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[Master Warder Z_]

In truth, it goes with any organized anything really. Governments, workplaces, communities, etc.

 

I wasn't being that broad in spectrum but basically.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wasn't being that broad in spectrum but basically.

I know. I was just going that broad to avoid even the possibility of religion bashing. 

[wcholcombe]

I know. I was just going that broad to avoid even the possibility of religion bashing.

Point I was going for was the idiocy of holding the chantry up as THE HORRIBLE HYPOCRITICAL RELIGION.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Point I was going for was the idiocy of holding the chantry up as THE HORRIBLE HYPOCRITICAL RELIGION.

Agreed. 

[LobselVith8]

Makes no sense, but yeah its confirmed.

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You and I may finally agree on something. I really don't see how that can even mesh with how dragon cults operate in unison with their dragons.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You and I may finally agree on something. I really don't see how that can even mesh with how dragon cults operate in unison with their dragons.

Hey, it worked in How To Train Your Dragon.

[Hellion Rex]

Makes no sense, but yeah its confirmed.

 

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I thought they were semi-sentient creatures, but Gaider just said that they couldn't talk.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hey, it worked in How To Train Your Dragon.

 

Those dragons for the most part are just scale ridden puppies not the creatures of Myth or Terror ridden legend.

[wcholcombe]

You and I may finally agree on something. I really don't see how that can even mesh with how dragon cults operate in unison with their dragons.

I read something official somewhere likening the dragon/cultist relationship to a shark/remora relationship.

[Hellion Rex]

Those dragons for the most part are just scale ridden puppies not the creatures of Myth or Terror ridden legend.

You mean just generic high dragons right? Not like that Queen in the comics, or the Old Gods.

[Master Warder Z_]

I read something official somewhere likening the dragon/cultist relationship to a shark/remora relationship.

 

The Shark doesn't need communicate to the Remora which of its young it can slay to be harvested for Blood, Nor does it need to grant permission for individual Reavers guard its lair.

 

Like i said animalistic symbiosis isn't comparable to running a ****ing cult.

[wcholcombe]

You mean just generic high dragons right? Not like that Queen in the comics, or the Old Gods.

Yes. What Queen are you referring to?

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean just generic high dragons right? Not like that Queen in the comics, or the Old Gods.

 

High Dragons yes.

[wcholcombe]

The Shark doesn't need communicate to the Remora which of its young it can slay to be harvested for Blood, Nor does it need to grant permission for individual Reavers guard its lair.

Like i said animalistic symbiosis isn't comparable to running a ****ing cult.

I don't recall anything about dragon cultist getting blood. What I have read is the dragon tolerates their existence in exchange said cultiat get protection.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't recall anything about dragon cultist getting blood. What I have read is the dragon tolerates their existence in exchange said cultiat get protection.

 

Reavers imbibe Draconic blood to become Reavers, Occasionally they use the Dragon's cousin the Wyvern, but the premise has been set that True Reavers use Dragon blood.

[wcholcombe]

Reavers imbibe Draconic blood to become Reavers, Occasionally they use the Dragon's cousin the Wyvern, but the premise has been set that True Reavers use Dragon blood.

Yeah saw that looking back at wiki.

[Faerlyte]

I don't like organized religion in any capacity. Spiritualism is an individual experience and I like it to stay that way. 

 

I'm overly fond of dragons, but choosing to have faith in somethings doesn't necessarily mean that you expect anything in return. It's a comfort to appreciate and believe in something that has meaning for you, whether it's real or not. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The reason the Chantry gets the most flack for being hypocritical is that we see them more than anyone else in game and they have the most power. It doesn't stick in mind when we see little of other beliefs and, when we do, it's often linked to their subjugation under the Chantry. They're not necessarily the "worst" in any objective sense. Who is the "worst" is entirely up to subjective opinion. To me, the Qun is the worst, but I know a lot of other people don't feel the same. I dislike both the Qun and the Chantry, though, because they have too militant of a stance against other belief sets. I'm not at all comfortable helping to keep an organization in power that, by nature, acts to hold back all other beliefs and ideals. I prefer the power be placed in secular hands with religious freedom to all, so long as their "freedom" doesn't impose on anyone else's. 

