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[Bob from Accounting]

Apparently, that's what people want. For pretty much every 'normal' conversation with their love interest to be replaced by a 'I love you' conversation. For the two to share a room. For events in the story to be influenced by the player's love interest (which I vehemently disagree with.)

[eyezonlyii]

Apparently, that's what people want. For pretty much every 'normal' conversation with their love interest to be replaced by a 'I love you' conversation. For the two to share a room. For events in the story to be influenced by the player's love interest (which I vehemently disagree with.)

Which is everyone's problem with Liara by the way. Ilos, the resurrection, the Crucible...you know the trilogy main points...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

When did I ever say such a thing?

 

But in a sense, that's more or less true. Liara herself never kills an innocent, but she does build up a facade that becomes accepting of it by ME 2. Not something I approve of, but thankfully, neither does Shepard. Who explicitly calls her out on it several times.

 

And yes, the facade collapses at the end of LotSB.
 

 

What are you talking about? My Shepard shot an innocent to disarm Vasir. In fact, he willingly and callously allows innocents to die on Zorya. He willingly lets innocents die on X57. He willingly kills innocents on Feros when he even has an alternative not to kill them. 

[KaiserShep]

You're going to have to learn to deal with the plain and simple fact that the developers aren't going to give you an entire new relationship with a character because you romance them. Much of the dialogue is going to the same, and that's really just the end of it.

 

 

I think the dialogue on the Citadel with Liara should have varied more, especially if you established a romance since ME1.

 

"I'd like to be more than friends."

 

"Coulda sworn you made this clear at the Shadow Broker's base."

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You can 'head-canon' whatever fantasy you like. But surely you understand why you can't expect BioWare to accommodate that?

 

But Bioware had "What about us?" paragon interrupts in LotSB. And you don't have to chastise her for being driven and callous in LotSB, or wasn't that heroic enough? Then the invite to dinner and the blue babies thing, David. What are you not getting? Then at the start of ME3 there's a conversation in Liara's quarters, "Shall we pick up where we left off?" "Yes." That implies an ongoing imported relationship, then suddenly after that conversation Bioware friendzones you. It makes absolutely no sense, and that is bad writing. 

 

But you'll say, "head canon, and they can't accommodate you." I say bull****. If you're not going to accommodate a player, don't put that kind of conversation in the game.

 

Another example of bad writing is on Thessia. Her home world is being attacked and she can't be angry enough to kill the enemy? It's too callous all of a sudden. Yet she executed two Cerberus soldiers in the beginning? Or were they making her back into the innocent virginal type for the love scene? FFS, can't they have a love scene between two people who've been through the ravages of war and who know they've had to be ruthless to win it? Or isn't that "heroic enough?" There is such a thing as a pragmatic hero.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Apparently, that's what people want. For pretty much every 'normal' conversation with their love interest to be replaced by a 'I love you' conversation. For the two to share a room. For events in the story to be influenced by the player's love interest (which I vehemently disagree with.)

 

Well, since it's what people want, shouldn't it be what people get? You're in the minority on this issue.

[eyezonlyii]

What are you talking about? My Shepard shot an innocent to disarm Vasir. In fact, he willingly and callously allows innocents to die on Zorya. He willingly lets innocents die on X57. He willingly kills innocents on Feros when he even has an alternative not to kill them.

Doesn't count. non paragon Shepards aren't [Bob's] concern.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Liara had built up a facade of coldness by ME 2 which collapses at the conclusion of Lair of the Shadow Broker, where she has a catharsis. Hence the crying.

 

Shows me that she doesn't have the cruel brutality to do what she does.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Doesn't count. non paragon Shepards aren't [Bob's] concern.

 

I know. I guess I shouldn't complain too much at your ideal: I more or less discount mindless paragons (even if I'm just as repulsed by senseless renegade actions that don't help your goal.)

 

I support unfettered, machiavellian (by Prince standards anyway), consequentialist, practical true neutrals or lawful evils.

