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[Aimi]

what about it?

In Henry IV, Part 1 and Henry IV, Part 2, Prince Harry, or "Hal", was a happy-go-lucky, fun-loving layabout who wasted away his time as a prince fooling around, hanging out with his loutish friend Sir John Falstaff, and otherwise being the exact picture of an irresponsible prince who didn't know what the hell he was doing. But there was character development! Late in the first play, Hal mans up and serves in the army fighting against the rebellion of Sir Henry Percy. He continues to take more and more responsibility over the course of the second play, until he finally becomes king. By Henry V, he has become an inspiring leader of men and an able general, responsible for some of the most memorable lines in any of Shakespeare's works (the St. Crispin's Day speech). Hal leads his army to victory over the Valois at Agincourt, and ultimately is crowned king not only of England but of France.

Shakespeare's depiction of Henry as having a 'riotous youth' doesn't necessarily square that well with the king's historical biography. That doesn't make it any less believable or effective as a story trope. If you're complaining that BioWare made Alistair's character development into a more or less competent monarch unrealistic and unbelievable, you are applying that same criticism to the greatest writer in the history of the English language for a device he employed in some of his best plays.

What about Alistair's conduct, precisely, makes it so hard to believe that he would be a good king, anyway?

[Wolfen09]

If you read the books, maric was just as bad.  well, at least when it came to nailing every woman in sight.  Everybody loved him as king, so why couldnt allistair be good?

[Master Warder Z_]

If you read the books, maric was just as bad.  well, at least when it came to nailing every woman in sight.  Everybody loved him as king, so why couldnt allistair be good?

 

He wasn't trained to be a ruler? Under him the Bannorn becomes independent of the King? And the Throne little more then a glided chair?

 

Honestly when you put him up there alone, Eamon is king, not Alistair.

[Jack Druthers]

Mind you to say that Eamon wouldn't have turned down knockiing boots with Anora just to keep Redcliffe or at least keep close to the throne. He was hovering about at the end of Blight celebrations motioning to her that her wanted a word.  Whether she would have paid attention to him is up for debate.

[Xetykins]

IF I remember correctly Maric only ever nailed 3. Katriel, Rowan and Fiona. Admittedly he fell in love with katriel while still bethrothed to Rowan. But Fiona was years after Rowan's death. Its been a while since I've read it though. He had to grow up fast during the rebellion and became well loved.

 

Maybe unheardened King Alistair could have that personal growth and more in DA;I, he had been through a blight after all and all the nasty politics prior. Who knows

[AresKeith]

He wasn't trained to be a ruler? Under him the Bannorn becomes independent of the King? And the Throne little more then a glided chair?

Honestly when you put him up there alone, Eamon is king, not Alistair.

Not entirely, a hardened Alistair looks to be better after becoming King

Then again my canon has him and Anora married

[Han Shot First]

That sucks.

 

I was kind of hoping Alistair wouldn't be returning. Oh well...I hope at least that we run into him in Ferelden rather than Orlais. Otherwise his cameos are going to start to feel forced. Why do we keep running into the King or King Consort of Ferelden (potentially) in nations other than Ferelden? 

[AresKeith]

That sucks.

I was kind of hoping Alistair wouldn't be returning. Oh well...I hope at least that we run into him in Ferelden rather than Orlais. Otherwise his cameos are going to start to feel forced. Why do we keep running into the King or King Consort of Ferelden (potentially) in nations other than Ferelden?

I'm pretty sure we'll meet him in Ferelden

[Althix]

 you are applying that same criticism to the greatest writer

am i now? good to know.

 

Well here is the thing. Henry was a prince. Alistair is a bastard. Henry was ... help me wikipedia... 12 years old. Alistair is a grown man, 20 years old.

Henry actually was a heir to the throne, and that is coming with pressure and responsibility. When Alistair always on second place behind the back of somebody.

 

I am sorry what did you said? You were comparing a human that was raised to be a king with some already adult guy with a father complex and unstable emotional state?

 

right.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Perhaps if one left him unhardened he should have been a weak king easily swayed by the warden, Anora, or Eamon, depending on who married who and became whose advisor.

[Althix]

Here is the thing. When you harden Alistair he can actually say no to you. Which is good, but price for that is too high. Execution of Loghain gives you nothing. It gives entire nation - nothing. Value of such action is close to zero, but even hardened Alistair is still an infant. Without any understanding of larger things.

 

If we could have the option to spare Loghain for the fight and execute or exile him after the battle, and such proposal would be the idea of Alistair (as a King) i would support him by all means. But nope - all he can care is to execute a man just because, neglecting combat experience of Loghain and his ability to lead the masses of people to the battle. Who cares right?

 

So as a warrior Alistair do not deserve to be decapitated by some peasant in a hood. He deserves a death duel no less. Watching him being drunk in DA2 is not fun either.

 

So yes it would be nice to see him in DAI, to see how things are. But i am not expecting much, i would rather see Anora instead. That woman is hard as nails.

[AresKeith]

@Althix and I'm sure if you made her Queen you'll see her too

[Xetykins]

Sparing logain gives you nothing too except for my buddy zevran's amusement. My warden and alistair and my crew ended the blight without logain. You must have a very weak warden to desperately need logain even after dodging left and right from his attempt to assassinate him. War hero though he may be and I liked him in the stolen throne. Even a bit of crush on him..ppfftt. But what he was before doesnt justify what he has become.

