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[von uber]

She's garbage her voice pissed me of and her face reaction  think about this she's a gold digger she really dosent care about you so much until you mention the vision.Now she hooked to you:) http://youtu.be/Ys4sHKj6nAE?t=5m12s proof she dosent know jack crap, and she winning like a little baby this is how you play  also wtf is she even in the games apart her being a romance option or the two fingers expert.take that away then what she sucks at combat low health  and thats why bioware made her the shadow broker which is just straight up bull.So now people won't say whats her f***ing purpose.shes the only alien to romance in me 1 thats why most people picked.screw the asari they suck damn this character got on my nerve.

 

U wot m8?

 

Even Liara doesn't understand your post.

 

[von uber]

I think it's because the flaws of the other species are confronted in the narrative.

Turian bomb on Tuchanka
Quarian/Geth war (as scrubbed as the presentation is)
Humanity and Cerberus
Protheans and Empire
Salarians and Genophage
Krogan are a walking example

 Possibly, but Asari flaws are present in most of the characters you meet, and during Thessia you get a really good deconstruction of them (as well as the whole Monastery thing).

Apologising to Tevos is a bit odd i agree, it would've been better if it was a scene more like the locker scene in ME1.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Why not punish the Alliance for starting Cerberus as a black-ops group? They did FAR more damage than the Asari withholding a single Prothean beacon. 

[eyezonlyii]

Possibly, but Asari flaws are present in most of the characters you meet, and during Thessia you get a really good deconstruction of them (as well as the whole Monastery thing).
Apologising to Tevos is a bit odd i agree, it would've been better if it was a scene more like the locker scene in ME1.

I see what you're saying about the flaws being in the characters, that's the problem: it's too subtle a presentation for the amount of time you (don't) spend with various cultures. Every other race has a drawback that is front and center to the war, however the only explicit way the Asari are brought up is a conversation with Liara's father, and one liners from the Crew on Thessia.

[DeinonSlayer]

She's garbage her voice pissed me of and her face reaction  think about this she's a gold digger she really dosent care about you so much until you mention the vision.Now she hooked to you:) http://youtu.be/Ys4sHKj6nAE?t=5m12s proof she dosent know jack crap, and she winning like a little baby this is how you play  also wtf is she even in the games apart her being a romance option or the two fingers expert.take that away then what she sucks at combat low health  and thats why bioware made her the shadow broker which is just straight up bull.So now people won't say whats her f***ing purpose.shes the only alien to romance in me 1 thats why most people picked.screw the asari they suck damn this character got on my nerve.

 

 

You mad, bro?

[rekn2]

That's great. In which case, the people ignoring the audiences wishes should be completely ignored as well. They really don't know better. You really don't know better. 

 

Replace them with people who can change the technical understanding of 'good' to something that is to the satisfaction of both the audience and the creators.

 

Meanwhile the others die out.

 

And here's where he tells me why his standards are absolute:

i dont think he understands that you just explained how bussiness and free enterprise works.

[Barquiel]

I really don't know what's so hard to understand.

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready."

According to Hackett they finished the crucible by the time you attack Cronos Station (except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess). Yes, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol (if we assume the scientists working on the crucible would have somehow activated the beacon without Shepard), and that would have been then only difference.

Tevos explicitly says she was just informed -> Shepards squadmates discuss the beacon when you enter the temple (you can side with Liara or not) -> then we learn that the Cipher was a requirement to activate the beacon -> people stop blaming the asari (let alone Tevos)

The situation isn't even similar to Rannoch or Tuchanka.

[von uber]

I see what you're saying about the flaws being in the characters, that's the problem: it's too subtle a presentation for the amount of time you (don't) spend with various cultures. Every other race has a drawback that is front and center to the war, however the only explicit way the Asari are brought up is a conversation with Liara's father, and one liners from the Crew on Thessia.

 

True; until Thessia. The problem is, what drawback would they have whcih sets them apart form the other races?

The speed of the fall of Thessia due to their lack of unity as a political body 9incontrast to the Turians for example) and short-sightedness on their military (as outlined by Aethyta), and the revelation over them being uplifted and reliant on Prothean / reaper tech is their flaw. It's just that they tied Vendetta into it also, and people get wound up over it thinking that if it had occurred sooner then it's all sunshine and rainbows, despite Vendetta explicitly telling them it would make no difference until the Crucible was finished.

Regards Shiala, she could be dead in ME1 so you can't rely on her.... of course, Liara could've had the cipher too...

[rekn2]

the only thing i dont like about liara is how they changed her fro me1. i was ok with the nerdy/scientist/neckbeard social quarks.

