara is the only one who you can't kill and are forced to talk to in multiple occasions. I don't care as I romance Liara about 90% of the time when I play femshep, but I can see why people don't like her and as hard as you try you're never going to change their opinions just like they can't change yours.

[von uber]

You can kill her on the beam run.

[Farangbaa]

This thread has a whole lot of 'I can't accept the story'.

 

You get to shape the story, but only to a degree. There's a backbone that you're going to follow, else there simply is no story to tell. Liara is an integral part of the story, you can not do without her. Hell, if Liara's wasn't there you'd die in between ME1 and ME2. That in itself should warrant lifelong friendship, don't you think?

 

You can personally dislike her all you want, but Shepard can't. Deal with it.

[Mordokai]

Maybe it's less of a game for you, but some can argue a game without Garrus and Tali are better.

Garrus doesn't add anything to the story other than on Menae. He has one conversation where you're forced to talk to him and that's after Tuchunka. Plus you know he can be dead.

While Tali is necessary for peace some people including me don't care about peace. I'm a destroyer so the Geth are going to die anyway noo need to complicate things. Also Tali isn't a forced friend like Garrus and Liara. You can tell her to screw off and never talk to her outside of Rannoch. And just like Garrus she can die.

Liara is the only one who you can't kill and are forced to talk to in multiple occasions. I don't care as I romance Liara about 90% of the time when I play femshep, but I can see why people don't like her and as hard as you try you're never going to change their opinions just like they can't change yours.

 

The devs seem to disagree with you. And yeah, everything you said is true. But you(or at least, I do) just the feeling, on the meta level, if Garrus and Tali are dead, this is the way the game tells you you screwed, therefore you don't get two of your personal best buddies to join you for the ride and have to settle for inferior NPCs.

 

Really, I think it's more of who's developers favourite and they felt the need to "punish" those players who "failed" to keep them alive. Somebody might personally disagree with that, but that's the feeling I get.

 

You can kill her on the beam run.

 

For which you have to screw the galaxy over, basically. That's what I find so sad about Liara haters. I've seen topics where people screwed their game on purpose(and, consequently, the galaxy), just so they can finally kill Liara. And then went and bragged about it. Tell me that's not sad.

 

This thread has a whole lot of 'I can't accept the story'.

 

You get to shape the story, but only to a degree. There's a backbone that you're going to follow, else there simply is no story to tell. Liara is an integral part of the story, you can not do without her. Hell, if Liara's wasn't there you'd die in between ME1 and ME2. That in itself should warrant lifelong friendship, don't you think?

 

You can personally dislike her all you want, but Shepard can't. Deal with it.

 

Which is another way of showing that, canonicaly, Shepard is grateful to Liara for saving him/her. The player might feel resentment towards her because of it, but the game shows that Shepard does not share that feelings.

[Derpy]

I wish there was a better way to kill Liara. Maybe Kei Lame should have stabbed her instead?

[TheTurtle]

Deal with it.

You made good points, but then you ruined it by saying this. I hate that term it sounds so self entitled and douchey. No one should be forced to deal with anything and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If they want to complain who cares let them feedback is good whether it positive or negative.

[CrimsonN7]

Meh haters gonna hate. Never got the whole uh I want to kill that character off so bad wah wah wah thing, that's just retarded. Yeah I have characters that I dislike in the series but I never felt the urge to want them dead, takes too much effort to hate on a character that much.

[Farangbaa]

You made good points, but then you ruined it by saying this. I hate that term it sounds so self entitled and douchey. No one should be forced to deal with anything and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If they want to complain who cares let them feedback is good whether it positive or negative.

 

Self entitled? What the?

 

The people that demand having an option to kill her and/or dismiss her are the self entitled ones here, not me.