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[Nocte ad Mortem]

We know in Inquisition we'll be getting different race choices back again. Do you think we'll be able to somewhat identify with the religions most commonly related to the race we choose, or will we default to identifying with the Chantry, based on the position we'll all be starting in as the Inquisitioner? 

 

While I'm willing to accept it, personally, I'd rather not get pigeonholed into only accepting the Chantry as correct in their beliefs. Ideally, I think it would be nice if we could express belief that probably nobody has it quite right. I realize the "atheist" concept was nixed, but that's not what I'm suggesting. That's bringing real world belief systems into an imaginary world by name. I'm not against the idea of a person saying they don't believe in any gods in game, but that's not what I personally want, either. Thedas isn't the real world, there's a lot more concrete evidence there that there's something to some of these beliefs. However, I think people have likely corrupted the truth to fit their own agendas and I think it would be nice if we could eventually express as much. I would love to play my Inquisitioner as a jaded skeptic.

 

How do you guys feel about the religions of Thedas and how would you like to represent your beliefs in character?

[Lillian]

Well, I think that the Andrastian Chantry, White and Imperial, have construed Andraste, her image, and her struggle for freedom. She was an enslaved woman who defied her masters and freed so many only to have her disciples practically enslave the children of those she freed years later.

When I tested out what would happen by tainting her ashes, originally it was such an evil thing to do. I thought that I had desecrated her memory. Later, however, a part of me realized that her ashes had been tainted long before I set foot on that mountain. It's sad to see that her most devout followers endorse the very notions she set out to destroy.

My character... Probably as sassy and sarcastic as can be, out to just ignore the subject entirely.

[Enshaid]

Personally, the Andrastian Chantry bears too close a resemblance to a certain real world religion I have issues with for me to be comfortable with it. I know I shouldn't let my real life experiences affect my in-game roleplaying, but they do. Not that it much matters. In universe, even if any of the gods exist they've left anyway. Old Gods are asleep (those who haven't been tainted), the elven gods were tricked and imprisoned, and the Maker just left because He's kind of the worst dad ever. So from a roleplay stand point it's pretty easy to say "Who cares?". 

[Lillian]

Let us worship dragons, and forever find warmth in their fire- Or death. I can never remember.

[Friera]

I don´t like relgion in general... I find those most relgisious characters in the DA universe very annoying, like Leliana and Sebastian. Nagging that "everything is the will of the Maker". Jiz.

[Enshaid]

Let us worship dragons, and forever find warmth in their fire- Or death. I can never remember.

Now dragon worship. That's something I can get behind. Sure, they're pretty much just giant flying lizards that breathe fire. But at least they were there. You were never there, dad. 

I just realized that Andrastians are essentially deists with daddy issues.

[dgcatanisiri]

The Chantry and the Qun are both too oppressive for me - both say that their purpose is to convert all to their beliefs. My opinion has always been 'I don't care who or what you worship so long as you respect others and their beliefs.' And both are more than willing to go to war over how 'right' their beliefs are, enforcing their beliefs at the tip of a sword. So I'm hoping that, even if we're called upon to work with the Chantry, we don't have to agree with it.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think it's safe to assume we'll have the same range of options we had in DAO - humans can believe in the Chantry, Dalish elves can express belief in the creators, and dwarves in the Stone and the ancestors. On the other hand you also had the option to express scepticism or doubt. I don't think it will be any different in DAI.

 

What I'm most interested to find out is if the Vashoth Inquisitor has been raised with any religious framework at all.

[Xilizhra]

I personally find the doctrine of the Imperial Chantry to be noticeably more palatable than the Andrastian one.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The comparisons of the Andrastrian Chantry to Christianity make me think of the Imperial Chantry as Judaism and that's.. I don't know how to feel about that in context. Haha. 

[Ophir147]

Let me start off by saying that the internet is a very one-sided arena to discuss such a thing , BSN even more so.

 

But I'd like to say that, while I find many things about Thedosian religion hard to swallow, there are many things that I cannot simply "understand" from my real-life human standpoint colored by bias, preconceptions and prejudices, and the Chantry is one of the most interesting and well-thought out fantasy religions I've ever come across, with dogma arising from precise moments and history because of certain aspects of the world (magic, demons, darkspawn).

 

And last, that faith is an incredibly powerful and uplifting thing, and sometimes (especially in a world as crazy as Thedas) the only real thing that you have.

[Enshaid]

The comparisons of the Andrastrian Chantry to Christianity make me think of the Imperial Chantry as Judaism and that's.. I don't know how to feel about that in context. Haha. 

I believe it's more Andrastian=Catholic, Imperial=Orthodox.