[KaiserShep]

Like the SCCCHHTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE bug?

 

It's not a bug; it's a feature.

 

*cue companion scream*

 

[CronoDragoon]

Shows me that she doesn't have the cruel brutality to do what she does.

 

As someone who likes Liara, I agree. I don't see her remaining the Shadow Broker post-ME3. It's understandable during the war that all her agents and all the organizations that deal with the Broker are willing to focus on the war, but post-war there's going to be a lot of chaos - and probably profit - to be had. What happens when her idealism starts conflicting with said profits?

 

Not that she would need to be forced out. She said she became the Broker to help Shepard. Well, that's pretty much over now. She's going to go write a book with Javik or something, last I heard.

[Nightwriter]

Annoying though it is, I'm inclined to think Mshep's greeting for Liara is a bug. MShep has two very distivt ways of greeting Tali when you first meet her. If you romanced her, he simply says her name in the same awed voice he uses for Liara on Mars. If he didn't romance her, he just says something casual along the lines of "Glad you could make it, Tali." I think MShep (and possibly FShep) uses the Liaramance greeting every time.

 

Why does she have so many romance bugs?

 

- Import flags appear switched on Mars

- Aethyta thought unromanced Shepard was in a relationship with Liara

- Liara appeared in Shepard's final moments flashback pre-EC (if not a bug, at least an oversight)

- Liara flirted with my unromanced Shepard in the Citadel DLC

- Etc

[Bob from Accounting]

It's rather rare for audiences to have much of a technical understanding at all of what's 'good.'

 

So no, often times the 'suggestions' should be completely ignored.

[KaiserShep]

Why does she have so many romance bugs?

 

A biotic did it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As someone who likes Liara, I agree. I don't see her remaining the Shadow Broker post-ME3. It's understandable during the war that all her agents and all the organizations that deal with the Broker are willing to focus on the war, but post-war there's going to be a lot of chaos - and probably profit - to be had. What happens when her idealism starts conflicting with said profits?

 

Not that she would need to be forced out. She said she became the Broker to help Shepard. Well, that's pretty much over now. She's going to go write a book with Javik or something, last I heard.

 

Yeah, that's what I have happening in my post-ending. She cedes all of her SB assets to Miranda and goes back to her solitary existence as a recluse. Maybe she'll find what she's looking for, maybe she'll find what she needs. Who knows. But she's just not mentally cut out for the occupation she does.

[CronoDragoon]

Why does she have so many romance bugs?

 

I also think that on the Citadel regular romancers get the "friends at the beginning of ME3 turning into romance" dialogue which explains the "wanting more than friends" line.

 

 

 

- Liara appeared in Shepard's final moments flashback pre-EC (if not a bug, at least an oversight)

 

Datamining revealed the only flashback vids in the game were for Liara and the two VS, so unfortunately not a bug.

[themikefest]

Apparently, that's what people want. For pretty much every 'normal' conversation with their love interest to be replaced by a 'I love you' conversation. For the two to share a room. For events in the story to be influenced by the player's love interest (which I vehemently disagree with.)

I would've like to hear femshep say I love you to Samantha when Sam says it. I like to of bought her the toothbrush. I would like to of had a scene with Sam and femshep on the Citadel together. I would like to have a paragon interrupt to give Traynor a hug after Horizon. That was her home. For me to get extra I had to pay $14.99 for a dlc.

 

The folks who romance Miranda or Jack got it worst in ME3. They had very little content unless they purchase the Citadel dlc.

 

I don't have problem with people asking for what they want. Why do you?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It's rather rare for audiences to have much of a technical understanding at all of what's 'good.'

 

So no, often times the 'suggestions' should be completely ignored.

 

That's great. In which case, the people ignoring the audiences wishes should be completely ignored as well. They really don't know better. You really don't know better. 

 

Replace them with people who can change the technical understanding of 'good' to something that is to the satisfaction of both the audience and the creators.

