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[Ieldra]

I recently replayed DA2, and once again became aware of why the arishok was a perfect antagonist for me.

 

I want antagonists I can respect, while finding motivation to fight them relentlessly. The arishok was a representative of the Qun, a philosophy which I dislike greatly. The point is, I may dislike it, but it is a rational philosophy. It emphasizes order at the expense of freedom to an unpleasant degree, but it is consistent and makes sense from a certain viewpoint. Those who hold it may have different priorities, but they aren't idiots, mindless fanatics or villains. 

 

I wonder: when the arishok said "your society is the disease", who didn't consider these words for a moment and thought there is a reasonable viewpoint from which he had a point? Nonetheless, the qunari society sacrifices too much in order to avoid the shortcomings of "ours", so in the end, he may have a point or not, he must be defeated.

 

Why is this important? Well, fighting people like Tarohne or Grace, or insane-Meredith, that doesn't make me feel like a hero. it makes me feel like an exterminator. Defeating an enemy who's honorable in his way, even if it's a way not quite compatible with mine, that's different. It makes the fight feel more meaningful....and in a certain hard-to-define way more satisfying. Perhaps "honorable" is indeed the word. 

 

So that's why I want more antagonists of the arishok's kind in DAI. I guess they're somewhat hard to pull off, but it is worth trying.  

 

[9TailsFox]

I agree I liked Arishok was one of best villain because he is not from villain from any point of morality he is good person even if I don't agree with Qun ideology. it would be nice to have more sane main opponents of interests.

[fchopin]

Yes, Arishok was probably the best part of DA2 and hope they can create another antagonist as good in DA:I.

[wright1978]

Agree the Arishok as a model of antagonist is much more satisfying. I still really wish Meredith had of been in a similar mold rather than crazy with a side order of loon.

[Xilizhra]

Agree the Arishok as a model of antagonist is much more satisfying. I still really wish Meredith had of been in a similar mold rather than crazy with a side order of loon.

The Arishok was kind of crazy too, or at least his actions in Demands of the Qun were far from rationally planned.

I don't disagree with the overall premise of the thread, however.

[9TailsFox]

The Arishok was kind of crazy too, or at least his actions in Demands of the Qun were far from rationally planned.

I don't disagree with the overall premise of the thread, however.

If you sit for years surrounded by idiots you would snap to 

[wright1978]

The Arishok was kind of crazy too, or at least his actions in Demands of the Qun were far from rationally planned.

I don't disagree with the overall premise of the thread, however.

 

I wouldn't consider him crazy at all, he's just extremely rigid which causes all the problems.

[Potato Cat]

I agree, he was a great antagonist. Though, as someone who actually does like the Qun, I think we should actually be given the choice of siding with an antagonist who is well reasoned, and whose actions could be argued are for the greater good, or at least given the option to vocally support their ideas and beliefs if they do go to far.

[TurretSyndrome]

A man with principles that he sticks to until the end, makes for a far better antagonist than one who is merely a maniac.

[Ieldra]

I agree, he was a great antagonist. Though, as someone who actually does like the Qun, I think we should actually be given the choice of siding with an antagonist who is well reasoned, and whose actions could be argued are for the greater good, or at least given the option to vocally support their ideas and beliefs if they do go to far.

His attack on Kirkwall wasn't exactly a demand of the Qun, as I understand it. He just lost patience. Also, don't you have the option to agree with him when he speaks about the shortcomings of your society, but try to dissuade him from attacking nonetheless? That's what I think someone sympathetic to the Qun who wanted to save the city would've done. Maybe an option to be more specific would've been desirable, but I found things open enough here. In a different situation with less unambiguously undesirable outcomes, yes, then it would make sense to be able to side with such a one.  

[KaiserShep]

I would say that his attack on Kirkwall was more than just a lack of patience. Converts were being murdered, as well as others under his command, including a delegate sent to the Viscount. The Arishok was right about him in that he was not a man worth respecting, because he could not control the fanatics and the rogue elements of both the Chantry and the city guard. In his place, I wouldn't either, and it was nice to see how he reacts to honesty. This is what I really love about the Arishok's character. He's a character I must clearly fight against, but I can't help but feel that in another setting, he would have been a great ally somehow, even if on less than friendly terms.

[Rawgrim]

The Arishok was probably the best part of the DA2 storyline.

[SerCambria358]

His attack on Kirkwall wasn't exactly a demand of the Qun, as I understand it. He just lost patience. Also, don't you have the option to agree with him when he speaks about the shortcomings of your society, but try to dissuade him from attacking nonetheless? That's what I think someone sympathetic to the Qun who wanted to save the city would've done. Maybe an option to be more specific would've been desirable, but I found things open enough here. In a different situation with less unambiguously undesirable outcomes, yes, then it would make sense to be able to side with such a one.  

The Qun demands submission and thats ultimately what he was going to do, take kirkwall and eventually convert them. Patience may have drove him to take actions sooner rather than later but we know eventually the qunari are going to try to convert thedas by force so him speading up the process wasnt outside of the demand if you think about it

[TataJojo]

Yeah, Augustine in the new Infamous is a good villain too once you learn why she is the "villain", I would like this kind of antagonist with which as a player it is possible to agree with her and question your previous actions instead of just "you're evil I'm gonna destroy you !"

[rocsage]

+1.

Rivals should be comparable; anything lesser is but an impediment to a greater path.

[Nefla]

Meh, I thought the Arishok was illogical and lazy. I didn't respect him at all.

[Eveangaline]

I too would love to fight more massive horny rogues.

[Maverick169]

The Arishok was definitely a highlight of the game. I like the Qun and agree with it to a large extent, and even though he tries to destroy the city there was never a point where I actually disliked him.