 

"Modern" Tevinter is basically the Byzantine empire.

[Xilizhra]

Let me start off by saying that the internet is a very one-sided arena to discuss such a thing , BSN even more so.

 

But I'd like to say that, while I find many things about Thedosian religion hard to swallow, there are many things that I cannot simply "understand" from my real-life human standpoint colored by bias, preconceptions and prejudices, and the Chantry is one of the most interesting and well-thought out fantasy religions I've ever come across, with dogma arising from precise moments and history because of certain aspects of the world (magic, demons, darkspawn).

 

And last, that faith is an incredibly powerful and uplifting thing, and sometimes (especially in a world as crazy as Thedas) the only real thing that you have.

Faith can be uplifting. It can also make use of only your basest instincts and drag you down into a violent abyss.

[Ophir147]

Faith can be uplifting. It can also make use of only your basest instincts and drag you down into a violent abyss.

 

No more so than abject cynicism and despair.

[KaiserShep]

I find them pretty fascinating. There's a lot of lore/detailing that makes the universe seem so much more grounded. That said, I'd like my Inquisitor to be able to want nothing to do with any of them.

[Xilizhra]

No more so than abject cynicism and despair.

That's bad for the individual, but abject cynicism less often leads one to acts of violence and extremism.

[Lambdadelta]

I find a lot of the religions extremely interesting from a pure worldbuilding and writing standpoint because of how detailed and complex the lore on them is and the history is just fascinating. In particular, I am very interested in the pantheon of the Creators personally, if only because I really like mythology. But while my Inquisitor's stance will vary depending on their background, race and how I will choose to play them, I personally find the Andrastian Chantry a really, really awful, oppressive institution. I don't think there's any religions I have very strong opinions on aside of that. Except the Qun, but my feelings on the Qun are... really complicated. 

 

I believe it's more Andrastian=Catholic, Imperial=Orthodox.

 

"Modern" Tevinter is basically the Byzantine empire.

 

Yeah, this is how I see it too. I don't think Thedas has an equivalent for Judaism. (We have the city elves as clear fantasy counterparts to the Jewish people, but of the purely non-religious kind.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I believe it's more Andrastian=Catholic, Imperial=Orthodox.

 

"Modern" Tevinter is basically the Byzantine empire.

Well, I'm basing this on the fact that the Imperial Chantry doesn't accept Andrastre as being divine and do not worship her. She's basically fantasy Jesus in this context. So, to me, it seems more like a Christianity/Judaism relationship. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, this is how I see it too. I don't think Thedas has an equivalent for Judaism. (We have the city elves as clear fantasy counterparts to the Jewish people, but of the purely non-religious kind.)

I always saw the elves, generally, as being basically fantasy Roma. Like the Quarians in Mass Effect were basically space Roma.

[wright1978]

i find the Qun completely unpalatable with the Chantry not far behind. So the first Inquisitor i roleplay will likely straddle the line between antipathy with these major religions but pragmatism that the crisis is more important than personal antipathy.

 

I'd prefer my elvish inquisitor to be an outcast that pays respect to Fen'harel, the dread wolf as i always liked that he outfoxed the rest of the elven pantheon.

[Vulpe]

I believe it's more Andrastian=Catholic, Imperial=Orthodox.

 

"Modern" Tevinter is basically the Byzantine empire.

 

Yes and no. Indeed, Tevinter Andrastianism is not quite as strict when it comes to magic and didn't start any holy war from what I know, but they are the splinter group from the original belief.

 

In RL catholic christianity is the younger branch. In the end they are actually a mix.

[Enshaid]

Yes and no. Indeed, Tevinter Andrastianism is not quite as strict when it comes to magic and didn't start any holy war from what I know, but they are the splinter group from the original belief.

 

In RL catholic christianity is the younger branch. In the end they are actually a mix.

I didn't say it was perfect analogy. It's just the one that best represents the political and ideological interplay between the two. Eastern Orthodoxy and Islam, Tevinter and the Qunari. Schism and.. well Schism. The fact that the ancient Imperium is Thedas's best analogue for the Roman empire helps the Byzantine comparison as well. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I feel like the religions are probably inspired, in part, by several different real world groups. It's probably not best to conflate them with real world religions and the minority groups related to them. Ends up with a lot of probably unintended implications. I shouldn't have started it. lol 

[Lotion Soronarr]

That's bad for the individual, but abject cynicism less often leads one to acts of violence and extremism.

 

All ideals can lead to violence and extremism.

Ya know..like a "mage freedom" ideal.
 

[Xilizhra]

All ideals can lead to violence and extremism.

Ya know..like a "mage freedom" ideal.
 

Indeed they can. Of course, sometimes it's the only viable option.