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[von uber]

Right I am sure this has been discussed before (I posted this before in the Liara megathread but no-one really answered)..

Miranda says it took two years to rebuild Shepard. The wiki says 'The exorbitant project took 2 years and over 4 billion credits to complete.'

Jacob says Shepard has been dead for 2 years and 12 days, and most of that was on an operating table (pics a ME2 prologue on youtube):

 

 

So this implies that Shepard was floating in space for around 12 days to to say two weeks.

 

However we know that the Shadow broker hired the Blue Suns to recover the body and sell it to the Collectors. We know the hilarious japes Liara got up to recover the body and give it to Lazarus.

It can be inferred that the Blue Suns are only likely to turn up after the escape pods of the Normandy are picked up and the Alliance (or whoever) has done a sweep for any survivors.

 

Lets assume that it takes a day for help to be mobilised and arrive; two days sweeping the area and leave on the fourth.

We are down to 8 to 10 days tops for the Blue Suns to arrive, find the body, put it in case and start the whole redemption shenanigans.

 

However. Redemption has Two turian brothers and a batarian heading towards Omega, are discussing their asari passenger, and comment it's been a month since the destruction of the Normandy and the disappearance of Commander Shepard.

 

So now we have a Shep who took two years to rebuild, has been gone for two years and 12 days; yet it is at least a month until Liara begins to look for the body.

 

Is this just another case of massive internal inconsistency and I should just forget it with

 

[DeinonSlayer]

Imma gonna go with

[themikefest]

I wonder if Jacob meant that Shepard has been in Cerberus hands for 2 years 12 days.

[AlexMBrennan]

The explanation you are looking for is the concept of significant figures - when I say "Two years" then that does not mean "63110000s and not a moment longer" but anything between 1.5 and 2.4 years. 

[von uber]

The explanation you are looking for is the concept of significant figures - when I say "Two years" then that does not mean "63110000s and not a moment longer" but anything between 1.5 and 2.4 years. 

 

It has to be less than 2 years and 12 days. The figure of '2 years' could have leeway, it's not going to be a year and a half because you would say '18 months'; and the shorter the timescale the more ridiculous Lazarus gets.

And genetically perfect clever Miranda would be more likely to be exact in her timescales.

[Bob from Accounting]

...How in the hell does someone saying Shepard was dead for 2 years and 12 days imply that Shepard was floating around for 12 days?

 

Are you somehow thinking that someone saying 'two years' has to mean exactly 730 days? Because that's just silly.

[Iakus]

The answer, of course, is

 

"A biotic did it"

[von uber]

 

Are you somehow thinking that someone saying 'two years' has to mean exactly 730 days? Because that's just silly.

 

Not exactly no, but certainly not 16 months. the shorter you make Lazarus the more ridiculous it makes it; don't forget this was probably written before the whole Redemption arc. So 2 years as a guide I think is fine, given Jacob knows that it is 2 years and 12 days exactly.

What is odd is that the Alliance or whoever didn't look for Sheps body floating around in space (no planetary impact, Miranda mentions that the injuries are deep space exposure in one of her audio logs).

[Bob from Accounting]

Are you incapable of basic math? How in the hell did you come up with '16 months'?

 

Your own post says it's at least a month until Liara starts looking. Okay. I'll be generous and say it takes a month and a half. And say it takes her another month to get the body to Cerberus.

 

That's 22 months. 22. Not 16.

 

Is this just another case of massive internal inconsistency and I should just forget it with ?

[DeathScepter]

I head canon the Alliance being stretched thin after the Me1  in which why they couldn't find Shep.

[von uber]

Are you incapable of basic math? How in the hell did you come up with '16 months'?

 

Your own post says it's at least a month until Liara starts looking. Okay. I'll be generous and say it takes a month and a half. And say it takes her another month to get the body to Cerberus.

 

That's 22 months. 22. Not 16.

 

Is this just another case of massive internal inconsistency and I should just forget it with ?

 

16 months was in reply to the it can mean anything from 18 to 24 months.

Taking into account the fact that Shep is killed a month after the Battle of the Citadel in 2183, then the whole of ME1 and ME2 has to fall within a relative calendar year (as T'soni takes out the Shadow Broker in between August and December 2185).

Therefore running ME1 and ME2 together along with Shepards death, they have to fit within 8 months. ME1 > Death a month later > 2 years and 12 days > ME2 > Liara takes out the Broker.

So either Lazarus gets reduced a lot (which is unlikely), or ME1 and ME2 take place in a very short space of time. Which could be possible.

[Bob from Accounting]

Where are you even pulling this reasoning from? Why do ME 1 and ME 2 have to fit within the space of eight months along with Shepard's death?

