The dead are dead. Mourning is for the living, because grief shared is grief ultimately diminished.
The notion that dead people somehow deserve more respect than living people--inherently, not just as a means of not offending anyone grieving over their loss--is utterly bizarre to me.
So going to the crash site to pay their respects is too much to ask? How is that bizarre?
Because you're putting your shuttle (your escape/egress vehicle) in danger against a vehicle that has greater air-to-air capability and greater firepower, or at ground targets (that can shoot back at it). Ever hear of Operation: Gothic Serpent (Black Hawk Down)? You don't send your transport on an air/ground strike mission. It doesn't have the specialty or capability in that field. It's a useless risk of your transport.
This same Kodiak is pitted against other more maneuverable enemies prior to this mission throughout the game.
So you are saying that transport helicopters are completely immune to all enemy fire? There were a number of issues (e.g. nearest armoured units were 12h away), so the implication that everything would have gone fine if only the stupid pilots hadn't fired their weapons is insane.Ever hear of Operation: Gothic Serpent (Black Hawk Down)? You don't send your transport on an air/ground strike mission.
And you know this... How? Did your Shepard's ghost hovering over the debries of the crashed ship allow you to tell that no one visited?I hate all ME1 characters because none of them went to the crash site of the SR1 to pay their respects to ones who were killed
So you are saying that transport helicopters are completely immune to all enemy fire? There were a number of issues (e.g. nearest armoured units were 12h away), so the implication that everything would have gone fine if only the stupid pilots hadn't fired their weapons is insane.
And you know this... How? Did your Shepard's ghost hovering over the debries of the crashed ship allow you to tell that no one visited?
If someone had visited the crash site, I would think they would be the ones to put up the memorial.
So going to the crash site to pay their respects is too much to ask? How is that bizarre?
And you know this... How? Did your Shepard's ghost hovering over the debries of the crashed ship allow you to tell that no one visited?
If they did they would've recovered the dogtags and returned them to the family members to give them closure. And why would they leave Shepard's helmet without recoverin git?
I hate all ME1 characters because none of them went to the crash site of the SR1 to pay their respects to ones who were killed. It tells you they didn't give a flying **** about them especially dumb and dumber(Anderson and Hackett). What did they do, they scattered like cockroaches to different parts of the galaxy like nothing ever happened.
Aside from this being in a remote system at the heart of a rather hostile part of the galaxy, I personally do not see the point. I don't visit graves. It doesn't matter who is buried there. It has nothing to do with how much or how little I cared, because that person is gone and it makes no difference to me where I'm standing. Not everyone treats this the same way. Being indifferent to a memorial does not make you indifferent to the lives lost.
If they did they would've recovered the dogtags and returned them to the family members to give them closure. And why would they leave Shepard's helmet without recoverin git?
Among the cast of companions of ME1, the only one who would really feel any obligation to care about the crew that was lost would be Kaidan or Ashley, but if they're reassigned somewhere else by the Alliance, then that's kind of out of their hands anyway. And really, would anyone realistically expect someone like Wrex, a krogan mercenary who has lived hundreds of years and seen thousands of deaths, or a turian, who comes from a militaristic society to truly care to go out there just for dog tags and a helmet or some other mementos from an alien ship? Everyone else outside of the small combat team is basically lower ranking military personnel, so they would probably not be able to go out there if they wanted to anyway.
Among the cast of companions of ME1, the only one who would really feel any obligation to care about the crew that was lost would be Kaidan or Ashley, but if they're reassigned somewhere else by the Alliance, then that's kind of out of their hands anyway.
Well if they feel that way, what's wrong with femshep, the one I play, feel the same for the ME1 characters?
How you RP your Shepard should feel about these characters is your prerogative; I'm simply responding to the particular reasoning being used here. Something like visiting a crash site, to me, doesn't really work because how people mourn or show concern can vary greatly. I don't know how the characters would actually feel beyond what the writers have them convey, but I can make some assumptions based on their personalities, and we do know that they at the very least cared about Shepard, and to some extent each other. At the very least Garrus and Liara care, and Wrex would probably be indifferent toward everyone but Shepard. Tali strikes me as the sort to be very emotional about this sort of thing, and from what she says in ME1, she would be concerned about both Shepard, the companions and at the very least the people in the engineering deck, Adams in particular. Of course ,her obligations lie elsewhere too, since she would probably have gone back to the flotilla.
I hate all ME1 characters because none of them went to the crash site of the SR1 to pay their respects to ones who were killed. It tells you they didn't give a flying **** about them especially dumb and dumber(Anderson and Hackett). What did they do, they scattered like cockroaches to different parts of the galaxy like nothing ever happened.
It's pretty obvious that ypur real problem is eith the writers of the Normandy Crash Site DLC. If that's the way that DLC makes you feel, you should uninstall it.
Just be glad the writers of the DLC did not have the dogtags spread out more realistically, like, all over the planet.
It's just good that Shepard was able to find them all. Really, that was a stoke of luck.
I wasn't looking forward to the "Explain to the grieving widow why there is no trace of her husband" minigame.
It's pretty obvious that ypur real problem is eith the writers of the Normandy Crash Site DLC. If that's the way that DLC makes you feel, you should uninstall it.
I only played it once.
I like the idea, but I kind of take the dogtags with a grain of salt and mostly try to focus on placing the memorial. (I still try to find all the dog tags because I'm a total spaz.)
On a fresh playthrough you get xp for each one you find too, though I'm a quest hound, so I have to get them all anyway. It's practically Pavlovian.