 

i couldve swore that i read walters didnt know how to write miranda yet he kind of gave liara everything he could have given miranda. i think being the SB was right up mirandas alley. i would trust her more, in that position, then liara. i also see miranda taking her spot in me3 ( though i dont agree with forcing her upon others). i get how miranda interest is not for everyone. some people dont know how to handle beautiful/ intelligent women and im fine with that.

 

im just irritated by the whole thing.

[DeinonSlayer]

I really don't know what's so hard to understand.

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready."

According to Hackett they finished the crucible by the time you attack Cronos Station (except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess). Yes, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol (if we assume the scientists working on the crucible would have somehow activated the beacon without Shepard), and that would have been then only difference.

Tevos explicitly says she was just informed -> Shepards squadmates discuss the beacon when you enter the temple (you can side with Liara or not) -> then we learn that the Cipher was a requirement to activate the beacon -> people stop blaming the asari (let alone Tevos)

The situation isn't even similar to Rannoch or Tuchanka.

Shiala (the real war asset) plucked off Feros -> Shiala shares the Cipher with any Crucible scientist who needs to read something Prothean -> Dozens of candidates now available to potentially activate the beacon (guaranteed to be an object of study)
 
Beacon revealed early, just another potentially helpful Prothean artifact -> Beacon removed from Thessia -> Cerberus doesn't capture Vendetta -> TIM doesn't tattle to the Reapers -> Crucible docked with Citadel, war ends without a final climactic space battle.
 
Yes, maybe certain Matriarchs would have taken a pounding come election season. Maybe. I suspect the Asari themselves would be far less offended by it than everyone else. Maybe they'd have to deal with some blowback for hoarding Prothean technology while treating anyone else who does so as criminals. Somehow, I suspect the galaxy would have survived it.

[themikefest]

How is it that your squadmates can understand what Vendetta is saying when they couldn't understand the hologram before talking with Vigil? Did Vendetta some how translate its output into a format for everyone to understand?

[von uber]

 

some people dont know how to handle beautiful/ intelligent women and im fine with that.

 

Maybe, but you were talking about Miranda?

 

[DeinonSlayer]

How is it that your squadmates can understand what Vendetta is saying when they couldn't understand the hologram before talking with Vigil? Did Vendetta some how translate its output into a format for everyone to understand?

Imma gonna go with

[eyezonlyii]

I really don't know what's so hard to understand.

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready."

According to Hackett they finished the crucible by the time you attack Cronos Station (except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess). Yes, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol (if we assume the scientists working on the crucible would have somehow activated the beacon without Shepard), and that would have been then only difference.

Tevos explicitly says she was just informed -> Shepards squadmates discuss the beacon when you enter the temple (you can side with Liara or not) -> then we learn that the Cipher was a requirement to activate the beacon -> people stop blaming the asari (let alone Tevos)

The situation isn't even similar to Rannoch or Tuchanka.

I for one am not arguing about what was presented in the game, I'm arguing about HOW it was presented. These are all good points, but they are all written in such a way to absolve the Asari in general of any wrongdoing for hoarding the beacon in the first place. It's agaist Council law to hold withold Prothean tech, unless the Asari because conveniently, their beacon couldn't fully activate until the day of reckoning when the stars aligned and this needle in a haystack superweapon was built on the eve of the galaxy's destruction. 

[eyezonlyii]

the only thing i dont like about liara is how they changed her fro me1. i was ok with the nerdy/scientist/neckbeard social quarks.

 

i couldve swore that i read walters didnt know how to write miranda yet he kind of gave liara everything he could have given miranda. i think being the SB was right up mirandas alley. i would trust her more, in that position, then liara. i also see miranda taking her spot in me3 ( though i dont agree with forcing her upon others). i get how miranda interest is not for everyone. some people dont know how to handle beautiful/ intelligent women and im fine with that.

 

im just irritated by the whole thing.

 

the only thing i dont like about liara is how they changed her fro me1. i was ok with the nerdy/scientist/neckbeard social quarks.

 

i couldve swore that i read walters didnt know how to write miranda yet he kind of gave liara everything he could have given miranda. i think being the SB was right up mirandas alley. i would trust her more, in that position, then liara. i also see miranda taking her spot in me3 ( though i dont agree with forcing her upon others). i get how miranda interest is not for everyone. some people dont know how to handle beautiful/ intelligent women and im fine with that.

 

im just irritated by the whole thing.

For some reason I can't like your post, so I'm qouting it mmkay?

[rekn2]

Maybe, but you were talking about Miranda?

 

should have said and/or. my bad

[Supreme6789]

U wot m8?