[Nyeredzi]

the regions of Thedas are the same, random environments, and cultures, that shouldn't even be in a place designed to be Europe

[Nocte ad Mortem]

the regions of Thedas are the same, random environments, and cultures, that shouldn't even be in a place designed to be Europe

Thedas isn't "designed to be Europe". It takes some influences from different cultures in real world history, but it's a completely fantasy world. It's not supposed to be Earth in any sense. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

I feel they are largely misunderstood. How people on these forums see the religions often has far more to do with their own biases and baggage than anything about the religion in question itself: a failure to distinguish from real world religions due to superficial similarities, a failure to distinguish religious doctrine from secular policies and motivations, a failure to distinguish members of a faith from the faith itself.

 

In general, I get the impression from these forums that many people feel that if X religion were destroyed and barred from practice, the evil's of mankind would greatly diminish and more people would become properly enlightened thinkers who agree with them.

 

Personally, I feel that's a confusion of correlation and causation that says more about the opponent of organized religion than the religion itself.

 

 

Past that, they're interesting enough I suppose. Andrastianism is probably one of the most ultimately beneficial social movements in Thedas despite its mixed history, and stands well in regards to many real-world religious and secular movements of similar scale. It's also the political movement I see as most likely to lead to something resembling western liberalism in the DA setting, capable of a pan-Thedasian liberalism rather than narrow factional self-interest. The Qunari, despite being more a philosophy, are both alien and interesting despite my personal issues with their tenants. The Elvish religion makes no differance to me one way or the other- my issues are with the Dalish culture that practices it, not the religion.

 

 

Dean, you Maginficent Bastard, you!

 

You have a talent for saying what I'm thinking, but putting it far better than I wold.

 

 

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1) The Exalted March on the Dales was in direct violation of Andraste's promise; the central figure of their religion promised the elves a homeland, and the Chantry betrayed that promise.[/quote]

 

I wouldn't say they betrayed that promise. They were given a homeland and they did live there for a long time.

Andraste never promised them that they would keep that land forver, regardless of what they did.

Let's not forget that the war wasn't Chantry vs. the Dales, but Orlais (and allies) vs. the Dales.

 

 

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3) We have so far seen a total of one dwarven cleric (Brother Burkel) and no elven ones. It appears non-humans are being kept out of the power structures of the Chantry.[/quote

 

DG confirms that there are elven priests and templars, as the Chantry is very open in that regard. We just haven't seen them in-game.

[Helios969]

I would love the opportunity to play a more devote character.  After everything DA2 threw at me I was ready to sign up with the Arishok to embrace the Qun.  It's interesting as in real life I'm agnostic and work in science...maybe that's why.  But that's the fun of role-playing.  Of course I could never really follow such blind, restrictive dogmas.

[Lillian]

Hmmm... Let's talk about the religion of the Dwarves, and their worship of the Paragons! It's definitely a very interesting concept, and one of the most interesting religions out there. People also seem to dismiss it slightly, or at least ignore it.

[Mistic]

Hmmm... Let's talk about the religion of the Dwarves, and their worship of the Paragons! It's definitely a very interesting concept, and one of the most interesting religions out there. People also seem to dismiss it slightly, or at least ignore it.

 

Agreed. But how would that work with a Dwarven Inquisitor? Surfacers are, according to their belief, rejected by the Stone, casteless, and only if they would perform extraordinary acts in behalf of the Orzammar Nobles the Stone could they end up becoming a Paragon, a living ancestor. Only Dwarves that join the Grey Wardens can retain their caste, but the Inquisition is not the Grey Wardens.

 

Or is it? What if the Inquisition performs an extraordinary favour to the Dwarves and they allow other Dwarves to join the organization? "Join" as in "join with the blessing of the ancestors", mind you.

[Lillian]

That's a very interesting thought, and perhaps it will take the Inquisitor being recognized as a Paragon for there to be a caste for Inquisition Dwarves... Or at least blessing/acceptance of them. I wouldn't doubt that a Dwarf Inquisitor would become a Paragon, if they saved Orzammar by sealing up a Veil tear.