[von uber]

It's quite simple. ME1 takes place and concludes in 2183. Shepard also dies a month after the end of ME1. ME 2 takes place and concludes in 2185. Liara takes on the Shadow broker between August and early December 2185, which imlpies that ME2 and perhaps Arrival are concluded by then (the dating of Arrival is problematic, will get to that in a bit).

So we have three years total. We lose 2 years and 12 days as Shepard is dead, plus a month post ME1. This leaves 10 and half months. Liara acting between August and December removes, say, another 2 months (being generous). This leaves 8.5 months time allowable (assuming ME1 starts bang on january 1st 2183) for the whole of ME1 and ME2 to take place.

 

It gets worse if you consider Arrival taking place after ME2 (logically it would) as if Shep leaves it until December, then it only takes 6 months for the all of ME3 to occur and for the Reapers to occupy the entire known galaxy, which is a very short amount of time. Therefore Arrival has to occur earlier, which potentially shortens the time of ME2 even more.

Basically to fit in everything - ME1, 2 and 3 in four years, of which 2 are discounted due to death is stretching it a bit. The Lazarus problem is a small part of it; the only hard facts we have are 2 years and 12 days of which Shep spent the majority on the operating table. I guess the key word is majority, this could be 13 months - it also doesn;t account for how long Shep is in storage whilst they get the rebuilding job into gear. However, the shorter you make Lazarus the more ridculous it gets to bring somenoe back from the dead that quick. Unless TIM has a 'bring people back form the dead' lab set up just in case.

 

You could have worked this out yourself using your powerful intellect, rather than just jumping straight into sniping argumentative mode.

 

Oh and it's maths, short for mathematics; not math. Math means nothing to me.

[Lawrence0294]

My dear fellow you are proabaly looking too closely at this.

 

But my best guess is that its simply a small inconsistency in time. Remember that we are talking about a time established my a comic book. But that is a very small inconsistensy, i honestly think it doesn't matter much.

[von uber]

Possibly. More interesting than yacking about bloody Liara again though.

[NeroonWilliams]

This thread has been entertaining.

 

It's always ridiculous when David is the SENSIBLE one in the argument.

[fhs33721]

Do they even use the earth-time measuremant? If I remember correctly, in one of the novels it is mentioned that there is some sort of univeral galactic time measurement, that is different from our system. Maybe they are using that one?

 

 

What is odd is that the Alliance or whoever didn't look for Sheps body floating around in space (no planetary impact, Miranda mentions that the injuries are deep space exposure in one of her audio logs).

 

What exactly is odd about that? Why should the military waste resources to find some worthless flying carcass in the vast depths of space? In adittion its in the terminus systems, which aren't exactly the safets place to begin with. Seriously do you expect the alliance to swarm the area with search partys and risk starting a war with the terminus systems for a stupid piece of dead meat?

[Bob from Accounting]

It's quite simple. ME1 takes place and concludes in 2183. Shepard also dies a month after the end of ME1. ME 2 takes place and concludes in 2185. Liara takes on the Shadow broker between August and early December 2185, which imlpies that ME2 and perhaps Arrival are concluded by then (the dating of Arrival is problematic, will get to that in a bit).

So we have three years total. We lose 2 years and 12 days as Shepard is dead, plus a month post ME1. This leaves 10 and half months. Liara acting between August and December removes, say, another 2 months (being generous). This leaves 8.5 months time allowable (assuming ME1 starts bang on january 1st 2183) for the whole of ME1 and ME2 to take place.

 

First of all, you're counting the '12' days twice. You say we lose half a month for those 12 days plus however much time it took for Liara to recover the body. No. Whatever time it took for Liara to recover the body includes those 12 days. So you only count it once.

 

Secondly, what do you mean by 'Liara acting'? Liara acting to get the body? Two months is too high of an estimate. Even one month is a bit generous.

 

So if we fix those two errors, yes, that means, ME 1 and ME 2 have around ten months in which to take place.

[von uber]

Liara acting to take down the broker.

[Bob from Accounting]

...During ME 2?

[von uber]

No, read the timeline. Between august and december. If that is during me2 then it gives me3 6 months to happen.

[Bob from Accounting]

FFS.

 

Are you talking about the events of Lair of the Shadow Broker? Is that what you mean by 'Liara acting'?

[Village_Idiot]

This thread has been entertaining.

 

It's always ridiculous when David is the SENSIBLE one in the argument.

 

Sad but true. Is this a bizarro-thread or something?

[von uber]

Not really, no. It's just pointng out the odd timeframes the trilogy exists in for all the events to happen.

[Display Name Owner]

I don't know, but I'm nicking that picture of Jacob.

 

I could just call it an inconsistency, but tbh 2 years and 12 days might well have just been the amount of time Shep was on a Cerberus operating table. The attack could have taken place a month or two beforehand, there's no point having everyone exclaim "Shepard? But you died 2 years and 2 months ago!".