I know that feeling. Allllllll too well.
There's a lot assumption about why T'soni is hated.
For me it started when you first see her on Therum. If you save her early in the game she never shuts up between missions. The other is I had no choice in her being a squadmate. After you she mentions Ilos, she is telling you to let the Council know and get them to assemble their fleets. Who the **** does she think she is telling Shepard what to do? Again where's Javik when you need him to throw the thing out the airlock. On your way to Ilos, why is T'soni, Tali and Ashley/Kaidan in the cockpit. There now giving advice to Joker. What a pile of crap. Why don't we have Joker go on a mission advising the squadmates on what to do.
I hate all ME1 characters because none of them went to the crash site of the SR1 to pay their respects to ones who were killed. It tells you they didn't give a flying **** about them especially dumb and dumber(Anderson and Hackett). What did they do, they scattered like cockroaches to different parts of the galaxy like nothing ever happened.
With T'soni, I can't challenge her on anything she says. The reason she gave me to Cerberus. The armor in her apartment. The pathetic story about my dogtags. I have a what-the-crap hug if I want to recruit Thane and Samara on Illium. The same can be said about all the ME1 characters. You can't challenge them on why nothing was done in the last 2 years. Or at least why no effort was made.
ME3 I have to put up having to deal with ME1 characters. T'soni having scenes that don't mean crap to me. The Thessia crap(the worst mission in the trilogy) and then to hear smurfette saying if only we could have Alliance air support. Where was the renegade interrupt to either tell her off or to smash her upside the head. Then I have to say sorry to the peice of crap councillor. But its all the Asari where they can do no wrong and why we have to be so nicey-nice with T'soni.
Yes you can ignore her throughout the game, but you still get the cutscenes, 3 in paticular that don't mean crap, with her that is unavoidable.
Yeah, sorry but all this just seems like hate for the characters motivates these points instead of the other way around. Which makes it hard to take any of them seriously, even though there are some good role-playing points.
And as people have said, who's to say they didn't visit the crash site? The dog tags don't mean ****. How many memorials have you attended where you've gone on a scavenger hunt? Also realism about dogtag locations and Hackett asking you to look for them etc. Pretend that part didn't happen. And speaking of Hackett, his email to start the quest implies the crash site was just found. Which also doesn't make since the escape pods presumably don't have FTL and were picked up at some point...
Look it has holes alright. I think for the sake of logic and sanity we should just ignore the details. You go, pay your respects, get the reminiscing flashbacks and you leave. End of story, let's move on.
Also on topic: Yeah we really don't need a Liara hate thread. Like at all. The valid criticisms have already been stated ad nausem. As has the hate, really. I predict this is going to become another "talk about whatever" thread.
I don't hate Liara but several of my female gaming buddies love to hate on her (maybe a female thing). In fact she was the love interest for two of my Shepards until ME3 when she obsessed over Javik and was too busy being Shadow Broker to have much time for Shepard. Consequently my latest Shepard went with Tali. I still bring Liara along for her biotics and such though.
Also, when the option is available I disable sending feedback regarding my gameplay.
And as people have said, who's to say they didn't visit the crash site? The dog tags don't mean ****. How many memorials have you attended where you've gone on a scavenger hunt? Also realism about dogtag locations and Hackett asking you to look for them etc. Pretend that part didn't happen. And speaking of Hackett, his email to start the quest implies the crash site was just found. Which also doesn't make since the escape pods presumably don't have FTL and were picked up at some point...
They could walk around the site to remember in their own way and seen the dogtags. Some of them were in the open for all to see.
They could've been found by the Alliance had they made an effort to investigate the debris. I find it hard to believe they just found the sight when Joker(he knew) and others knew the location(or at least may of known) of the attack and the planet that was close by.
I've been to 72 memorial sites in the last 22 1/2 years and will agree I don't go looking for anything.
In defense of the Alliance, planets are big - just look at the recent Malaysia flight disappearance, and how looking for it in just an area the size of Australia is considered daunting. If they don't have the specifics of where exactly the Normandy was when it went down, depending on nearby mineral deposits and such, it could make the search that much harder, especially when it comes to an area of space that is not Alliance affiliated or friendly, making it harder to have their ships searching the area - it could be that instead of the Alliance rescuing the Normandy, it was a passing freighter or something that picked up the distress call, gathered the survivors, and dropped them off at Omega or the Citadel, with only probe recons to try and locate the Normandy's remains. We're never told how rescue operations occur, but I'm not sure I'd say with certainty that it WAS the Alliance who rescued the survivors from around Alchera, given that the Terminus systems are all considered hostile areas.
I dislike her for being a writers' pet and the implication that she and Shepard must be either best friends or lovers.
I hate all ME1 characters because none of them went to the crash site of the SR1 to pay their respects to ones who were killed. It tells you they didn't give a flying **** about them especially dumb and dumber(Anderson and Hackett). What did they do, they scattered like cockroaches to different parts of the galaxy like nothing ever happened.
I think this is an issue of plot vs an issue of character. The Normandy crash site DLC was added for some nostalgia experience without consideration for the overall implications that it had about the Alliance's, Turians's, ME1 squadmates', etc., mainly that they were really dumb to leave the wreckage there so Shepard could have a flashback DLC experience.
There's just a lot of plotholes surrounding this DLC and I don't think anyone should read too far into them, because most likely the writers never considered them. The story never considers Shepard stupid or incompetent (quite the opposite, really) despite her taking those actions on a fairly regular basis.
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