Come the landsmeet on my first play through I was tempted to let him live because of riordan, nothing more. But when I knew it would cost me Alistair who's been dodging assassination attempts with me since ostagar, I did not even bat an eyelash then its off with his head. Though I wish I did not have to do it in front of his daughter but thats how the game went down and theres nothing I can do about it.

But to keep on topic steve valentine might have been recording for inquisition but theres no formal announcement yet if its for alistair. Maybe he's just there for a portal demon va. Or even for sound effect for someone eating stinky cheeses. So you guys can smooth your hackles down.

And if its really for alistair, I wouldnt mind seeing him white streaked hair and on the way to his calling with my cousland, surana or amnell. As warden or king. As much as I love alistair to death I think I would rather have some closure than him doing silly cameos like in da2

[Clockwork_Wings]

IF I remember correctly Maric only ever nailed 3. Katriel, Rowan and Fiona. Admittedly he fell in love with katriel while still bethrothed to Rowan. But Fiona was years after Rowan's death. Its been a while since I've read it though. He had to grow up fast during the rebellion and became well loved.

 

Maybe unheardened King Alistair could have that personal growth and more in DA;I, he had been through a blight after all and all the nasty politics prior. Who knows

Was Katriel the maid, Goldanna's mother?  Haven't read it yet...although I was wondering if Fiona might have had a life before it was known she was a mage or became a warden.  Doubt it though. 

 

Just kinda feel bad if after all this, Goldanna isn't even Alistair's brother.

[LPPrince]

But to keep on topic steve valentine might have been recording for inquisition but theres no formal announcement yet if its for alistair. Maybe he's just there for a portal demon va. Or even for sound effect for someone eating stinky cheeses. So you guys can smooth your hackles down.

 

If you click the link in the OP, you'll notice that the Bioware post includes the hashtags #DragonAgeInquisition and #Alistair

 

I think its pretty much a foregone conclusion.

[Grieving Natashina]

If you click the link in the OP, you'll notice that the Bioware post includes the hashtags #DragonAgeInquisition and #Alistair

 

I think its pretty much a foregone conclusion.

There is also a Twitter picture floating around with Steve looking at the prompt.  On it, it says, "I honestly don't know" and the VA had a very serious look on his face.  Big or small, his cameo will mean something more than just him saying stuff like "Swooping is bad!  I love stinky cheese!  The old ball and chain!"

[Nashimura]

Fat drunken Alistair would be better

[Grieving Natashina]

Fat drunken Alistair would be better

For those that resigned him to that fate, sure.  However, it's been several years since Hawke ran into him at the Hanged Man.  He could have very well changed since then. For all we know, those that chose that route could see him as a Grey Warden again.

[Divine Justinia V]

There is also a Twitter picture floating around with Steve looking at the prompt.  On it, it says, "I honestly don't know" and the VA had a very serious look on his face.  Big or small, his cameo will mean something more than just him saying stuff like "Swooping is bad!  I love stinky cheese!  The old ball and chain!"

 

I don't understand why no one expected to see him, in [probably] quite more than a few playthroughs he was made King, considering the importance of this Inquisition - and our travels to Ferelden - how could we not?

[LobselVith8]

There is also a Twitter picture floating around with Steve looking at the prompt. On it, it says, "I honestly don't know" and the VA had a very serious look on his face. Big or small, his cameo will mean something more than just him saying stuff like "Swooping is bad! I love stinky cheese! The old ball and chain!"

If the Inquisitor is looking to set up a base of operations in Ferelden, it would make sense to meet the ruler of the kingdom.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Off in fantasyland where this is technologically and financially viable, I'd want to see a well-done, well-fleshed-out outcome for every decision.  Just because I didn't make it happen in Save File A doesn't mean I won't in Save File B.

 

Teagan seems to care a good deal for Alistair, asking about him in the chantry if one doesn't bring him to Redcliff.  It would be my guess Teagan is trying to sober him up and get him on his feet.  Even if Drunk Alistair isn't as important to the story as King or Warden Alistair, I still wanna see some indication that he became a wandering drunk.

[Nashimura]

For those that resigned him to that fate, sure.  However, it's been several years since Hawke ran into him at the Hanged Man.  He could have very well changed since then. For all we know, those that chose that route could see him as a Grey Warden again.

 

I gave him that fate... not purposelessly, better than letting him die. I wouldn't object to a cleaned up Alistair. 

[LPPrince]

I fully expect him cleaned up and portraying one of the other roles Alistair has depending on choices made, possibly with an extra line explaining that he was a drunkard before Teagan set him on the right path.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I fully expect him cleaned up and portraying one of the other roles Alistair has depending on choices made, possibly with an extra line explaining that he was a drunkard before Teagan set him on the right path.

I would dislike that, and I think so would most other people, filing it under the "it invalidates my choices" argument. 

 

I'd rather see him as a work in progress, sober enough to stand up on his own but still angry and jaded about the landsmeet and speaking badly of everyone and everything, hopefully with a bit more purpose and detail than, "Swooping is bad...I'm sorry, Duncan...stupid grey wardens and their joinings, who needs them?"

 

Perhaps if there's another battle of Denerim, Drunk Alistair can take up a shield in its defense, but not as a warden or king.

[Master Warder Z_]

He should still be a wandering drunk who claims he was a Prince, if he was made as such due to DAO.