 

Even Liara doesn't understand your post.

 

 

i  speak the truth sometimes its hard to realize the truth ,don't worry it well be clear in time. 

Your Shepard is an ass.

 

not really I'm just glad i won't be seeing this face in the next game.That face makes me laugh 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I think it's because the flaws of the other species are confronted in the narrative.

Turian bomb on Tuchanka
Quarian/Geth war (as scrubbed as the presentation is)
Humanity and Cerberus
Protheans and Empire
Salarians and Genophage
Krogan are a walking example

 

I really have to say, even then, those are only flaws depending on how you view them. 

 

The Turian bomb was perfectly justified in my opinion. Yeah, the Geth/Quarian War was a terrible shame, and I'd put it more on the Quarians than anything. Cerberus is what I believe is the pride of humanity. The Prothean Empire wasn't a problem so much as the homogenous nature of it was. Same with the Turians, the Genophage is perfectly justified in my opinion. And the entire Krogan race is a shame. 

 

But yes, the narrative was rather reluctant to provide any flaws for the Asari, the only major race not to have some kind of extreme negativity placed on it.

[eyezonlyii]

If all of the leading ladies can come together and dance under a waterfall, then maybe we should too...

 

http://youtu.be/QPTB-NW8OHs

[Darks1d3]

@ ghost I think Von was referring to all the grammatical errors and run on sentences in your post.

[themikefest]

If all of the leading ladies can come together and dance under a waterfall, then maybe we should too...

 

http://youtu.be/QPTB-NW8OHs

The problem I have with that video is Samantha isn't in it.

[eyezonlyii]

I really have to say, even then, those are only flaws depending on how you view them. 

 

The Turian bomb was perfectly justified in my opinion. Yeah, the Geth/Quarian War was a terrible shame, and I'd put it more on the Quarians than anything. Cerberus is what I believe is the pride of humanity. The Prothean Empire wasn't a problem so much as the homogenous nature of it was. Same with the Turians, the Genophage is perfectly justified in my opinion. And the entire Krogan race is a shame. 

 

But yes, the narrative was rather reluctant to provide any flaws for the Asari, the only major race not to have some kind of extreme negativity placed on it.

Oh I agree with you on most points (minus Cerberus. I just can't reconcile ME Cerberus with ME2 Cerberus. I think I'll headcanon from now on that they are just two separate organizations who just happen to share a name).

[eyezonlyii]

The problem I have with that video is Samantha isn't in it.

I want one with the guys 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I really don't know what's so hard to understand.

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready."

According to Hackett they finished the crucible by the time you attack Cronos Station (except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess). Yes, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol (if we assume the scientists working on the crucible would have somehow activated the beacon without Shepard), and that would have been then only difference.

Tevos explicitly says she was just informed -> Shepards squadmates discuss the beacon when you enter the temple (you can side with Liara or not) -> then we learn that the Cipher was a requirement to activate the beacon -> people stop blaming the asari (let alone Tevos)

The situation isn't even similar to Rannoch or Tuchanka.

 

If the Asari told Shepard and friends sooner the temple could have been made more secure or Vendetta could have been moved to a safer location, like how Kai Leng moved him to Cerberus HQ. Upon discovery of the Crucible requirement, Vendetta could have been moved to the still under construction Crucible to smooth things out or hacked like what Cerberus did.

 

At the end of the day the Asari government: 1) broke the Council law they themselves added, 2) because of this steps that could have been taken to secure Vendetta were never implemented. What make's this all frustrating is that it is heavily implied the Asari did this for purely political reasons when all the races are facing complete extinction. Sure maybe the Councilor is unaware of the beacon (although I have trouble believing that), but that does not excuse the Matriarchs or whomever was in charge of all this secrecy. What makes it worse is that Shepard is railroaded into being sad for the Asari when he had the option to be callous towards the other extinct or dwindling races he was involved with.

 

I'm a big fan of sentient, blue skinned, bipedals in the Mass Effect universe; but the Asari government is responsible for the crime of standing idle and letting politics dominate their course of action in ME3. It's frustrating that the Matriarchs are some how immune to Shepard calling them out on their crap like he can with every other dumb, self serving politician in this game; instead the only option we have is to feel varying degrees of deep sadness for them.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

How is it that your squadmates can understand what Vendetta is saying when they couldn't understand the hologram before talking with Vigil? Did Vendetta some how translate its output into a format for everyone to understand?

 

It learned Asari. Asari gets translated by your translator implants. But then every one in the galaxy knows standard English. Watch their lips. How does the Asari speaking on her communication device know perfect English? Or the Turian? for that matter? It's standard sci-fi fare.