 

Meanwhile the others die out.

 

And here's where he tells me why his standards are absolute:

[Bob from Accounting]

I do know better.

[FlyingSquirrel]

All the other romance options in the series ask for Shepard to work at building a relationship with them. Liara throws her interest at Shepard, and repeatedly so. If you're doing a full trilogy run, and you turn her down in 1, she's still holding a torch for Shepard by the time of 3. While we can turn her down, we can do nothing to have Shepard dislodged from that pedestal in her eyes.

 

I don't know, I think the putting-Shepard-on-a-pedestal is overdone for a number of squadmates. Samara and Thane both do it in talking about how they could not imagine confiding their issues in anyone other than Shepard. Tali has a sort of hero-worship thing going on, and to some extent Garrus does too. Miranda has that conversation where she talks about how she doesn't have the leadership skills that Shepard does. Kaidan says during Priority: Earth that his life would never have been as interesting without Shepard's influence.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I do know better.

 

No, you really don't. You have provided no credible qualifications, no credible evidence, and very, very few good ideas.

 

To say otherwise simply highlights to people how full of yourself you are.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't know, I think the putting-Shepard-on-a-pedestal is overdone for a number of squadmates. Samara and Thane both do it in talking about how they could not imagine confiding their issues in anyone other than Shepard. Tali has a sort of hero-worship thing going on, and to some extent Garrus does too. Miranda has that conversation where she talks about how she doesn't have the leadership skills that Shepard does. Kaidan says during Priority: Earth that his life would never have been as interesting without Shepard's influence.

 

So Kaidan finally admits he's as boring as a tree stump? It's the The Cult of Shepard.... Tell me another story about The Shepard. It's getting late, but alright, one more story.

[Supreme6789]

She's garbage her voice pissed me of and her face reaction  think about this she's a gold digger she really dosent care about you so much until you mention the vision.Now she hooked to you:) http://youtu.be/Ys4sHKj6nAE?t=5m12s proof she dosent know jack crap, and she winning like a little baby this is how you play  also wtf is she even in the games apart her being a romance option or the two fingers expert.take that away then what she sucks at combat low health  and thats why bioware made her the shadow broker which is just straight up bull.So now people won't say whats her f***ing purpose.shes the only alien to romance in me 1 thats why most people picked.screw the asari they suck damn this character got on my nerve.

credit goes to Christopher phoenix youtube channel 

[eyezonlyii]

I don't know, I think the putting-Shepard-on-a-pedestal is overdone for a number of squadmates. Samara and Thane both do it in talking about how they could not imagine confiding their issues in anyone other than Shepard. Tali has a sort of hero-worship thing going on, and to some extent Garrus does too. Miranda has that conversation where she talks about how she doesn't have the leadership skills that Shepard does. Kaidan says during Priority: Earth that his life would never have been as interesting without Shepard's influence.

Some of those aren't really pedestals.

 

Miranda is making an observation. She doesn't have the leadership capabilities, but Shepard wouldn't have the operational capabilities to run a cell on the scale of Lazarus, so it's a trade off.

 

Kaidan's life probably wouldn't have been as interesting. Maybe he still would have taught a biotic spec ops group, but that's nothing compared to chasing down Saren and the Reapers/

 

Garrus I think is just cool with having someone in a position of power who understands that sometimes things need to be done outside the lines (unfortunately, my efforts to show him that you could still do your job within the law were ignored come ME2).

[eyezonlyii]

So Kaidan finally admits he's as boring as a tree stump? It's the The Cult of Shepard.... Tell me another story about The Shepard. It's getting late, but alright, one more story.

 

Kaidan could have been more interesting had they went into his past a bit more. I like that he is well adjusted and (thank the Maker) that you don't really have to do loyalty missions in the first one, but I would have liked him to open up more about it. I honestly liked Jacob too, maybe it's just my taste in low-key guys? *shrug*